bo's'n in herzegovina i quote an absurdly created state still you're living within the framework of this agreement this point another day tonic or it's doing republicans serbska more harm than good. there is no doubt that bosnia and herzegovina was an experiment it goes up at the top when the dayton accords were adopted and that experiment of the main idea was to create a perfectly normal society of democratic principles from a conflict ridden society all out of the blue. of course this was not possible so if you not want to democrats in the former yugoslavia mostly in her to govern i was said to be a small yugoslavia because the relations of the same people who remained in bosnia-herzegovina were the main problem in the former yugoslavia you think. for serbs croats and muslims were the dominant national and ethnic groups in yugoslavia and then suddenly at the end of this process of the dissolution of yugoslavia someone powerful in the west sad that bosnia which essentially has serbs croats and

muslims as the dominant national ethnic groups must remain in place more often the main question is if a large yugoslavia could not survive in the cold how could a small yugoslavia survive or not. somebody is not recognized by the agreement were formed for such as the peace implementation council it is not only dayton accords. it has taken over the decision making process on the part of the international community in relation to bosnia and herzegovina. and it introduced a special way of governing in the last 15 years the neighboring the invested this of the countries of that council to meet in sarajevo and decide what to do most in herzegovina. that was done by introducing a new system of government for you know what the children all call the system and who are the best. there is nothing like this in the world. but we're told

there's been 24 years after they went was signed. the international community remains here the world out of they have not dismantled the dayton accords enough to destroy the subjectivity of republicans who voted to assure that is why the high percentage is still here as well. 33 just like 25 years ago the issue of nato when it comes to determining the future of this region washington is adamant that wasn't in her it's government but it should activate the membership action plan for it and if your public stance is the only reason it hasn't happened yet but why do you object. to woodridge over number on a minimal ideologic now i will continue objecting talk to a lot of republicans serbska the everyone agrees those in power and their position which we must not become a nato member under any circumstances our reason is clear nato bomp republican.

not to be bombed using depleted uranium munitions both or through that still is killing our children today. nato bombed serbia. nature was starting our nation huge material damage and killed many people. would be remote if we decided to become a nato member but what we would give it a moral right to believe that it did the right thing for moral stand this way we would betray the memory of those who died as a result of. a new corporate bombing operation was called the angel of mercy can you imagine that. not on or. another important point of course is the fact that serbia were and as the home country of my people has established a policy for military neutrality and republic has served because following that policy or. we do not want to line or even the balkans which is now formally border

to be strengthened and kept in place we wanted to disappear. secondly the more if we made the decision it would have to spend twice as much money as we spend today in our armed forces but we war that would be a blow to our economy we're not in our state budget do not true that would mean no more that we have to buy military hardware and weapons exclusively from nato countries. because only one of the reasons for me to say but all possible ways of becoming nato member would definitely lead us into the situation room and we will lose our political autonomy. a few weeks ago there were hearings held in the united states congress with a new very interesting title successes and unfinished business and finance in the western balkans. you name came up a lot just as which elena got mentions mostly in a negative context as the main obstacle to progress but truly know me just

a bit different about that and she used to be quite welcome in washington right madeleine albright spoke well of here. wallace but what has changed. or maybe these circumstances do you think that you might do more than the criticize in order to take care of their suit and thing nish business and the western balkans progress through reform because we saw what kind of progress that was saw that with our own eyes being bombed here. and i think we should start with a lot of the united states was almost the only superpower in the ninety's to go to . you know. i was elected prime minister that was a very important step out of the political lobbying we were in total isolation but i was a previous leader of republic of serbska recorders and other put on trial but it us

we were completely isolated surrounded and probably as we saw it later. we were in the plans for destruction or never possible meaning of that word but we put them on over. me of course my role was 1st try to open our people because serbs as much as possible at that time made sense to sort things out and work with americans of americans from what i did put out there so the time we really expected to find a service would become their contract and what do you claim and their plans of dismantlement because serbs go to the trouble of going to where confirmed that has changed. through 5 lobel political landscape has changed to i mean it's a global note today that america is not of what used to be 10 years ago. when our own dr i'm just trying to be realistic russia would go up in one doubt to leave really ask me to accept changes to the constitution and make republican

serbska an empty shell i did not agree to that but and that is one of the misunderstanding started to direct we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments. a reflection of reality. in a world transformed. what will make you feel safe. isolation unity. are you going the right way or are you being led some.

