students to juvenile is drug taking as it gets in the realms of business but you wouldn't expect anyone to band nike and it's billions of dollars from sports now would you because otherwise who's going to tailor team u.s.a.'s olympic outfit. i think we have to look at the why that your political context anybody who has studied this in depth this whole. story i'm afraid would come to the objective conclusion that double standards are being applied here we are seeing a campaign to deal just to my eyes to russia on a number of fronts what people are saying quite rightly in russia and elsewhere is the standards must be applied equally that's what this is about it's about standards being applied equally yes when there is evidence of individual athletes who may have consciously taken drugs in an attempt to get advantages over their rivals then any athlete that does that should be subject to the rules no one is disputing that but where this goes way beyond that is this call for

a blanket ban and which is unfair because it punishes the innocent as well as the guilty. the leaders of france germany russia and ukraine are meeting in paris on monday to thrash out a road map to peace in eastern ukraine president putin has just arrived in paris for the summit are detailed to trying to report on what the 4 leaders are in to achieve. the bloody conflict in east ukraine between the pro russian breakaway republics of donetsk and lugansk and kiev has been sorted for years now there's only one crucial remark it's been sorted on paper the step by step peace plan is called the mids big remains and this came into being thanks to the efforts by the leaders of germany france ukraine and russia this quartet became known as the normandy for well during the 5 years of the existence of the peace plan and we've

kept hearing from all kinds of politicians from east to west that the minsk agreements are the only way to go to support the implementation of the minsk agreement because the reasonable alternative no plan b. exists in my opinion this is the only way we can create a climate in ukrainian society where they were able to make painful compromises regarding the states and so must. i agree with the chancellor there is no other alternative in the implementation of agreements with help of the usa yes'. however in fact in reality none of these steps were pretty much taken so no wonder the normandy for stopped getting together this is why december the 9th is so important the quartet is convening after a very long pause and the president of russia and ukraine are said to hold direct talks face to face for the 1st time since the civil war in ukraine broke out in

2014 but i do have to point out that he cried so there was a lunch he could find himself trapped in fact some are saying that he's already in a trap because any baby steps that he could make towards russia any little compromise could cause some real political damage at home but don't ruin the success of his party because the anti russian pro-war lobby in ukraine is still. very strong and we know that the political public mood in ukraine kid swing or just take you turn to within a matter of but instead now you may wonder what's in it for france and germany this time the french president emanuel macron wants to cement his role as a senior peace broker in europe was decent ties to russia when it comes to angle of merkel of course you may say that right now she's more busy with domestic issues and soon she will be on her way out of big politics although like i said the minsk

agreements are partially her brainchild so for her it's a matter of personal to revive them if we take moscow for the russians it's very important to show commitment to the midst agreements to restore trust with the western countries but anyway it seems for the russian side status quo is more preferable over any kind of steps that are carefully thought through so should we expect any surprises breakthroughs on monday most experts are saying that we shouldn't but we do have to remember that under president bush the lenski there has already been a prisoner swap between russia and ukraine and also along parts of the front line and east ukraine on both sides heavy weaponry has been removed so this does bring hope and a slight degree of optimism. meanwhile on sunday thousands took to the streets of ukraine's capital against the upcoming meeting demonstrators brought tents and food

to the president's office in a bid to spend the night there were kiev authorities trying to clear the area sparking clashes with protesters the country's opposition led by former president bush and co called on people to take to the streets across ukraine meanwhile us has a former foreign minister told us the summit is an important move in the right direction. any decision that you take on the level for foreign policy in particular when it's such a delicate issue it always has. the mastic implication that that's very evident in particular in that case so i do wish old old boy and old old the very best to be able to start something and then to wait for that then i'll make that it can evolve but from what we have seen been seen over the last few months we already can detect some sort of dynamic that's not that's not anymore the

complete stalemate that have been movements on the military level exchange of. people who were detained something is going on what i have always said what is very important in diplomacy is that certain things happen. indescretion they don't have to be discussed on a daily level in public it's important that certain things can happen sometimes behind closed doors but that's where they can happen best. we now go back to our top story and the water has held a conference explaining its decision to ban russia from participating in major sports events just to remind you the world anti-doping agency has banned the russian flag from major international tournaments for the next 4 years including the summer olympics in tokyo in 2020 however it may not cover the upcoming games if the court of arbitration for sport does not deliver a ruling on russia's possible appeal before the sporting event but then of course

