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which essentially has serbs croats and muslims as the dominant national ethnic groups must remain in place of the record more often the main question is if a large yugoslavia could not survive in the cold how could a small yugoslavia survive they were not prepared to cope. with somebody is not recognized by the agreement were formed for such as the peace implementation council one that is not only dayton accords. it has taken over the decision making process on the part of the international community in relation to bosnia and herzegovina. and it introduced a special way of governing in the last 15 years the neighboring the investor the of the countries of that council to meet in sarajevo and decide what to do most in herzegovina. that was done by introducing a new system of government for. their children or we call that system and equip them better. there is nothing like this in the world but we're told it's been 24 years after they went was signed. the international community remains
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here the world order they have not dismantled the dayton accords enough to destroy the subjectivity of republicans who voted to usually agree that is why the high percentage is still here as well. 33 just like 25 years ago the issue of nato when it comes to determining the future of this region washington is adamant that wasn't in her its government but it should activate the membership action plan for it. and if your public stance is the only reason it hasn't happened yet but why do you object. you would wish over no money i mean i'm on the idea of egypt now and i will continue objecting talk to a lot of republicans serbska the everyone agrees those in power and their position which we must not become a nato member under any circumstances our reason is clear nato bombed pretty public
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a service not to be bombed using depleted uranium munitions. or throw that still is killing our children today. nato bombed serbia. nato was starting our nation huge material damage and killed many people. will be remarked if we decided to become a nato member but what we would give it a moral right to believe that it did the right thing for moral stand this way we would betray the memory of those who died as a result of. a new corporate bombing operation was called the angel of mercy can you imagine that we're not on or. another important point of course is the fact that serbia were and as the home country of my people has established a policy or military neutrality and republican is following that policy or. we do not want to line or even the balkans which is now formally border to be
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strengthened and kept in place we wanted to disappear. secondly the more if we made the decision it would have to spend twice as much money as we spend today in our armed forces. that would be a blow to our economy we're not in our state budget do not true that would mean no more than we have to buy military hardware and weapons exclusively from nato countries. because only one of the reasons from you to say but all possible ways of becoming nato member would definitely lead us into the situation room and we will lose our political autonomy yes can you weeks ago there were hearings held in the united states congress with a new very interesting title successes and unfinished business and finance in the western balkans. you name came up a lot just as which elena got mentions mostly in a negative context as the main obstacle to progress but truly no that leaves me
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just a bit different and she used to be quite well in washington right madeleine albright spoke well of here. all this. has changed. circumstances do you think that you might do more than the criticize in order to take care of their so called on thing ishe business and the western balkans progress through reform because we saw what kind of progress that was so that with our own eyes being bombed here. i think we should start with a lot of the united states was almost the only superpower in the ninety's had to go to. you know if for but through i was elected prime minister that was a very important step of the proof and we got a lot we were in total isolation put on as the previous leader of republic of recorders. put on trial that it your story we were completely isolated surrounded
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and probably as we saw it later moved along we were in the plans for destruction real never possible meaning of that word but it put them out of. me of course my role was 1st try to open up people because serbs as much as possible at that time made sense to sort things out and work with americans of americans from what i did throughout not so the time we really expected to find a service would become their contract and what do you claim and their plans of dismantling it because serbs go without rather a venue where confirmed through that has changed they're going about through 5 local political landscape has changed i mean it's a global note today that america is not of what used to be 10 years ago. on a woman our own dr i'm just trying to be realistic and go up to what under out alito really ask me to accept changes to the constitution and make republicans serbska numb to shelter but if i did not agree to that ground that is one that
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misunderstanding started to direct we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments and. what politicians do. put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be present. to write to the press it's like in the form. can people get. interested always in the waters of college. there should be more.
