and we're just getting more good that. they stabilize the global economy you need to protect yourself and get in for. a low and welcome to crossfire for all things considered i'm peter lavelle trump on hong kong protecting democracy or more meddling in the internal affairs of china also can nato as european members reimagine the alliance and more terror on the streets of london.

cross talking some real news i'm joined by i guess robert bridge he's an r.t. website writer also we have dimitri bobbitt she's a political analyst and editor at innocent me internet media project and in london we cross to marcus papadopoulos he is the editor of politics 1st magazine our gentleman cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let's go to marcus 1st in london let's talk about. the trump administration's agreement with at least tacitly to sanction. china over what's going on in hong kong when there's something i just don't really seem to understand i mean and looking at hong kong i know that there's an enormous amount of inequality there that is the responsibility of the hong kong government and it's a one country 2 systems so why all the arrow at beijing and of course we know the united states is cheering it on along with its western allies. as an irritant to

china go ahead marcus your thoughts well peter anyone curious oshea if pikelets or for can concludes that what is happening in hong kong or indeed what has been happening since the summer is concerted it is well planned and is exceedingly well executed and it is only possible true this holds of special services then we have to ask which special services in the world of holland it will work or you merely need to do is look at the some cool protests in hong kong and in my opinion they are no longer protests as they are militants look at the flats they are waving they are waving american and british so let's look at the answers they are singing they are seeing in the american and british and from look at the support the political support they are now cities in thrall america this

week we had donald trump sign in seoul all. package which condemns china and risks american tariffs because of the so-called ritesh and in hong kong so it is my opinions that american and british services are tense in to the stabilize destabilize not right yes no it hong kong is a big revenue and for beijing well i hope so but mostly you know what it's like not at all what is happening here is that they are hurting themselves hong kong and in the process here deem one of the interesting things is that if you look at the media you know its all about democracy or yes but why are they waving a british colonial flag there was no democracy in heart in hong kong under british colonial rule what are they talking about or is i just a talking point obviously this wasn't the right kind of colonialism it was buying.

born in the middle not russian colonialism of spanish colonial but i just love this you know in their. drawing though you know 1st they describe their peaceful protesters who were just staying in for their freedom so then just the next paragraph or the police collected contraflow more difficult to hold out baskets of premature weapons including sleeve insurance balls with their office and clearing the wreckage with the contents of people that you know so you know the western media controls are the peaceful protesters or do they have contracts of more difficult it's the same story as with tea you know that the western media wants to have it both ways they want to intimidate the government doing to me did the population and at the same time to have this image of purely peaceful protests which is one of the interesting seeing robert i think it is fascinating again looking at the through the media prism you would. if you would get the impression

that hong kong and china are 2 different places you would get the impression that hong kong is not part of china and that it's a narrative a media narrative that is being pushed this is an internal affair of actually china well if you look if you look at the at the end china legislation the trumpets pushing through it's very it's very ironic to me that one of them is that it bans the export of non-lethal munitions ok so we're talking about tear gas. tasers pepper spray ok so it's interesting to me that these are the exact type of weapons that the western governments regularly use against their own people i mean notably in paris for example in paris france what's happening there we had a visit of those protesters i mean people having their eyes shot out with rubber bullets ok so. when the west when the west does something like this this is fantastic it's the protection of democracy but when china does it here we have you know grave human rights violations but i just love that you know that off president

trump when these bill i signed this bill was out of respect for the president see china that people can call well you don't. see is interesting because it's so. i'm not really sure it's even hypocrisy and i think it's going to look really good but you know but markets mean this is clearly an attempt to create a hostile relationship with beijing i mean this is something it was a unanimous decision in congress here i mean again this is using sanctions as a political weapon and and it's baiting beijing to do something they want something to happen so far nothing has other than some rhetoric coming out of beijing what's the gambit here go ahead mark. well it's not just hong kong that is on the radar also the americans and british there is another region it's all china that

in my opinion we go truly constitutes an achilles heel off china and that is the western most region of china it's a largely speak in muslim and how it's region cooling down jean jacques campaigns that this is a region but i have been talking with russian officials and chinese officials for about 5 years now and it's my conclusion that jim shank not at the moment it's henschel it could become what chechnya was to russia in the night of the ninety's and early 2000 and believed in wounds because we're starting to read now in american major and in british major these completely malicious and outrageous and unfounded allegations that the chinese authorities assets are concentration camps in gene shank know what the situation is in ships and is that it is i hope it's serious limits on to mentalism and the chinese military and the

chinese police are cracking down as they should be but of course we know that the americans and the real cajun siege accumulation this is something we have seen before this is another playbook here there's a go ahead jim i'm going to jump in well it's amazing that the western press itself report that several years ago or that the so-called islamic state was actually active scene jack and in other mosque and we know that people from that region are and were in syria would be the same story with burma you know when it happened when there were problems with them or the minority that but it's very interesting you know they say go with liberalism formally it's about all been border you know supporting internationalist spirit kind of but where they fight their enemies and these are usually big countries such as russia china. immediately they pick the enemy it's you know their neighbor or that mine or it gets inside this congress and the west supports what kind of crude national going to say action of yugoslavia