the ban will cover the games in paris and 2024 instead. they want a conference for us and joins us live now with the details charlotte what else was said. well yes more details about what that 4 year ban will entailed from the water committee he. in the zone they've said that that will mean that no russian athlete will be able to participate in a major event under the banner all the flag of russia it means that russia won't be able to bid for it won't be able to host the major sporting events in the next 4 years during that ban and that means that obviously hosting the events could take a much longer because you have to bid for events many years before they happen it also means that officials won't be able to sit on international sporting boards sporting committees and government officials won't be allowed to go to major

sporting events and as you mentioned that the flag it will also be banned from those major sporting events now we also find out more about the detail of why why did made this decision $145.00 athletes they say are under suspicion as a result of this case but they say that only about a 3rd of those athletes are currently participating in sporting events that so many around 50 so that begs the question what this means for all those other russian athletes who are going to be trying to show that they are not in suspicion that they want to participate in major sporting events what of those athletes who we heard today for water that those athletes will have to prove their innocence. this is a ban against russia the protection of the rights of russian us each. entry for major events. able to demonstrate that they are not implicated in any

we. are complying and what is important thing to these decisions. are really sanctioning those who are responsible for this many pollutions and leave those open for those who had nothing to do with. in russia clean. slate. well that decision by water was a unanimous decision we also know the result which is the russia anti doping agency said it will appeal that decision we've also heard from russia that it says it is done everything to abide by the requests from water and says that they've put all that evidence to the president in fact i asked the president that question about the evidence that russia has given to show that it doesn't believe that it had anything to do with any evidence being tampered with. so to says it's going to appeal this decision russia says it's rejected all of the allegations of data

manipulation it says it's provided you evidence to counter that to show that it didn't delete the state it didn't modify the data what do you have to say to that and was that taken account in your decision well i wasn't part of the the discussion i do know. cooperation between the. conversations they had with flood example of the russian olympic committee. but those people who are interested are entitle to under the standard to appeal and if they wish to appeal they have 21 days to accept this. and if they do not wish to appeal then we will be in cash. well what a says it decision is russia doesn't believe it's this looks like it will end up in front of the court to fall betray should and it's for the court of arbitration to

decide which side is right one thing to note is that this won't come into force until there is the final decision taken place so that could mean that 2020 is out or it could mean that paris 2024 is out because that 4 year ban will start as soon as that final decision is taken. are to charlotte to bring us the latest from. all right now to discuss more about what we heard today from we're joined in the studio by. a lot coming down today with this decision and i think the biggest takeaway from that park press conference is there's so much left to be decided what was your biggest takeaway you know you you mentioned a very right thing here and it might be foolish now to feel in any way optimistic about the future after a decision like that by the world anti-doping agency but i actually i feel a little bit optimistic and here's why because. the things they've said today at

the press conference to me they really have no idea how to implement all this so they took this one big step and said russia will not be officially represented at any major world championship for that matter not european but world. but they still don't know how to operate it for instance a good example of a russian football team i mean football is still the sport number one in the world you cannot deny that and when someone so russia qualifies as. being part of the usa for which is not a signatory of the water code it does not adhere to the rules and we've already heard from the president of the way for that russia will participate in the euro zone that will be hosted here next summer and then the 2021 the champions league final as well so 'd raw. qualifies as a nation under u.a.e. for the rules gets into the world cup which is the fee for domain the football association in the world and then it has a sort of like give away its flag and compete on the white flag or something like

that they still don't know how to operate all this they still don't know how to navigate in the of the murky world of rules that they have created fair enough they are trying to fight doping the. limitations and strict rules something mentioned a few times during the press conference that this year we introduced the rules now we've you know basically hit them as an avalanche on the russia and no flag no potentially no anthem and no and all things like that we are trying to clean the sport i still don't know how exactly representation of the country with no fly cleans the sport except humiliating the athletes humiliating the nation athletes who have done nothing wrong who have not you know tested positive for doping in their in their careers it's still a big question mark but the reason i am still somewhat optimistic is that some of these federations including fifo. you know you can see the response from fifa so far they said ok we've taking notice of what is decision and we will update you on due course because they also don't know what to do with it i mean and there's