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children tell them with all this you can tie one next time you don't come fall through the marketing. welcome back to worlds apart and in boston is served later in the ad thought it smells of nato membership is usually a prison. a step one joining the european union. and we know you envisage triple serbska eventually becoming part of a common european space. what do you say that still whatever realistically prospect

. no documents that need to is the lobby leading to the european union. today on the 5 you countries are not new to members. it was only because of the west's brush that the eastern european countries actually joined on a. they did it to get into the e.u. sooner. so they. have separated these 3 shoes. and the e.u. membership talks today. at least as the e.u. says itself you don't need to be a part of nature to have these storks. and that makes the situation room way more simple. for the european union is full of internal problems the latest messages that have come out of those about a large month and enlargement negotiations with old man here and you know macedonia they have significantly mind our confidence in this whole process has never been an

association based on equality and everyone is supposed to follow instructions coming from brussels i think they have internal problems and they themselves say that until they solve them any large amount is impossible so clear messages have been sent to us that we need to look after ourselves here to believe in ourselves infusing hasn't for the european union has significantly weakened not only more of the story that it was standard 15 years ago so i can't give you any estimate the all of us press it appeared like to ask you about that. then. north message that you spoke of. they were not given the green light for membership talks because a man around the front objected to it saying that reforms should come 1st and only after that might anyone be invited to the negotiating table in your opinion can be

an honest demand and that is this is a pretty good on the eastern european countries being deceived away any enough mess dounia agreed to becoming a to members. and has conducted the necessary reforms for and even changed his official name. government had to pay a high price for that despite all that the 2 haven't been given what they're seeking not. significant price. of corn has been talking a lot recently making many promises there were no use trying to secure a dominant position in the e.u. that is what we think emerged from the reason for that is that the u.k. is leaving there much coarser in germany will be without an important leader such as merkel next year. what will. in any case would work i think we should remember the story of nato and the 5 nonny non-native countries in europe when it

is true that they have promised negotiations to northern most of. that country has entered this difficult process of changing its name to dawn and of course all brainiac in the past it was very easy to give it any promises given his strategic position it. could be very new cannot or does likely that the 2 countries are moving towards a nato awarded but this will be very difficult considering the european union position not on or. not so the process is not the same for everyone. new toyota from the most need to comes from a position of force and this is not easy for us from europe here we are little country warning for us is difficult to face such an enormous political military conglomerate and to push our independence through a new man as well as our identity but here we are showing that this is indeed possible previously you said that oftentimes become

a topic of conversation in the u.s. congress they say that i am an obstacle in the way of progress it is really incorrect to claim that progress demands on one person only on it's almost impossible would it's not logical it's not true. and yet the congressman say that that's the usual way of doing things for the united states does the government doesn't like it puts the blame on the one person only in order to break them and the u.s. is doing that to me and i'm aware of it one example is the fact that i have been blacklisted by the u.s. administration and if anyone asked me how i feel i would say that it is easier for me that way because i don't have to interact with the american so often now. but once i'm here now let me ask you personally to themed question. i know the president mccrone triggered wave of resentment when he called boston in herzegovina ticking time bomb on the contrary and him being friends now. by

definition me and i won't. turn in given time. or say or do you think that your country as it is today just. a route into war which unfortunately has already happened here before you'd have thought it was just which alice doesn't address the we don't know the number i'm definitely convinced that there is no conflict about to happen here but i cannot rule out the possibility of a terrorist threat from a grown considering what himself spoke about it occur. to us said that many people from france have gone to fight for the slum mixtape but if you because some people from bosnia went there to fight for. you not even one serb left and not even one. moslems did. i mean the radical ones

and they could be seen as a real terrorist threat to bush and bush has already today in bosnia from their own muslim communities where is based on. it's being promoted and that it could be a very dangerous mix if combined with the problem of those fighters who are returning from syria boy you really need to take care of that. when you add to that one part of the islamic community if not the religious islamic community from serbia most there ready to license officials. and others who provide the basis for such sentiments then we must not rule out the possibility of terrorist attacks by these very individuals or not but that could be just as dangerous as any large scale conflict with a lot. richer richer rather well for over a year now has been in the governance crisis it's been basically para lost that the 2 entities of the country have been unable to form a central government that isn't the reason for that and the political or even the

joke only to. games around. talked about previously knicks are trying to internationalize the problem of. the once again the generation of those politicians who stood at the helm in brussels and washington at the time of conflict are leaving. they thought of the public a serbska should move towards need to. be other ones who don't want to change nato . for us was not negotiable. they knew it and that is why they say if you're not going to move to nato reform no government will be formed and i said ok you're not going to move towards nato and we will form a government with one year after the elections you do know is that you have no elected government at the level of bosnia and herzegovina no more room to pick one i cannot really say when it will finally happened what is certain is that we cannot accept the membership action plan. b.

which just difficult to avoid cooperation was needed at least in some way we do not want to start membership negotiations and that's what they are trying to impose on us in brussels and elsewhere in asia they are saying that it is dog and republicans serbs. are throwing spokes in the will. just work i said well republican serbska isn't sitting idly by as far as i know the parliament discussed a possible referendum in nato membership last week not in the edition you are known for openly advocating for the complete independence of your country russia is what comes 1st for us to become fully independent not the war avoids becoming in the 2 men in the room you know they want to look through we're not taking any action on independence but republika srpska does not rule out such a possibility there today for example if you were to vote in a referendum on republicans and asked for or against republicans serbs could be an

