president of the house democrats. well i think both benefited you know i think certainly the democrats were looking for sideline as a key figure to come forward and help give testimony that would fit their theory of the case and i think they got that in part during the testimony throughout the day but i also think that you have some some issues with what's on leno's and what he observed and in my experience larry when i presented a case a criminal case which this is make no mistake it's an accusation against the sitting president of crimes that have been committed. by having having a witness you know you're going to get good and bad but what you hope is that that particular witness has information and knowledge that's going to satisfy the elements you have to prove. to you read. i think we learned a lot from someone's testimony i think one of the big takeaways is something that

he said more than once which was and i'm quoting now everyone was in the loop and he said it more than once and he's talking about that what he's saying is that this wasn't some you know bunch of rogue actors who you know got engaged in something fishy he name names he said that this wasn't a back channel it was the channel it involved the president the vice president the secretary of state the chief of staff the president's personal lawyer this was everybody from the top on down who were engaged in a coordinated corrupt scheme that we are learning more and more about so this was i think a devastating turn. for publicans for the president but a really positive development for people who want to know what went on in this corrupt scheme of things going here a lot more about it. he was a good witness. i think he was he was a witness that i think has credibility and that's always

a good thing i watched the testimony you know i appreciate my my colleagues you know representation is that this this proved to be devastating to the president i don't think that's accurate i think let's look at the facts when you pressed him when when witnesses pressed him if you going to name names the most important name is the president's what did he hear from the president and it's quite difficult to say and when i presented a case to the grand jury for example if i didn't has statements of the actual defendant that supported especially in a case of bribery especially in a case of quid pro quo now is it fair to suggest that other people could be speaking for the president it is except remember someone's testimony in which he did have a conversation directly with the president unlike then unlike some of the others he had he had a conversation directly with the president. which the president indicated after

being asked the question what do you want from ukraine this was a moment the president could very easily give what he wants and he indicated he wants nothing he wants him to do what he said he would run on he doesn't want to quid pro quo if i'm presenting that to a grand jury that's devastating for my case if i hope to get an indictment. jay you want to come and also then i want you to comment on. the shore so to speak to what my colleague just said. i i think that that piece of the testimony the way that you described in his testimony is a little bit misleading look if if i you know tell somebody go you know go into this this bank and take all their money under threat of violence but don't rob the bank just go in there take the money i've still asked you to rob a bank you can say no quid pro quo all day long but if you're saying hey i'll give you this if you do me a favor that's a quid pro quo that's bribery that's extortion that's it when we're talking about.

about vin min. i thought that was a really extraordinary piece of testimony i thought that he was extremely powerful in the way that he described what he knew what he learned what was troubling to him as a person who cared deeply about this topic and who knew about this topic and his assertion that you know i'm going to be fine if i tell the truth i thought it was. very poignant very apt and and frankly gave me a lot of hope and hopefully will help to inspire other people who are coming forward and telling the truth and telling what they know jake. let's be frank always spinning wheels they're going to gun them teach him the senate is not going to convict him is that a fair statement. i think it's hard to make predictions until we've been through this process i think you know when we did this with with president nixon it was

hard to know until much much further down the road that the tide was going to turn i think what you are seeing from democrats is a very sober approach to this process and i think we are getting the facts we are getting that the president was not interested in corruption writ large he was interested in the appearance of an investigation into a company connected with hunter biden and we heard that from vassar song and we've heard that from other witnesses it's very clear what was going on here and republicans have gone from saying there's nothing inappropriate here to well there's no quid pro quo to well or quid pro quos really all that bad for a commander in chief and maybe it's ok if the president does what he wants but the reality is that this is not acceptable conduct from any commander in chief it's not acceptable for president trump would have been acceptable from president obama it won't be acceptable for president warner president biden or anybody else in the future and we need to draw that line and republicans need to understand that when

they open the door to this kind of conduct they're opening it for any president down the line and that's to keep them up at night brett wouldn't be all be helped with some testimony from john bolton. but i'm also one that doesn't look lightly on. trying to get around privileges or rights that are important i never took i never wanted that as much as i wanted a conviction in a case if we back up larry want one thing you hear i get concerned when we when we think one side of congress is so much better than the other side of congress there is fist pounding there's bluster there's there's attempts to fit testimony into a narrative no one has testified that they have firsthand knowledge of the president indicating us remember that of the president indicating an inappropriate demand upon ukraine the president of ukraine has indicated he felt no pressure

someone today the witness that is so devastating as they say to republicans and to the president indicated it was his perception these are issues that as a prosecutor are red flags and we're no longer in just the realm of politics we're in the dangerous realm and my colleagues said it what about the future going forward the democrats 6 months ago nancy pelosi and others indicated they wanted impeachment only under the circumstance where republicans and democrats were were offended by the conduct of a sitting president and pursued impeachment that has should not have changed it has changed among the democrats and they are pursuing this and have opened the door you and i both know what this will mean if they impeach this president regardless of getting a conviction in the senate for future presidents when the republicans for example

