them that uses spatial recognition and to help prevent persons attempting to progeny use us travel documents and identify criminals and known or suspected terrorists the d.h.s.s. is proposing to amend the regulations to provide that all travelers including u.s. citizens may be required to be photographed upon entry or departure. yes because remember kiddies in a surveillance based police state every one is a suspect needless to say the american civil liberties union has a few issues with the idea that u.s. citizens could soon be forced into facial recognition programs just for visiting on hell good munich jay stanley a senior policy analyst at the american civil liberties union told tech crunch quote time and again the government told the public and members of congress that united states citizens would not be required to submit to this intrusive surveillance technology as a condition of traveling this new notice suggests that the government is reneging

on what was already in sufficient promise which is not surprising given that the u.s. government's history of making promises to respect our privacy is about is it's about as trustworthy as your boyfriends but delany while vacationing in bagus over super bowl weekend and we all know we cheated and that my friends is why we must always be watching the whole us. like you know that i got. this. welcome everybody to watching the hogs i i wrote them for and joining us today to discuss homeland security his new love affair with facial recognition technology is

legal journal and stan contributor contributor to america's lawyer with might happen tony of the fantastic molly boils molly always a pleasure thank you. thank you all right so is this new push by the d h s to implement facial recognition technology and u.s. citizens entering an exit in the country was it do you think was ultimately inevitable i mean were we always going to end up in this direction because that's just seems where our government wants to go. i think that's exactly right this department is for pres facial recognition checks for all people now traveling in and out of the united states including as you said u.s. citizens not just foreigners not just visitors and this is new but as you said it probably was something they've been wanting to do all along you've seen other law enforcement agencies already attempting to do it there's a $1000000000.00 in fact set aside for the f.b.i. to build a data system and we'll talk about that a 2nd but before this particular proposal citizens had been exempt from those

mandatory checks no no no we're not going to scan your face but now they want to scan your face homa security as you know responsible protecting our borders controlling immigration and they say this is needed and they've already been using it more and more to catch visitors travelers who are leaving the country who have overstayed their visas and now they want to expand it to u.s. citizens coming and or going so we'll see you know if this is going to get a lot of public support there are already quite a few people that are concerned about the violation of civil rights but he wants to have facial recognition scanners at the 20 largest airports in the u.s. by 2021 so this is part of that plan to implement those scanners and how they want to implement this plan is to basically cast a scan in blanket if you will and scan all of our faces as we come and go catch the new potential criminals and to me this is one of those like classic triple critical belt effect things you know it's like oh it's just for you know people you know foreigners entering the country and foreign travelers oh now it's just u.s.

citizens entering and exiting the country from overseas and soon you know at the rate they go it'll be 0 if you're crossing state to state you know if you're traveling from wichita to minneapolis guess what good where does the u.s. citizens right to privacy now larry when it comes to patient recognition technology does our constitution protect those from a or have they moved past the constitution this point. i think that they want to debate the constitution is what it boils down to so in order to really answer your question i got to talk a little bit about how this all works and essentially they use what you talked about those bio metrics and they want to compare a fair picture that they like they say they scan your face if you're leaving or coming from an airport they want to compare it to a picture they've already got on hand like a social media picture or government issued id a state driver's license a mug shot something like that and then they use specific memory 'd measurements like the distance between your eyes the width of your nose your jaw and things you

might not nestle want to know about yourself but they want to know because they take that they compare it to known picture and to find a possible match so are you who you say you are do you have the right documentation is there anything that they need to know about you it's basically how social media companies tag people in photos so when it's used scientifically with these standards they get a pretty good accuracy rate in 2001 police in tampa used it for the super bowl but guess what they found is that you know if they can control it to a photo that also previously existing photo that also had those same sort of controlled environmental measures if you will then then it works out pretty good but if they're comparing it to an older photo that maybe didn't use those same metrics are not so sure and that's what they found in the super bowl in tampa they did find people that maybe had some outstanding warrants but they were petty criminals and they also had some mistaken identity so there are some issues with the technology which also plays into concerns about your constitution and it's just