a chance that they might say you know we'll read wrote a letter to compete in qatar should they qualify as a normal like full fledged nation we've heard from the i.i.h.f. the world's governing body for ice hockey and ice hockey world championship is due to be held in russia that they said this will not be affected the participation of russian hosting of the storm it will not be affected by what is a decision so there is on the one hand you know a potential for some federations having the voice of reason and by voice of reason i mean not slapping any clean athletes and you know not punishing those who have not nothing to do with anything that russia is being accused of but also there might be an interesting sort of i would say power struggle but a little bit of a revolt in the world of sport where some federations might say. who are you to give us these rules and you know why why is it made like that because you know it is quite possible that not all people will agree with what is decision we've

already spoken to a number of people we've already heard support from athletes across the world who said that no matter what russia did wrong slapping a blanket ban or a comprehensive ban on the law is not a good thing to do so i think we. in the very early stages of a very interesting rollercoaster ride of a story i said this last year when russia was the band was suspended and risotto was reinstated back then the 1st time i said you know when anybody who thinks it's some kind of victory that we saw it is not reinstated it's only the beginning of the journey that now rosado has to work its way up to you know to build credibility both fortunately that credibility looks to be gone right now for whatever reason whether it's the sort of fault or just some murky shady character who allegedly walked into the lab and altered all the data the credibility is gone now but there's a there's a whole you know window of opportunity for very crazy developments in the story and i think would we're just in the beginning over it when you mention that there is

some hope when it comes to fifo when it comes to that i we have had the i.o.c. the international olympic committee coming out and saying that they're in full agreement with lot of decision and so then you would think ok well least the olympics are clear but at the same time they're not they're not because they're still the possibility of appeal and so now there's this question of could russia miss out on the upcoming olympics in tokyo or because this is a rolling ban and it doesn't really come into effect until that this issue has come down well in fact the paris one picks a couple years later so once again everything is just very very unclear what do you think that means for athletes who are looking to the future not just tokyo but the paris. really even scared to think about what's running through the minds of all the athletes now particularly clean up kids who have been preparing for lympics who have no idea. you know there could be another dark development in this whole doping saga. i can't even imagine what's running through their heads now because you know it's their dreams and as roy joins jr one of the legendary boxes in the history of

boxing told me just a fortnight ago here in russia by the way he said you know this decision the kind of decision by water. it kills a lot of dreams so for them it's obviously a dream dead for many of them when and yeah they will go they will participate they will earn money but they will do that under the flag of their nation something they've been trying to sort of prepare for and training for but i think you know there are many more other things that stake here again particularly the future of the doping fight and. 0 question about it the anti-doping movement is very important it has to be implemented there should be no cheaters in sport and you know numerous experts have already told 'd us you know sports is something that exists outside of the realm of politics it should be clean you know the original elim big movement the olympians they gathered and they stop all the wars and conflicts in ancient greece to compete against each other in a friendly way so this is what it's supposed to be about and if this mess i would

call it a mess that we are finding ourselves right now in including russia including why including all the federation so now have unexpected a lot of headache on their hands because they don't know how to navigate in the in the new rules that water has crushed up on them if this sort of creates a new environment for both the anti-doping fight and for you know the future of russian sports in particular because there's a lot to be done here there's a lot to be changed there's a lot of systematic changes that needs to take place irrespective of the scandal in respect of all the stories. i'm still a little bit you know sort of optimistic about that but if we're talking about the clean athletes of course for them it's a big blow and let's just look at one of those stories we'll be hearing many many of those stories but one of those stories is that of an exam that they took off a skeleton athlete who was never tested. positive for doping and he is heartbroken now imagine. other. people's kids at home and you should get on.

the other people in the world. over the commuter. the book this is. interesting in your mind you know. this began. with. yeah the you know with. the. success of the. there are still you know below the middle that's the to be on the. stool of the bunch of. the that actually made a good. discipline that i could be somewhat but i do walk the computer the could almost support us

there will be truth into just i knew you better way to get us knowing s.m.s. would you please i mean i see images when you. go to leadership ability into the. more the it's called a whopper. yeah the spin in my was at the cook if you will just put me on the porch just. still sitting near. russia's sports minister is now giving a press conference over at wanda's decision we can listen in live to what he's saying. really was remembers good reason to believe that was the reason which is

usenet of you presume the press conference is here at the press center i would leave you to receive this award information send and here with us we have the minister for support of the russian federation is to cough cough on the outcomes of the water meeting that took place unless everyone knows probably the executive committee will be to. take back the status given previously to the russian anti-doping agency probably their decision was quite predictable for of the whole history every decision that compliance committee made was later on adopted by the executive committee and so what are the next steps that russia is going to make and this question goes to the minister for support so like to thank you for being open and ready for discussion for coming here at such a short notice and this purse conference is here for you we used to work with you really have time to organize it but we're here thank you for that may you say