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up and finding another school interesting account sway or both assume. the benefits of mukti about. closing this way got sued out so hard luck the thing and the mother disappeared this is the work of that hour and i don't mean to start then if. this is the only thing that we do is music because everybody fights in his room wait. until. the floor lukens off the 50 will sound is worthless woody allen area you have a whole movie of it at the top of the payment on the. what i think is this is the funds that is a constant. was
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in the european space. what do you say that still whatever realistic prospect. no documents as the need to is the lobby leading to the european union today when the 5 you countries are not made to members. it was only because of the west's pressure that the eastern european countries actually joined on a. they did it to get into the e.u. sooner. today. we have separated these 3 issues. and the e.u. membership talks today. at least as the e.u. says it's. you don't need to be a part of nature to have these storks. and that makes the situation room way more simple. the european union is full of internal problems the latest messages that have come out of those about a large moment and enlargement negotiations with old banyan are now macedonia they
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have significantly harder mind our confidence in this whole process has never been an association based on equality and everyone is supposed to follow instructions coming from brussels or if they have internal problems and they themselves say that until they solve them any large amount is impossible so clear messages have been sent to us that we need to look after ourselves here to believe in ourselves infusing hasn't for the european union has significantly weakened not only more of the story that it was standard 15 years ago so i can give you any estimate you have a hard sell of us press it appeared like to ask you about that. then. that you spoke of warning. they were not given the green light for membership talks because a man around the front objected to it saying that reforms should come 1st and only
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after that might anyone be invited to the negotiating table in your opinion can be an honest demand and that is this is a pretty good on the eastern european countries being deceived then ian off mess dounia agreed to become nato members. and has conducted the necessary reforms for and even changed his official name. government had to pay a high price for that despite all that the 2 haven't been given what they're seeking not. significant price. mccrone has been talking a lot recently making many promises were not he's trying to secure a dominant position in the e.u. that is what we think emerged from the reason for that is that the u.k. is leaving their much course in germany will be without an important leader such as merkel next year. or. in any case would work i think we should remember the story of nato and the 5 nonny nato countries in europe when it is true
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that they have promised negotiations to not and most don't in this country has entered this difficult process of changing its name to dawn and of course obey any and it approaches but in the past it was very easy to give it any promises given the strategic opposition. that this. could be very new cannot just like me that the 2 countries are moving towards a nato awarded but i believe that this will be very difficult considering the european union position not only. not so the process is not the same for everyone. new toyota from the most need to come from a position of force and this is not easy for us from europe here we are little country warning for us is difficult to face such an enormous political military conglomerate and to push our independence through nirmal as well as our identity but here we are showing that this is indeed possible previously you said that
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oftentimes become a topic of conversation in the u.s. congress they say that i am an obstacle in the way of progress it is really incorrect to claim that progress demands on one person only on it's almost impossible would it's not logical it's not true. and yet the congressmen say that that's the usual way of doing things for the united states does the government doesn't like it puts the blame on the one person only in order to break them and the u.s. is doing that to me i'm aware of one example is the fact that i have been blacklisted by the us administration if anyone asked me how i feel i would say that it is easier for me that way because i don't have to interact with the american so often now. but once i'm here now let me ask you personally to themed question. i know the president mccrone triggered wave of resentment when he called boston in herzegovina ticking time bomb on the contrary and him being friends now.
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by definition. turning given time. say or do you think that your country as it is today just. a route into war which unfortunately has already happened here before you did that it was. definitely story and old enough i'm definitely convinced that there is no conflict about to happen here but i cannot rule out the possibility of a terrorist threat from a grown considering what mccrone the himself spoke about a book or a bush then on the it was said that many people from france have gone to fight for the slum mixtape but if you and people from bosnia went there to fight for. you not even one serb left and not even one. moslems
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did. i mean the radical ones and they could be seen as a real terrorist threat to bush and bush has already today in bosnia from their own muslim communities where is based on. it's being promoted and that it could be a very dangerous mix if combined with the problem of those fighters who are returning from syria boy you really need to take care of that. when you add to that one part of the islamic community you saw the religious islamic community from serbia most of their ready to lies to officials. and others who provide the basis for such sentiments that we must not rule out the possibility of terrorist attacks by these very individuals or not but that could be just as dangerous as any large scale conflict with a lot. richer richer rather well for over a year now has been in the governance crisis it's been basically para lost that the 2 entities of the country have been unable to form
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a central government that isn't the reason for that and the political or even the joke only to. games around. talked about previously knicks are trying to internationalize the problem of herzegovina once again the generation of those politicians who stood at the helm in brussels and washington at the time of conflict are leaving. they thought were due to the public a serbska should move towards need to. be other ones who don't want to change nato . for us was not negotiate. they knew it and that is why they say you're not going to move to nato reform no government will be formed and i said ok you're not going to move towards nato and we will form a government one year after the elections you do know is that you have no elected government at the level of bosnia and herzegovina no more room to pick one i cannot really say when it will finally happen what is certain is that we cannot accept the
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membership action plan. b. which just difficult to avoid cooperation was needed at least in some way we do not want to start membership because she ations and that's what they are trying to impose on us in brussels and elsewhere natal is saying that it is not going and republicans serbs. are throwing spokes in the well. i said well republicans serbska isn't sitting idly by as far as i know the parliament discussed a possible referendum in nato membership last week not in addition you are known for openly advocating for the complete independence of your country russia is what comes 1st for us to become fully independent not the war voice becoming in the 2 men the room you know they want to look through we're not taking any action on independence but republika srpska does not rule out such a possibility. for example if you were to vote in