one of many concerns when it comes to civil liberties as you mentioned the american civil liberties not at all happy about this. you know they they basically said that people have a right to privacy and you know you're talking about the 4th amendment at that point if you walk into a public place you expect that you know you don't necessarily want the government knowing all of your business you have a right to privacy but there is some case law that says that faces are public that when you're out and about putting. face out there it's public however you know it goes back more there's also some concerns about the 1st amendment you know is this going to be violating people's rights from that perspective as well so while the technology is not available for public use that's another reason that they're saying this could potentially have some. constitutional concern so again simply have a live civil liberties union saying the government has reneged on its promise not to target citizens they say that they are going back and violating their constitutional rights again talking about their privacy and concerns again that it's a violation of the 1st amendment you have

a reasonable expectation of privacy big can you expect that to be applied. especially if the if there's still some bugs in the technology that's being worked out exactly are you bringing somebody great point smally i want to ask this to one of the dangers we a little bit time with one of the dangers of using facial recognition and other biometrics beyond just the legal and constitutional implications you know and i'm thinking specifically of like how many times have we seen government agencies like the dia just get hacked mail and then suddenly about information becomes in hackers hands. yes that's a very real concern and you've got everyone from the american bar association to the american civil liberties union raising these exact same questions and concerns you know it's interesting when you had the freddie gray death in baltimore there was a lot of controversy around that roland because he was a black man that died in police custody and there were riots in the streets so police used facial techniques facial recognition technology during those riots and

they managed to identify a number of people with outstanding warrants but would they have necessarily been arrested if they hadn't used that technology and you know law enforcement will come in and say it's an effective tool we're getting better with technology all the time we're working out the bugs the f.b.i. is getting a 1000000000 dollars to create a database so they can make these comparisons more accurately but the bottom line is they're still getting your business it's the same is like running a red light they take a picture of your tag you know sure you might have run the red light or come close to it but there's a there's this. is that really breaking the law no one was there to see it not to say that people are it's important to be safe it's important to recognize potential terrorists or criminals that are coming or entering coming into or leaving our country but the average citizen being subjected to this sort of invasion of privacy or perhaps inconsistent technology that is what civil liberties folks are up in arms about they say this essentially reneging on the government's promise to uphold their constitutional rights and they're just basically moving towards

a police state and that they're concerned exactly what i'm going to say thank you thank you so much smaller burrows for coming on you are absolutely fantastic in the job that you do down there and keep up the great work and always a pleasure and we come back again. thank you. all right hawk watchers i bet you cannot guess what is so important that the united states government just butt $22000000000.00 on it take a guess student loan forgiveness and public housing construction come on how about how some approved highway or high speed rail projects $22000000000.00 so really the answer is no to all of the above instead we spent $22000000000.00. to clear powered submarines yes 9 with an option to buy a term for just the paltry price of $1800000000.00. money well spent here is our to the american side of the story. general dynamics has received

a $22000000000.00 contract from the u.s. navy to build 9 nuclear powered submarines over the next decade making it the largest contract in the services history now the actual deliveries of the submarines are scheduled to start in 2025 with an option for a 10th submarine for an additional $1800000000.00 now wood said steve virginia class submarines apart is that they're designed to a tag of land and sea targets with tomahawk cruise missiles and other weapons they're also known for their speed stealth maneuverability and advanced technologies used for intelligence gathering these submarines can event generate their own water and oxygen and can stay submerged for months at a time the submarines are replacing the los angeles class of submarines which were deteriorating to replace retired versions of the cold war era submarine already 18

of the attack submarines have been delivered to date including a $700000000000.00 for the prior installment which at the time was the navy's largest contract these massive contract also comes just months after the head of the u.s. . maybe in the pacific warned of a massive chinese naval build up and it's troubling getting enough submarines to counter it in fact call schuster a former director of operations at the u.s. pacific command joint intelligence center said quote this deal marks a u.s. navy's latest respond to china's growing military power and aggressive actions in the western pacific experts say the u.s. is facing on precedented pressure in the press if it largely from the chinese navy that has been making huge leaps in the numbers and quality of its submarine fleet beijing's force is also expected to grow with china in the next 5 years expected to