which actually knows a lot about the idea of a croatian fascists against serps ukrainian polish nationalists against russia now more than fundamentalist against china so it's one of them mazing traits and latent features of these noted that if they're not going to liberate it using into all others in the name of human right back that's the coverage that it had on hand and internationalism in the name or walk. i think you pretty much covered them above one thought one thing i think that needs to be added is that while the west while the united states and nato through many decades of the regime change operations you know we are investing our money in what war ok what was trying to investing in to do so the new silk road to the west is invest in besting in war for outcomes it cannot control markets reflect upon that because i've said on this program 10 years now is it when does the regime change operation

actually bring positive results and always ans and disaster misery and destruction go ahead marcus yes it does and the latest example of spots is in ukraine where the average ukrainian innocent is now suffering in. place to place its 6000. ways and death and destruction it always benefits american global and germany and this regime change the straits by wilson said it's not going to men's bolivia is the most recent example that i can cite who might want to mark as you would aren't you nice very very often agree with each other and i would i would meet you halfway on that. it had gemini is extended for a time period but it is a very unstable had gemini deem a jump in well you're absolutely right that this is germany that benefits because

the united states as a country was financially because of what happened in ukraine the ukrainian market shrank relations with russia soured there were mutual sanctions between the united states and russia so basically the western globalists there rigged to move their taxpayers' money in huge amounts all need to have the little you have to measure money do you think they did and they may properly it's with the owner and nurse money also well with concord what is interesting is that the market did not react to this so called hong kong. freedom and democracy act they almost didn't but i threw in a really refused to even use the term ok let me repeat so or will you keep finishing. the markets did not react but the point is that the states government now will have to make a report every year how autonomous hong kong is so this is bad for business because

it's not of their business comment on it was from corn is now it's it became a part of china basically there is a transition period there is free press in there are many anti chinese newspapers coming out of south china morning post you know hong kong free press there in english there are available bill there were elections recently so it's not of the business of the united states all of the you can to check how democratic well. fortunately world the world works differently when we go to a break here after a short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stay with her thing. nothing. but good luck.

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welcome back across like we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind we're discussing some real names. ok let's go back to marcus in london we have an upcoming nato summit it's been truncated for to 2 days i guess they want to avoid any fireworks they wanted to have a perfectly scripted summit as they usually do but it seems to me that there are different. trajectories in play for the possible future of nato now one thing is for sure nato needs to exist it exists to exist that is its primary objective and to do that it needs to expand but mccrone the part of french president came out and said that nato was brain dead which of course i very rarely agree with the french president but i agree with him on this point and i tend to agree that that's donald trump's gut feeling too but that's a tough a topic for another program marcus brain dead nato go ahead well you know i

would want to say nothing more than to note this decadence this terrorist this wretched criminal organization cools coast abject pain and suffering for over 20 years now but whilst i believe that nato has overstretched itself i have an expanded since reese and your i haven't expanded into the old 6 states i do not see its imminent demise indeed i don't see the wise ass so i believe that if you just look at a map with your stats that ukraine as each state goes into great seeing more and more with the west make that name. so it is even more important in court to get struck forget boris johnson get maps wrong the real people in power in america

britain and france are the ones you don't see and their commitments and they cannot be a challenge it cannot be broken we spoke recently about the amounts of money the american support in secret since the coup in 2014 and yes you know that money has gone on ukrainian corruption but the americans get something in that so they are increasing their presence and with it nato is present in ukraine the americans and not just axes in on the ukrainian lands they are active now at ukrainian holes they are challenging russia in the black sea and the ultimate price for nato is ukraine's accession and it's an ok the aussies are good people. but it's possible it's it's it is possible be a member but i tend to think if you look at what. was coming in was coming out of berlin it was coming out of paris i think there's some different ideas being

thought of here i mean mccrone it seems to me wants to recreate some kind of napoleonic empire ok or is someone on cross told means must weak as it once they're essentially sell the french military to the germans ok but at least a capital b. in paris but the brain dead in statement is important here because it does show a different vision here well i'm i'm not really sure if it's going to work i know that there mccrum wants to be another de gaulle which there's only one to go and only i will be only one to go on the air but i mean even the there are the poorest isn't in washington the you know the the this is the land tick alliance world but there are some new things happening right here because there are tensions over the most interesting thing about this statement from mark wrong about the brain death of nato. their reaction to it how in total agreement need to lead us are you know chancellor merkel of germany you said you want your destructive policy and they

have to glue together they will look at what she did in ukraine ok so why is she an authority on anything the absolutely well the polish prime minister there was more advanced also scolded micron you know saying that he statement was irresponsible i mean look how intolerant these people are and they accuse. everyone was angry because marc wrong invited the leaders of kurdish groups you know to paris he was also angry because lindsey graham in the united states is facilitating their visa for someone whose real name is up dish and he in but who is called general called bani by by the u.s. well i mean how would you react if someone who is can see that a terrorist in your country is welcome to you but by the president do you bring up these inconvenient you know what my point is here is that the media is projecting this seamless unanimous. blah blah blah you know but you just

