of law compliance means full compliance this is bill a traditional process to fool god and teasin transpired and see the government of spain will work in the coming days towards gun team public order and protecting our democratic laws as that's always done but they were mcdonald begs to differ he says the european union needs to help put pressure on the spanish government will be taking up that issue with that will that craig money later in this program and then bear for a right she says this should be followed very interesting diplomacy is the solution was not a cup of tea peace and development is what everyone wants so diplomacy and dialogue is the solution one violence is not a cup of tea or coffee and therefore is watching the show from kenya and africa now over to tie us in the 1st of our program for the catalan crisis we focused on the wives of the independence campaigners sentenced to long periods of imprisonment

these prisoners have become the rallying point of the catalogue movement in our 2nd week sport with a catalan minister whether the confrontation between catalonia and spain and maybe move from the streets to unlike in this program we examine how the movement for cattle an independent system fell it from the grassroots upwards and to explore with an interested international observer had the standoff between the spanish state and catalonia might be resolved. in many campaigns internationally starting from the anti vietnam war protests in america to current events in hong kong students have been in the vanguard of protest catalonia is no different with students from the university of barcelona can take 4 weeks in support of the imprisoned independence campaigners alex joined them to discuss their campaign. well here in the very. instead of attending to the studies the students. say the university well if you doing. well this is we're here as

a reaction to a sentencing made by the. spanish supreme court which had sentenced some of our political leaders to jail for giving us a referendum so that we could terminate our future as a people. we're going to be here until you can see what our demands are the amnesty of our political prisoners of all political prisoners. a free a dignified future and the end of oppression. and tomorrow will be a week determined to stay here. are you doing your lectures at the same time are you having discussions so as. well as a political message so of course there's a social aspect to this camp everything has

a basis in the fight that all of us here share we organize everything from. debates between the different people who are here camps to different speakers who come and tell us about all sorts of different issues we have people and talked about different ways of protecting ourselves and also we had people come and talk to us about the situation in kurdistan and south america to a different bites that are. going on. in the rest. situation and looking to the white one well we believe that our fight. is part of a more global issue. involves many other people who are also oppressed by different . that we think is important even though what we're here fighting for. is a more concrete issue but it seems to be pretty overwhelming from the young people

. they are very hopeful that they'll be a better future. and very the to stay here until the secure future. but a former british ambassador can you explain to our viewers why despite the public sympathy for the cattle and cause which is evident across many countries they've had little or no support from individual european governments or for that matter from the institutions of the european union it really has been quite striking and that there has been. very brittle support for catherine on the diplomatic front and in particular within the european union and it's been extremely striking that there has been no support for from the commission over council or parliament and particularly at the time of the violent suppression of the cattle and referendum

all 3 of those european union institutions came out in fairly strong support of the actions of the spanish government saying it was all part of the rule of law i do you think perhaps the catalans will have better prospects in the in the council of europe and strasburg i remember back in 2017 the then acting head acting president of the council me there is strong statement of condemnation of the actions of the spanish authorities might strasburg be a better vehicle for cattle on canvassing for support than the brussels struggles berger's is going to be more hopeful because of course strasburg and the council of europe are particularly tough with institutions of good government questions of self-determination and questions of of human rights so it is very much in the main and also they have no economic remit of the stability or the currency or the future

of the spanish economy is not not so much their concern so yes there will be more of the chance of eventual address from the council of europe and of course for me court european court of. human rights which is a council of europe institution not a european union institution but these things grants lonely and remember of course the government still do have great influence on many of the representatives within the council of europe so if you were advising the catalan government at the present moment or did the wider catalan cause how would you tell them to frame the diplomatic offensive to try and tighten round the shut doors of getting from morse of the countries in europe. i would tell them primarily to look outside europe i would tell them to go to the developing world the g 77 countries as we call them and in diplomatic speak and to flame. catalonians desire to independence.

in respect of the right of self-determination and to seek top the united nations of the united nations general assembly one of the relatively few crumbs of comfort that catalonia has received in terms of international support has been the refusal of a number of jurisdictions south of us the european arrest warrants that spanish government taken out against their karmas long against cloud up and sat in scotland what's your reading of the situation that know that the spanish government of come back with a new improved version of the rest one other going to get their way all the jurisdictions continue to hold out against the porting these people well i'm still extremely hopeful that the judicial systems of european states will will be business tend to be the spanish efforts because. you know plainly there beaches here of of freedom of speech of freedom the same leave it out of self-determination and

plainly spain is trying to get still more political prisoners after imposing absolutely vicious sentences on on people who are campaigning for up to terminations so you know courts tend to take more of these and a few of these things and politicians do so i am hopeful particularly here in scotland that the courts will will resist these politically motivated divest want but i will think the that i'm fairly disgusted that the prosecuting authorities who are of course much. more susceptible to political influence are taking forward the left wants to the courts at all. around here in scotland should be thinking this is plainly a politically motivated they should not be saying but with charges the equivalent of a u.k. charge of treason which is remarkable thing which for the crown here in scotland