roll out their version of the advanced nuclear powered submarine now the u.s. navy told congress earlier this year that the submarine activity by the 3 u.s. adversaries in the pacific with china russia and north korea have increased threefold since 2008 congress however announce that only half of the submarines that the u.s. navy demanded would be authorized in washington site haven't gerard t. . all right as we go to break or watchers don't forget to let us know what you think of the topics you've covered over social media be sure to check out watching the hawks the podcast which is now available on spotify applebee's because everywhere you listen to your favorite or not so paper prague coming up this week leaders are beating the market for their 70th anniversary nato but many are around the world are asking if the organization is even relevant to today's world of politics either it was the institute of public dr sam saving our t.v.

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you know. that come with the spokesman that he's the push on the show he will ship like expose me on the shuttle to the pollution and then there's nothing. all right you'd be hard pressed to find a more controversial politically charged birthday gallow than the 70th anniversary celebration of the north atlantic treaty organization or nato that is currently taking place in london this week as the new york times reports the events for nato 70th birthday which was actually celebrated back on april 4th have been considerably toned down the times writes normally 'd the 70th anniversary like the 50th would have been held in washington where the alliances founding treaty was signed with 3 days of pomp substance and white house dinners however the times goes

on the right that given mr trump's unpredictability and his doubts about the alliance nato countries decided to have only a foreign ministers meeting in washington on the actual anniversary april in. backtalk watchers were around the campfire that this week's london get together was really only out of because apparently britain wanted to show it still mattered in transatlantic security affairs what with the whole blocks of their. talk about high school style intrigue going to global political level but where does nato stand today with the soviet union long gone the very reason nato was even created many historians and political experts around the world are starting to wonder if the world actually needs a nato including at times our own u.s. president donald trump has wandered this joining me today to discuss nato is past present and future senior analyst for the institute for public accuracy sam husseini and our producer producer to boyce of knowledge thank you both for coming on very a pleasure as always. i want to kind of start off with this and safe i want to get your initial reactions when i when i bring up medo what is your 1st initial

reaction was your 1st thought when you figured nato pretext pretext it's a pretext for intervention it's an alliance that can be utilized to go after libya . sort of go after syria it wasn't officially a nato operation but it was the us britain and france that on the false pretext of chemical weapons as documents are actually increasingly coming out from the o.p.c. w. . and a pretext of legalism in the world order when the u.n. when the u.s. doesn't want to or can't use the united nations for an operation interesting interesting the bit about you 1st thought when you're bored middle bombs but. i was i was actually thinking on the lines of fig leaf because what sam just said is all true i regard nato as more of a fig leaf of legitimacy for all of these naked imperialist projects that are

basically nato is being so used synonymously as the so-called international community which means nothing and it is not defined at all but hey you. get one or 2 or 3 or $28.00 countries to follow the u.s. lead and all of a sudden it's the international community nato it must be a legit nato something that should have ceased to exist 30 years ago while well if its stated goals were to actual goals of security and all of those allegedly good things i think looking at the current situation going forward trump has really done an incredible con i think by portraying himself in his campaign as a populist and as an interventionist and so on his critique of nato which rang half true when he said it. that you know it's obsolete and so on and so forth but the way that he framed it and the way that it's panned out all done is juice it up because he's in effect saying to the other nato members pony up you got to spend

more money buying more of our weapons to strengthen the alliance so that he can maintain this false brand of an isolationist and america 1st are while actually doing the bidding of the empire i'm never going 'd to. he didn't dismantle the american empire i mean this is much has served it up in some different ways than any other president could have done could venezuela look at cuba look at the coup in bolivia look at all of the soldiers you know get their jerusalem would look exactly so many things that no one else could have done he did what it's kind of like the nixon going to china only in reverse. only in reverse the thing with the thing with nato though is that on a certain level a certain cynical level the p more by request to pay more from european allies makes a certain perverse kind of sense because what the nato bombing what the nato war