in a few seconds you get you gave us some real differences here there is a fish should between turkey and the rest of nature there is a fish to be in france and germany and east european countries or the other side but what is most important i agree with mark was you know what he said in the beginning that nato has caused more wars recently than it prevent it i mean the wars in ukraine in georgia i ask andrea real foreign policy expert he will tell you the real reason the real reason was the decision to expand you know war georgia and ukraine were promised nato membership in 2000 immediately was started in these countries why because this is unacceptable for russia and because these countries leaders felt kind of. odd. you know robert let's be fair here and maybe marcus will disagree with me during the cold war i and i understand the need for

existence of nato during the cold war the warsaw pact dissolved nato should have dissolved is absolutely you know very knowledgeable about all of this here but if you look at you know george in ukraine i mean i think most americans don't understand people in the western world don't understand that the west has no treaty obligations to ukraine whatsoever but as marcus told us a few minutes ago you would know that from the media and from the the clueless bureaucrats that went in front of chairmanships committee for him only material kind of the role of what are we doing how can i get a saint in my mind you know but you know it gets down to no matter how you want to spin it its mission to exist is an anti russian expression institutionally no absolutely and i would i would probably argue that it's less the nato is so-called brain dead as it is purposeless dead i mean purpose dead there just doesn't seem to

be any coherent activity on their part action aside from what you're saying peter is just moving closer and closer and closer to the russian border and preventing and promoting provoking the situation provoking you have this is the 1st time in i don't know how many years. the western troops have been right smack on russia's border this is a tremendously dangerous thing and a kid the slightest little altercation could really and we have we have a windy and rainy and trying to reach out but he won't have pressure in washington and in in the political satirist really encamp not to move forward georgian president saakashvili he would have never backed off if he didn't feel reassured a few months before that in the nato summit in bucharest when they said georgia will. joy in their alliance you know distant future we don't know where he is he's reading all that signal was. not waken stuck to war now i can crush these

separatists you know so in this way nato provoked more conflicts in the last i would say 10 to 15 years than it actually. marcus i want to switch gears here the recent attack on london bridge which i think should outrage all of us. i can't even use the language on this program to express my outrage here is a man that was convicted of being involved in a terrorist operation had his sentence have to in released because he was rehabilitated how can people be real ability to when they have contempt for your institutions and their culture how can you how that happened this is an outrage because what i see from the british elites in the media that people should be given a 2nd chance fine but victims only get one chance please reflect upon that and to i think i'm my tone and tenor are correct here go ahead mark. hater london

has a cancer and has had this cancer for many years now and that chance is violence not just in the form of terrorism islamist terrorism but also in the full night crime and gun crime and despite that what do we hear from the mayor of london city car what do we hear from these so-called human rights groups all we hear about other lots of perpetrators other white soul terrorists other lots of people who commit not crimes are the rights of people who commit gun crimes other the rights of people who for passes in people's faces not just at night in broad daylight and even though once again we london has experienced a number of horrendous terrorist attack no steps are going to be taken in large measure because of political correctness and this problem is not going away it is

costing the lives of innocent londoners while i would like to hear from my men because i live in london what i'd like to hear from this human rights groups is how the ordinary man and woman as our in london 8 protect it from terrorists from gap and culture from people from an assett impedance faces i don't want to hear about how in schools children from the age of 5 must be taught because it's a human rights that if they don't feel like a boy or they don't feel like to get out they can go to many consenting lunt that may have sex shane and the others there is and 1st thoughts as you are carrying out these operations on children as young as 10 commits in order to use this is what this is a big this is what this is about this is an attack on our culture is what it is and it's people taking advantage of one of our greatest virtues. through the centuries

is our tolerance but it's been trampled upon 30 seconds 30 seconds go absolutely i mean what's happened in london what struck me about this attack is that the 1st thing i read was that the perpetrator was shot dead by 2 police officers. i found that i kind of ironic that england is letting in all of these unrestricted immigrants into the country ok but yet they're not letting the people protect themselves and it seems to me that pretty soon people are going to start saying hey if you're going to let all these people into our country unlimited without any restrictions let us have let us arm ourselves ok well at least don't let the criminals out of prison or out of prison like that it's outrageous here finish up the program i'm kind of angry well there is also a huge discrepancy between the 4 important shielding within france and the terrorist threat i mean. president townsell it was never involved in any terrorist acts in england or france russia was never in what iran was not involved in the

last at least 20 years but all we have seen in the western media is how bad also this how bad russia is how but iran is so there's a huge discrepancy in the people who could meet that crime stereograms in paris and london for against the you know the ones who made that wrist act in the bottom one so i think this is the most absurd you know that's a very good point to end this program here and i hope people reflect upon it that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london thanks to our viewers for watching us here on d.c.u. next time remember. you know world a big part of the law and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we

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