couple of words about the format of the today's obviously with the go or indeed as we agreed. what we all missing officer was his decision has been announced i've come here on purpose there is a lot of speculation in the media a lot of rumors opinions. on confirmed information and like to report on what has been done i'd like to you know answer our position concerning the decision by the waters executive committee and. steps going forward so let's move to the q. and a. going to go to mr. well colleagues let's start then. you have the floor. of the 2nd row thank you for the question it's channel one with all 4 years is a lot of time it's widely severe punishment. is there a way for russia to have recourse and the what are the requirements and the kind

dishes for russia to go on what will happen in 4 years and is there any chance that some new mechanism will be put in place what are you doing right now and my colleagues asked me to ask the following it has to do with the world cup in qatar will russia be in a way restricted in what dissipation and what about other continental championships and tournaments for russia be able to participate or not but it will. obviously have to start in a different way. so i'll start to walk you through the procedure today the executive committee passed its decision to send this decision. to the chairman of. the russian antidoping agency and we now have $21.00 to draft a response to it it's very simple. agreed to it or you disagree if

disagrees with the. wada has a short span of time to forward. to cas. with. us we will review all the evidence from scratch. but it will be an objective process as you hear all the all here all the mrs russian experts laws on a law by experts and maybe other international experts they will pick the right spots judges so until then no sports decisions will be made final so sanctions well we just need to. look at the procedure going forward i've been to some of our meetings by war our experts and water experts whatever questions they had on. experts provided there are.

as we look at i mean the doping agency the antidoping agency wada has all of the same database that we have and again. what it has not submitted all the information to our experts technical reports have not been submitted so you can see them on the website and only some of them were uploaded on friday morning and some of them are pretty technical you need some time to study those reports. our experts have provided convincing so steve for answers to any of the other gay sions fortunately they have not heard us broussard a has time to appeal it send cluing sanctions related issues so this still a lot of work ahead. now on the world cup. it's too early it will not applied to see you row

2020 and i don't think it will apply to the thief world cup some of the sanctions that are part of that decision according to some lawyers run counter to the charter of the i.o.c. because the decision itself. includes sanctions against. members of the olympic committee of russia and sanctions against. russia. who would be all allowed to own new under a neutral status but as you know it's athletes who take part in the live to games in needs the olympic committees of countries according to the i c charts. who pick those athletes and since water does not cover those territory i feel that lawyers will have to look into it and casts will also have to look into it thank

you thank you so much and now the 1st row question it's match to be. a cop car the decision reads. can go as neutral athletes without using the russian flag paul hamm email or if they succeed in convincing the i meet here that they are clean and what is that scenario which will be in place for them how can they convince everyone that they are clean with the track and field athletes they found one year outside a russian other scenarios were in play so could you elaborate on this please now i don't want to. compare the situation before chung charring and the russian track and field. scr i says. none of the associations except for the track and field federation are under a banner and say have the same rights and try to once they can represent their

athletes they can submit lists of athletes talking of and to doping operations here is a brief but we have complied with the roadmap of the council of europe of you know skirball recommendations furthermore back in september unesco sent. special acknowledgement to the government of the russian federation for the hard work that we've done it. was under monitoring by wada and it separations have been recognized as successful and the decision actually hire lies so the success of our operations. ok so there can be no issues with russia's antidoping operations 10009000 samples every year has been monitored to. just lie before so water cannot lay any

claims to have any grievances. and to doping operations. there might be some requests to pass additional testing but. here's what i can tell you future olympians for example attests to no less so we're even more than other athletes and their results the number of positive cases he's room in line with other countries so the ratio is very low thank you for your question and now. next. our big. yes my question is is that a political motive ate at all nationals or is that really the sign that there were problems in russian sports and now the problems have been revealed. we never made

a secret that so we did we did have some issues particularly in the track and field and we had to reform the entire organization lead to federation has been overhauled and there are still issues there will be a new election in the track and field federation vini shoes after a recount of these samples a lot of were disqualified so you have nothing to hide to troon several years ago we had a major reform we had a new leadership a villa board new management of broussard and that was done together with. advisors from water they've been here for a long time and they recommended through solder would be reinstated so we had. experts here working in the field for 2 years so we've done x. drawer new work since then in terms of the alleged leader.