against yugoslavia in 1009 proved is that only the us and maybe 2 other countries have actually independent military capability and. everybody else is just a hanger on everybody else is just a fig leaf everybody else is just there for the show 'd and you know send a couple of planes and a couple of troops show solidarity but they don't actually have any military capabilities now obviously from the standpoint of war and peace this is a good thing and you know people not not being able to commit aggression is a good thing but from the standpoint of having an empire and having this weapon of war and seeing everywhere as nails for that hammer to hit no it's terrible and obviously everybody needs a new look back at the original kind of idea of nato it was obviously number one was to prevent the expansion of the soviet union i mean that's what was kind of sold the bill of goods it was going to be the pretext you know we have to join all these going to use regional in 12 countries have to join us to stop the soviet union the spread of communism blah blah blah. today many kind of argue that nato

needs to be there to you know handle modern geopolitical threats like a russia or a china but what also but it's also there to prevent you know tensions rising between the countries in its charter and all of the kind of extra countries that have come along over the years is that a valid argument for nato's messes in a cessna be today i mean should should we be looking at keeping medora to something that really the world should look at and say we don't really need it it's an archaic thing from from a bygone era i think that certain people need it but for again the state purposes that they don't want to state it's a military alliance so it's not a diplomatic alliance it's not intended to further international law or anything of that sort so i don't think that any of those arguments really hold up now it has been used as we said in libya which is now in a war situated it become more of a breeding ground for terrorist operations than a bulwark against terrorism which is how mccrone in trump tower and others are

selling it afghanistan and so on and so forth so it's become a way of selling. in effect aggression or at least germany on the part of the united states i'll go step further and say that nato really never was a shield it's always been a war hammer and now the war of regional the original war it was designed for ended it's all it's been in perpetual search of neil's to hammer down ever since for the past 30 years in fact he was the 1st secretary general of the alliance a british general who said that the purpose of the alliance is to keep the americans in the russians out and the germans down well the americans have stayed in way longer than necessary the russians have stayed out without any reason and the germans are doing a fine job of keeping themselves down so really the whole point of nato is simply don't exist and the best thing you could possibly say is that it might prevent rivalry between the united states and germany or something like another right but.

you know yeah i mean there are there are jobs out there that's very obscure and are going to see that but that's but it's a pretty you know you want to do so that's really obscure thing of happening and there's a point you had a thing on earlier on the missile you know so on and i want to mean nato was the bulwark of the vote against the nuclear weapons ban treaty a couple of years ago which was you know 122 countries wanted it and it's passing through all of them i just came from a ploughshares trial in georgia where these people want to know we're pushing this they're facing decades in prison. sentencing is coming up they were declared guilty . for entering the main us facility for the trident missiles and nato members were the bulwark of the votes against it at the united states it was the us russia. some nuclear powers actually voted for it nuclear north korea voted for it china abstained but virtually all of the nato countries i think one

exception of in the netherlands voted against it so there is a bulwark of keeping in place the us dominance and threat to the world peace of its nuclear weapons that's one thing as i want to ask you. what would what would a 21st century europe look like without nato you know we kind of talk about what it was we talk about what it is today and what it's doing now what is in that we go to only a little bit of time what but what would that look like without nato i mean it could be dystopian if you got into you know you know rivalries and that alone and so forth or it could be incredibly placid and it could awaken a sense that ok let's really genuinely move towards disarmament let's you know put in place you know international also just not it's not just a fig leaf to go after africans to actually in a legitimate way apply international law and demilitarization to europe definitely wouldn't be wouldn't revert to its imperial colonial past it would probably and one of my visions anyway would would could be a bridge between the east and the west with you know the u.s.

and russia instead of being locked in the disc i'm pleased sensical great power battle over what over nothing basically having europe as a common ground cooperate but again it's what could have been and what might have been had history taken a different turn in circa 1909 history can still take different terms we all keep our fingers crossed the pieces alternately work finds its way and enough of these military alliances from the 20th century mid to late and 7 want to thank you most both for coming on an absolute pleasure to have a great conversation i will thank you. our last british things off today with a little body art watchers i know i'm no i mean from the simplest of well you know x. and ajman tattoos on a ring fingers to hold macneil but have a mix of a back tattoo we love our tattoos and apparently so did our ancient egyptian ancestors and thanks to some cutting edge new technology we are discovering that ancient egyptians were much more prevalent on our mummies than we previously

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