is resting his case upon this is still a very grave and worrying situation so i mean some of the i mean the cattle out in tremendous support for the way they conducted themselves peacefully joining the 2017 what i thought end of this one the cattle and the elections for the 1st time the from arabs leading in the spanish elections in catalonia there's clearly a substantial majority in favor of a referendum if the case for independence is much more evenly divided so what exactly does the cattle and politicians to the cattle and cause do to progress their desire for a referendum well i think they have to have to keep on doing what they're doing and of course they have to be obvious that catalonia is a nation it has its own language it has its own political institutions and it has a long history of p.b.'s autonomy so all these factors they have to work upon but

it's going to be a hard road you know where they are facing state willing to use extreme violence against them and allowing no form of democratic expression so to keep to the path of nonviolence as time goes on is going to be extremely difficult for an emerging new front and the struggle for catalonia is the the social media obviously havey lee used by the cattle campaigners know that they feel according to the catalan government that the spanish government taken powers to virtually interrupt wipeout course down the internet or across barcelona what fears would you have that this might be a tactic used by other governments internationally it's quite. archival to see a european government taking these kind of draconian powers we've just seen precisely this kind of action done in iran in the last couple of weeks to stop protests there and we've seen similar things before in hong kong and other parts of

china you don't expect to see it in europe but ultimately if the spanish government is going to seek to suppress. catarrh the independence byte by means of repression it's going to have to take more and more draconian steps to crush civil societies so i'm not in the least surprised. thank you very much indeed thank you. join us after the break when alex discusses the catalonia movement with the leader of one of the grassroots organizations who provided the engine for change and the baileys probably. believe that it is and only it represents europe has long been a major gripe for russia but as the e.u. experiences significant internal difficulties it is starting to reassess what it is and what it stands for what does that process mean for the countries sharing the

continent with. ok in the special care summit we can benefit so there's so many of them yeah but isn't it also the but also if. you talk to home don't think in russia think was over forget it. but your book turned out to really accomplish for sure we have the most they are some of the muscles and good. russian ethics eligibility for the international competition says at stake this includes events like the tokyo olympics and the fee for world cup in qatar if i am in the early as last year we'll just stop here when you come in you know just as it was 4 years ago in moscow anti-doping plavix at the center of the scandal so who tampered with the doping samples database and one does greegor you want to give have to do with it and you know she's thinking it was dr paul does it mean you're not. welcome with us but

it's one that he's shown that was just blown up by to expose me in the sometimes we don't see the pollution you're doing there's no. welcome back the council on struggle for independence has had a huge garden city and to national terms but few 1000000000 to see. done the intertwined nature of the various organizations supporting a move towards independence the castle i move in is represented not by one political party but by 3 a much of its influence comes boards from grassroots cultural and citizens organizations alex caught up with ellis and a police in barcelona leader of the catalan national assembly. welcome back to the show thanks thanks for inviting me again but tell the viewers about what is a catalog national assembly that's not a parliament a grassroots organization they are some lease not a parliament it's

a civil society society organization that was created in 2012 and that has a single aim is to fight for catalan independence through democratic and pacific means and needs the ideological the diverse so we can have in. our membership leftist people all people that are more center right it's very diverse what sort of activities does the national assembly what support does it provide to the independence movement the 1st thing that we did and that was rendered darst famous west organize a big big demonstration in 2012 during the catalan national day so one of our activities is mobilizing civil society organizing large demonstrations but we've been doing many other things like campaigning for the yes to independence when we had the referendum in 2017 and also during the participatory process in 2014

so giving arguments in favor of in the pendants and we do that through also our experts economies lawyers and different experts that are also are part of the of the association so you're looking to support independence supporting can the some politicians not not just in political parties and government office but flew all the institutions of of catalonia yes because this is something that we realized in october 2017 is like the power is not only in the formal institutions in government the power and the spanish state power. has. is spread in other institutions of the civil society especially in business institutions we saw that in october when they some of these institutions participated in the fear campaign so what we said is that if we want to succeed

when we do another attempt to declare our independence and this time it has to be a definite if attempt we have to be more prepared and we have to have more power in these type of institutions. we have to these institutions shouldn't be corroborating. with the spanish power in the sense that they are collaborating in not respecting the will of the catalan people are the decisions of the catalan parliament they have to be a police neutral since we last spoke in the last year the sentences a bit handed down for the independence campaigners 9 people sentenced collectively to almost 100 years of imprisonment. what does been the impact of these draconian sentences on the catalan independence movement the society is really thought i think by this verdict and by the sentences and also the reaction of the spine is

the state by doing more repression by using. and again the police that is acting quite violently and also with prison the political repression but by sending all these youngsters to pretrial that they try again we have no 45 people in pretrial detention in jail so. the situation is quite complex and complicated now. to how does the national cattleya avoid being drawn in to claims of phials which would one of your greatest. promotional points in world opinion the speed lissa's an example like gandhi. for totally peaceful protests here it's difficult when they have just condemn the leader the former