take back the house and i'll be right here with us saying i don't want to see political games when they're in charge either jake. yeah i just think that we need to have a clear standard of what is appropriate and what is not and there is no universe in in which what president trump has done what the people below him have done everyone from the vice president to the secretary of state to ambassador silent to everybody up and down the line in which they have done anything appropriate here this is this is cut and dried this is the definition of a quid pro quo of extortion of bribery and look when you are dealing with a power differential like that of you know between the present united states and the president of ukraine and you're saying well the president ukraine says he's not under any pressure he's standing there in the shadow of russia on the one hand and the united states on the other both of him both of them telling him to keep his

mouth shut and he's supposed to step up and say yes i'm terrified of both of these countries yes i'm terrified of of the united states of the leadership of the united states yes i was threatened he's not going to do that and no one's going to do that but what we're hearing is a very clear representation of inappropriate conduct at the highest levels of u.s. government and we need to be able to stand up and say that this is no ok and the fact that you haven't had a lot of republicans stand up and say what we're hearing is really concerning is an indictment not of the democrats for not making this bipartisan but of republicans who are hearing the same information that the rest of the country is the same information that the rest the country is and the rest of the country is judging as inappropriate and republicans are saying you know what i can live with that but i don't think the country should live with that question brit why did why did. joe biden's name come up at all. well there hasn't been testimony that joe biden's name

came what there's been testimony of as. the company the hunter biden was involved in came up and i think you raise a good point larry keep in mind there hasn't been an identified democrat challenger to the president and i'm not here simply blindly defending the president but if i utilize the standard that jake is applying and many of my democrat colleagues are applying in this instance lose that case and i certainly would be presenting a case that is evidence of fish and probable cause reasonable suspicion whatever standard you're using the evidence is sufficient it's ok to criticize president of the lewinsky for you know. confirming the same message as the president but i don't look at that in a vacuum i also look at the testimony of the key witnesses that the democrats have paraded out and not one of them has any evidence that they have firsthand knowledge

of that they heard that they can identify that the president was pressing and appropriate for your investigation and exchange for some jager hope you had to agree to come back it's been very enlightening have. great great to be with yeah more politicking after the break. there and slow motion and lights. you know world of big partisan lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that

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hawks. love them back to politics in less than some time now as someone who knows the says he introduced articles of impeachment against president george w. bush's denizen to senate former u.s. representative to 16 years from ohio candidate for the democratic presidential nomination in 20042008 he joins us from cleveland then as was your reaction to the public testimony gordon someone well you know it in a way it's been conflicted you know when he 1st started talking to congressional investigators he said one thing he's in a way he's been on both sides of the fence the question is whether he had a direct phone call with the president on the issue of a quid pro quo so i don't know i think it's still up in the air my concern is that you know what this is really about is the president's ability to set policies with

respect to russia because you've got the cia in an unprecedented effort to try to use their power to knock out a president and you've got the democrats setting what i think is an unfortunate precedent in the case of president trump they're lowering the bar for impeachment it's good this is going to haunt vice president biden it could go out hillary clinton and others very destructive it's horrible for the country we have a hyper partisanship right now the things that need to get done for the american people people people you know are concerned about their health care about more jobs repairing the infrastructure taking care of the education of our children they're concerned about peace the environment is the issue we're squandering time let the people make the choice in 2020 larry and they will do that so you think this is really going nowhere. well i mean politically it's it's repose in the.

country but let's look at the numbers in the house to the democrats have the votes for an impeachment of the president trump they probably do do they have the votes there in the senate no so where's it going what you're doing is you're causing the americans to turn against each other. everywhere you go there's arguments about this i mean we need to remember who we are as americans we need to find those things that can unify us again yes we have a president who's been divisive i got that i don't know larry he's you know he's he's he's not somebody i'm acquainted with other than what i seen as we all have an a media but i know the country and the country wants a government to try to get past the partisan differences and do something and right now we're squandering time where we're losing

a lot of opportunities to address some of the big issues of our time particular with respect to the environment i fear for future generations. and their and their lives if we don't start to use this valuable time to come up with ways of of averting a catastrophe with respect to the global environment let's go to some other bases what did you make of what president obama said the other day issuing a warning to get to progressives with the left urging them to steer center. well you know i used to. have to defend president obama people would call him a socialist and i would say people who call president obama socialist don't know anything about socialism or president obama president obama came to office with the help of wall street he helped to facilitate. through cooperation with john mccain and and and president bush the bailout. you know the