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a referendum on republicans and asked for or against republican could be an independent state. according to all the polls that we have you know there were 3 as well as the foreign ones over 82.2 and 83 percent of people would vote for an independent country. that is a considerable number. of the number one story is that the west maintains that bosnia and herzegovina should be good through and that is you know to introduce a one man one vote system throughout bosnia and herzegovina for liberal societies in the west record this is understandable given the fact that there are 3 constituent nations that are leaving here that have their rights given to them by the constitution in force today and put us through this very difficult to expect list to be enforceable through my muslim and they stop with that kind of story they want the muslim bosniaks or in absolute numbers the majority to be given the
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country or at least a way to you before you would become a minority that is something we cannot accept a force and for these reasons the public in a public prefers the story about status after all what we should not be forgotten that with serbska was formed with the aim of 9 independent reward you know and after 4 or 5 years accepted an international agreement of the high degree of autonomy to know that it only has been substantially corroded over all the stein by the high representative we have very dissatisfied with the worst we are not in the position to decide where we figure who decided to remove we would not state imposed in herzegovina not even for a 2nd. quite often vilified called one of the kremlin's puppets. that the russian way on trees that is currently more active in the balkans that it was say 15 years ago that to be perfectly honest i don't always fully understand the gills of russia's foreign policy in the region is this something you dislike
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about russia's presence here. russia is acting correctly in the region. russia is here to help you bomb which not to lecture anyone on how one should behave in the political arena going to throw anyway it's a completely different approach. have always had a special place for russian army. they know which in the west are very well. today . in the west preventing their frustration was rochelle me and its economic growth and growing just potence by talking about that going to the bad russians will influence here in the balkans but in fact the only bad influence here is the one coming from the west. the west that has broken our political and institutional will to get what it wanted to achieve its own political goals that we don't be russia has never done that. when it got any we're talking about russia. i have talked
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to president vladimir putin many a time is a thing can put you know there has never been a single request we could be in there is always one question of the problem how can we help coming from russia who would be what. has refused to give its consent to bosnia to impose sanctions on russia at the risk of folk but only for mostly end up where we have a disruptive effect. if you knew going in the west with a neutral bridge will they consider this as an order from russia political points not an order you have never talked about it was i've led him a put an already one else. russia understands opposition and the context in which we act and we're going about as in a little whether they like it or not who is really more we want russia to be powerful and strong and we rightly expect understanding in the system was on the issues where we are at loggerheads with the west itself. when the europeans or the
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americans talk about the balkans feels possessive says they have a claim and they learned that i think it's not us then it's russia or turkey or even china they say it's almost like afraid someone else will come and take it that are your thoughts you also seem to talk about the balkans as an object rather than an independent actor in a global politics do you personally find this offensive in any way is there a game or pro that's how they just defy their actions we hear from others that we need to talk about europe and america think that they could come here was a stake they don't ruin the man things from us that of course you go to go would never work 20 years ago it would have a broader natures presence here was very strong there were 60000 nato troops in bosnia and herzegovina of course nato could dictate the policy they failed to break the will of people back then it was people why do they think that they can
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change it now when everything has changed in my opinion balkans will organize themselves in the future as for the mandarin they like to say that they are definitely that if we take history no more use for it nothing is definite. but in any case you or i believe the things will have to be resolved in the balkans by organizing countries with one dominant nations were going to end this way it will be possible to define the balkans permanently as for the attempts to preserve these multi-national communities as they are as they try to preserve bosnia and herzegovina or to one of these or terms are doomed to fail. through what they seek also has the right to secede and that serbs are now a minority there that's all they basically have serbs in kosovo becomes were taken out of the state of serbia and now that telling them to stay silent because they a minority all that is certainly not going to contribute to the solution of the problem. it is something that has proven to be historically unsustainable the will
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of people isn't viable one day that will is going to prevail in the west see thoughts i mentioned russia and turkey who have historically had their interests in the region in the but often times conflict in interests. over the past 10 years we can see as in the case of syria. can reach compromise beats with difficulty when it comes to a 3rd party and its terror trained to believe the balkans could benefit in any way from this experience being a problem. for me when the relations between turkey and russia deteriorated because of the downing of russia's plane or was syria. but economy of turkey experienced a very serious problems. later on america and europe tried to pressure. did not undermine turkey's economy. russia's actions did though.
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i think it is good that turkey and russia copyright today. it also means that we can count on some greater understanding here. because before turkey only supported the bosniaks on the muslims there. were good relations between turkey and russia could help the balkans and that's quite natural. i think that this cooperation that turkey and russia have today are a very good example of how things can get normal. but this does not of course rule out these basic political problems more of a post or you know the basic political problem here in bosnia herzegovina that serbs do not think that will mostly inherits a government is their country the problem. serbia is our country. so are the republicans serbska remains committed to certain amee reporter go through the best possible relations with serbia. we do not. you want to do any harm to that wasn't
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it was what your model smudgy bosniaks must learn the bosnian herzegovina is not there it's for all of us here inside that country and there's republika srpska is exclusively ours and when they learn that lesson then we will be able to copy rate almost idiotic we have to leave it here thank you very much for your time. this conversation going in our social media pages asked for me and the team we hope to see you again same place same time in a while the part. time
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