independent state. according to all the polls that we have you know there were 3 as well as the foreign ones over 82.183 percent of people would vote for an independent country. that is a considerable number. of the number one story is that the west maintains that bosnia and herzegovina should be good through and that is you know to introduce a one man one vote system of bosnia and herzegovina for liberal societies in the west 3 cause this is understandable given the fact that there are 3 constituent nations that are living here that have their rights given to them by the constitution in force today in a very difficult to expect list to be enforceable through my muslim and they stop with that kind of story they want the muslim bosniaks or in absolute numbers the majority to be given the country or at least waiting a bit where he would become

a minority that is something we cannot accept a force and for these reasons the public in the public prefers the story about status after all what we should not be forgotten that we serbska was formed with the aim of 9 independent reward you know and after 4 or 5 years accepted an international agreement of the high degree of autonomy to know that it only has been substantially corroded over all the stein by the high representative we have very dissatisfied with the worst we are not in the position to decide where we figure who decided to remove we would not state imposed in herzegovina not even for a 2nd. quite often vilified called one of the kremlin's puppets. with russia what a concrete that is currently more active in the balkans that it was say 15 years ago to be perfectly honest i don't always fully understand the goals of russia's foreign policy in the region is this something you dislike about russia's presence

here. russia is acting correctly in the region. russia is here to help much not to lecture anyone on how one should behave in the political arena going to throw anyway it's a completely different approach. have always had a special place for russian army. they know which in the west very well. today. in the west to put their venting their frustration was rochelle mean you know it's economic growth and growing just. by talking about that going to the bad russians or influence here in the balkans but in fact the only bad influence here is the one coming from the west you know the west that has broken our political and institutional will to get what it wanted to achieve its own political goals but we don't be russia has never done that. when it got any we're talking about russia.

i have talked to president vladimir putin many a time think we'll put you know there has never been a single request we could be in there is always one question with the public how can we help coming from russia who would be what. has refused to give its consent to bosnia to impose sanctions on russia at the risk of folk but only for mostly end up where we are a disruptive factor. if you knew going in the west with a neutral bridge will they consider this as an order from russia political points not in order you would have never talked about it but i've led him or put an already one else secure of the mirror and you know russia understands opposition and the context in which we act and we're going about those in a little whether they like it or not who is really more we want russia to be powerful and strong bromo and we rightly expect understanding in the system was on the issues where we are at loggerheads with the west itself. when the europeans or the americans talk about the balkans feels possessive says they have

a claim and they learned that i think it's not us then it's russia or turkey or even china or saudi arabia they say it's almost like the afraid someone will come and take it that are you thought you also seem to talk about the balkans as an object rather than an independent actor in a global politics do you personally find this offensive in any way. is there a game or pro that's how they just defy their actions we hear from others that we need to talk about europe and america think that they could come here was a steak you don't really demand things from us that of course you go to go would never work 20 years ago it would have a broader natures presence here was very strong there were 60000 nato troops in bosnia and herzegovina of course nato could dictate the policy they failed to break the will of people back then it was people why do they think that they can change it now when everything has changed in my opinion balkans will organize

themselves in the future as for the mandarin they like to say that they are definitely that if we take history no more storage nothing is definite. but in any case you or i believe the things will have to be resolved in the balkans by organizing countries with one dominant nation and this way it will be possible to define the balkans permanently as for the attempts to preserve these multi-national communities as they are as they try to preserve bosnia and herzegovina or to one of these attempts are doomed to fail. they seek also has the right to secede and that serbs are now a minority in their lives so they basically have serbs in kosovo becomes were taken out of the state of serbia and now that telling them to stay silent because they a minority all that is certainly not going to contribute to the solution of the problems. it is something that has proven to be historically unsustainable the will

of people is inviolable one day that will is going to prevail in the west see thoughts i mentioned russia and turkey who have historically had their interests in the region and the but often times conflict in interests. over the past 10 years we can see as in the case of syria. can reach compromise beats with difficulty when it comes to a 3rd party and its terror train hard to believe the balkans could benefit in any way from this experience being a problem. for me when the relations between turkey and russia deteriorated because of the downing of russia's plane or was syria. but economy of turkey experienced a very serious problems. later on america and europe tried to pressure. did not undermine turkey's economy will show russia's actions did though. i think it is good that turkey and russia copyright today. but it also means that

we can count on some greater understanding here. because before the only supported the bosniaks on the muslims there. are good relations between turkey and russia could help the balkans and that's quite natural. i think that this cooperation that turkey and russia have today are a very good example of how things can get normal. but this does not of course rule out these basic political problems more of a poor story a number of the basic political problem here in bosnia herzegovina that serbs do not think that will mostly inherits a government is their country the problem. serbia is our country. so are the republicans serbska remains committed to its autonomy reporter go through the best possible relations with serbia. we do not. you want to do any harm to the bosnians which your model smudgy bosniaks must live but bosnia-herzegovina is not this it's

for all of us here inside that country and that's republika srpska is exclusively ours and when they learn that lesson to knowledge is then we will be able to cooperate on mr doughty korea have to leave it here thank you very much for your time our viewers can keep this conversation going in our social media pages ask for me and the team we hope to see you again same place same time on a while the part. of .

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