leader of the catalan national assembly and that of another association to 99 years of jail when that what they were doing in september 2017 was trying to calm down protest and send people home and saying no no no let's stop the protests now. and they have been condemned for sedition for these peaceful demonstrations so it's very difficult. to to that the students the young people do not react to that saying oh see what happens when you do things peacefully no. the central government will and the institutions and the judge is going to come then you as if you have where had used violence you know sorry so it's difficult but we have to try we have to try to to to keep our own track of nonviolence which doesn't mean exactly pacifism is not exactly the same because nonviolence is and

their strategy that implies an action it's not doing nothing it's acting against these oppression against the state that is violating fundamental rights and trying to we can eat by acting by using sometimes even civil disobedience but under strict principles of nonviolence so we have to hold so what you're saying is that the principle of the castle our national assembly unambiguously is nonviolent . action but nonviolent action at all types yes the principle of the time and national assembly is an ambiguous unambiguously nonviolent action but you yourself have come under investigation recently as have many others in catalonia how does it feel given what you've seen happening to many of your colleagues you yourself are no under investigation for what you may have said or may not have said in

a television or radio interview they asked me if all these clashes at night were having a negative impact on the movement and i said i was trying to make a reflection so i said yes but it is true also that they make visible the conflict in the international press because the world is that the use and normally the the press at at that just more importance to negative news than positive names so i was trying to make a reflection and know i'm under investigation for having appealed to violence so these these limitation on the freedom of speech that we are enduring. must be quite intimidating for people i mean that is the demonstration of 9 people incarcerated for long sentences there's other people on the investigation that must be quite an intimidating atmosphere for people in the national movement and in

catalan yes it is intimidating we we have to deal with new experiences that trying to fight for our i.d.'s in a context of political repression. there's been news recently that the spanish government moves to have new powers to intercept social media and stop social media communication given that one of the great strengths of the cattle movement has been the ability to mobilize and organize. using inventively the social media a bigger a spread do you see that latest move aid to the way you organize it is a big spread in fact the website of the catalan national assembly in 2017 was already cut or stopped without a warrant but then as they didn't do it right we were able to recovery.

with these new decree of the spanish government no they they are allowed to do it without a warrant so it's going to be it's going to introduce more limitations to for activity because they are going to try to put you in jail for trying to make into practice these political objectives and also they are going to let me tape the movement so that you cannot spread your ideas freely to make this be a strange way an opportunity to mobilize supported and else with spain because. governments which move against the social media effectively potentially moving against large sections protect the younger population so to the social media is all encompassing in the lives of many people it wallie of the idea of governments taking a license to intercept and to and to bloat people's communications yes it's true

and this is something that really we are trying to do or like in our campaigns in to in the international arena for instance the fact that the what they did a web site for the toonami movement. in these web sites only china russia and spain have tried to block any web for being. deposited in that in that in that plays nothing to talk about of other attempts as well. a number of countries have tried you know an economist this as well as a. non party political activist. what should impression of how the cattle out economy has performed during a period of great instability can you see damage to the economy all of the upsides to catalonia being a place which is widely reported in fact we are in

a global economy and what the facts more strongly look at their own economy is the international economic context so during the period of turmoil of the catalan referendum declaration of independence and the fear campaign the catalan economy grew at a pace that was. stronger than that of the average spanish economy or even the average euro european economy. and no. and cheering as the rest of europe a period of recession probably but it's that that the fed has a catalan economy not the political conflict what now for the catalan national assembly when how do you intend to congressional campaign and how hopeful are you off of success in the the medium term we would like to restart again the

campaign on the arguments in favor of in the balance because what happens with police gov repression is that you are only talking about that about the people that are detaining the people that i've been investigated and you're still you stop talking about what moved you in the 1st place to defend independence for you country and i think it's important to to put desired humans again because now we have more arguments and we had at the beginning a few years ago or when the at the national assembly west created we had argue. mens' in the a social arguments economic arguments cultural linguistic arguments to defend the. catalan state for catalonia but now we have more arguments we have we have seen how it is to live in a spanish state that is willing to volunteer violate fundamental rights in order to preserve unity of spring who would like to. to continue to be part

of our state such as these one so we have to wrap these things up our game and try to or try to come playing again with the strong arguments for independence so the the grassroots campaign goes on yes thank you thank you our son. in our studios in catalonia we have thought to explain the nature of the movement for catalan independence and the tough reaction of the spanish state against these ambitions inevitably this is largely featured the views of the catalan campaigners as a new spanish government are reluctant to engage in anything other than the briefest of statements inconclusive icon of the spanish election provide some basis for a dialogue with prime minister sanchez short of the numbers required to secure his position in the quarter is and the largest catalan independence party that you are see opening the doors to support in exchange for talks however any move to appease

catalan ambitions will be postponed by the right wing opposition who selects all success has been largely built on a hardline approach towards catalonia it will be interesting to see if the circle can be squared because a continued constitutional standoff seems neither to the benefit of catalonia or spain. next thursday is general election polling day in the united kingdom eyemouth political coverage tickly limited will present it compilation of the highlights of some of our shoes to international issues however the following week we summoned once again our prestigious panel of political pundits who examine the post-election landscape in the united kingdom and what might be the spectre's of christmas is yet to come but until then from alex to me and all that the shoe is good bye and we hope to see you all next thank

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