while street made out ok after the melt after the subprime meltdown main street not so good you know here in cleveland ohio we had tens of thousands of homes that were in jeopardy because of the practices of the banks. i mean frac obama has an approach to politics which is you know i suppose for the most part fairly mainstream but the big vision that people assume that he bring to the presidency was not followed by a commensurate course of action such as you know we could have we can look back in history and look with half f.d.r. now granted at one point you don't have the senate but you know for a while you had some votes you could've done something and. living under fortunately i think he lost some opportunities and we say that he disappointed you . assess and whether disappointed me or not i mean he and i worked together on

a number of things we didn't work together on a number of wars but. the democratic party needs to unify we have a party that's fractured it and it's an association of different groups that really need to have more in common and find their commonalities and this would be a good time to start to do that but not just to rally in opposition to the current president but to rally and proud for the proposal of the future of the country and for all americans whatever their party years so i am. you know i'm not particularly happy at seeing this polarization in this hyper partisanship i think what we have larry is a breakdown of the 2 party system and we could see in a future election more of an independent force rising up in america kind of claim the mantle of the people while their 2 parties are arguing with each other what do

you think going trump will pull troops out of syria. i have agreed with that look i was opposed to the u.s. policy of basically funding a lot of these disparate groups who came into syria from all over the region to try to overthrow the government in the stablish a caliphate in damascus. that was wrong wrong wrong and you know i think that's another reason why president trump is under attack because there are people who have a vested interest in the continued instability of the region and usurping the government in damascus now you know to me that's not what america should be about we shouldn't be looking for dragons to slay around the world we should be focusing on this country and in our needs in this country and not on trying to knock

off governments and various parts of the world that that was never the intention in the formation of this country and we need to get back to some basic principles of what it means to have a nation state of instead of this knocking heads as as partisans further dividing a country where you know there's there is believe it or not an underlying unity in america i saw it when i ran twice. and i see people are looking for ways to close ranks as americans again instead of you know going through this on and on and on people just you know vilifying each other based on political party or what your opinion as to be at the moment that's not good for america we need to remember who we are as americans and look at our basic values that brought the country to formation and just stop this this incessant hyper partisanship do you see any candidate and you know party for next years that can bring that about.

i don't know i mean i i think we have to see the process play itself out there's a lot of good people running i know many of them i wish all of them well i just i think it's going to depend on how they respond to the american people's needs in particular you know i i helped write the bill in the house for medicare for all john conyers and i were together we introduced it and others picked up on versions of it i mean health care is a transcendent issue in american politics and democrats are split on that some have thrown right in with the ranks of the insurance companies but at least you have bernie sanders and to a lesser extent elizabeth warren who are doing everything they can to keep medicare for all out there as a possibility and you know the money's there in the system larry you know we're already spending money to have everyone coverage just about $1.00 out of every 3 almost one out of every $3.00 least 30 percent goes for corporate profit stock

options executive salaries advertising marketing the cost of paperwork you know we could have the health care system american people need but you know if you have democrats who are already taken a position of no that kind of fracture within the party takes us away from the potential we have to unify people in a presidential election. does that mean that you would sounds like you would support a warm. no i haven't indicated a preference and it's right so i know you know i either have met or have no or know most of the candidates at some point when the race comes to ohio where i am i may have something to say but i think that more than me the candidates need to just need to grow the issues and let the people know what they'll do if they're if they're elected and i think health care is like one of the irreducibly important

issues for the american people as well as the environment these are things that i want to hear from people and i want to see the debates sort out the differences will in the candidates will ohio 'd decide on the next president. yes i think that i think very much so isles will continue to be a pivotal state and you know i'm certainly someone who's very concerned about which way ohio is going to go and and i'm concerned that the democratic party that i'm a member of is going to produce a candidate in a platform who will be able to attract people and give them a reason to vote democratic do you think you know senator some of the brown should have jumped into this. well you know he had a very good record with labor and i think that people were hoping he would get in but he took a look at the field and decided that it wasn't going to be his time but you know he certainly has a record in the senate that would have recommended him in this field what do you

think of him. i've known sherrod brown since 197172 we go way back and you know generally speaking we've been on the same side. ok do you think your own party will defeat trump. that's not a given that at 2020 is very much up for grabs i don't think that with these impeachment hearings that the democratic party is helping itself in the 2020 alexion i think they're inadvertently. helping to rile up trump's base and it may they may look back at these days and in a year and say what were we thinking. it's going to be a tough race and it's going to come down to states like ohio and michigan and wisconsin and pennsylvania. the race is still up for grabs there's nothing nothing

for sure about this 2020 race we're heading into larry dennis thanks so much is time today always love talking with you well you know what it to me wow i'm on. king thanks a lot dennis goosen it's we thank him we thank you for joining us on this edition of politicking remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me at kings things but don't forget to use the politicking hash tag and that's all for this edition of politicking.

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