that there were problems in russian sports and now the problems have been revealed . we never made a secret that so we did we did have some issues particularly in the track and field and we had to reform the entire organization lead to federation has been overhauled and there are still issues there will be a new election in the track and field federation vini shoes after a recount of these samples a lot of us were disqualified so you have nothing to hide to be true and several years ago we had a major reform we had a new leadership a villa borat and new management of broussard and that was done together with. advisors from water they've been here for a long time and they recommended that through solder will be reinstated so we had experts here working in the field for 2 years so we've done x.

door new work since then in terms of the lead to the legal framework in terms of coordinating all of it is of other agencies and. institutions we report a regular lead the council of europe soon as q. but we have resolved all the issues related with the liaison between the federal customs service between. other agencies because it requires a concerted efforts we've provided for funding. does have funding and then started to be financed by the finance ministry directly we have nothing to do with it or the sports ministry since june. does not belong to the ministry of sports it's part of the. moscow state university together with moscow state university and with why do we signed

a collaboration of independence of these organisation and it's been fully complied with the so we've done so much work in terms of legislation to be honest. we could be a role model for many other countries and many other countries have asked for assistance. particularly in drafting into turpin legislation. what else can i say. i don't like words like political but sometimes i do come to that conclusion. it's interfax and i like to ask you. how could you respond to mr fanous who said that the leadership of the russian sports should be toppled and that the actions that russia has staking have been inadequate to tackle the crisis. partially replied to that question we have provided all the mr conditions for the operations of that whole institution they

had the full autonomy. mr gundersen all the. all theorized to you. hold a joint investigations together with the law enforcement. to his face to the major . challenge he needs to analyze all the evidence he needs to see me the evidence that these supplies are aboard and it's up to the supervisory board to pause a decision that in response to orders executive committees decision so. let him do the job he has them and. was supposed to provide the database. he didn't he was reluctant to be part of the job. ok let's move to the center now.

thank you very much an r t. color guard who said that the because asians. towards russian officials well there are none but that decision has been made and we have what we have it's pretty goes as far as the court what are the arguments what are the facts that russia can lay forward to let me defend its case and another question in 4 years what a may find some other reason to believe this a there will be more questions more reasons or maybe more facts to punish russia in some other way don't you think so i think. there's a little bit of procrastination in 5 years have passed several generations of athletes have been there i don't say that which. does not need their grievances and they. passed

a ruling concerning russians in the government officials i think we've had enough evidence. but there are technical. issues related to procedures i don't want to to disclose all the details. but. again accords will have to. wear your non that bird right now it's up to the supervisory board of resolve. personal opinion sufficient information that we do have. 5 prospects so we can defend ourselves and it is proper to. movie shoot so we have 3 independent arbitrators with the ruling is passed nonce in line with the report.

by the department of intelligence investigations. on the evidence. provided by the c.r.c. it was appointed by water we'd never took part in it initially when we handed over the database we said let's do it together learned so investigate the database together the line with the proceed through with the code of procedures. so that we have the full decision. that's what we wanted our experts to come not just once or twice but we wanted to have a kind of a mechanism or make a newsman so that we come to with the decision together. but it didn't respond to that i believe it's a really challenging situation. with experts have different opinions on that if we all suppose an objective decision like this water has all the necessary opportunities the kids have used

a different approach. right now there's a different procedure in place. thank you very much. let's move to the 2nd row now. thank you my question is as follows could you please introduce yourself support new japan what it can russia given the various consequences lose the opportunity to. see skiing competition next year and my 2nd question. these days this decision is a crisis and was there a way to avoid that crisis look. here's what i can so we've done everything possible. to make sure. the situation is resolved we've done everything possible more than that. well in the u.k.

we have complied with the critique requirements by wada and they've been. putting pressure on our sister part of the road map they require a new critical that we demand. well looking back i would so we've done everything possible everything in our power to resolve this issue to mutual satisfaction. for the benefits of international durations of the i.o.c. and for the benefit of russian athletes. a roster they call mock up it will be staged according to waters decision it only applies to work international championships it doesn't apply to european championships. and there's a caviar it. and again if sanctions you take effect and there's

a big question mark over it. but don't look at the one for many tournament you have agreements. every party has some binding. responsibilities but tickets are being sold only entrance fees. have been paid some time so intimate a part of calendar of calendar of took to many federations and russia for many international federations is a very appealing country in terms of venue for hosting not just a tournament. but also their business meeting this commission and sessions. just recently you might not be aware of it's. there a week ago we called the swimming. world cup poor. and. that. event it's close to

a university will be hosting then i'd say in the going forward. we've always made to our portnoy's half we're always complied with all of the. keys requirements and you know you just need to ask our international partners says critically important for them to have events here in russia and we have a contractual obligations we have to deliver and we always deliver it i'm sure federations will be against such a decision by water. but thank you now to the 2nd row. good afternoon. coming back to the had of rosado he said that he didn't feel he was in any way to be blamed for the situation in your opinion about who is to be blamed for that to be blamed for the fact that we are again losing our status and deprived of these rights. we had

a. huge scope of responsibilities it's really huge. to deliver on everything and investigate only violations. personal part in it he has the mandate. book we only learn about he's operations from the media we believe it's wrong. they need to liaise with the law enforcement so far we haven't seen any kind of corporation. you know making assessments well he's an expert in that. passing judgment and everyone just listen to one of these interviews on the track and field crisis actually he's interfered with the public call organization all of the public organizations are independent in the track and field as

a federation independent without any grounds he called for a 3 year. for the resignation of some of the key of the some of the head coaches. well he needs to find evidence he needs to report the evidence . to the disciplinary commission and then these coaches might be fired so far there's been only allegations are not backed up by any evidence so it's hard to comment on his statements i'm ready to cooperate with him i've invited see him as. part of the agency commission he doesn't always come to those meetings but he's got a lot of work on his plate. and his ascension now. france harass us to do you know. introduced those changes to

the lab but can that be done by the investigative committee. i think i've replied to that question. initially. well if you know that the database. of the so-called limps system. you have raw files. these are the data from the census from the devices modest believes this is the most accurate evidence and the poor would barely mentions that the database i don't think has been ever checked by anyone in the just. compare these 2 databases. we don't know where he got it how he got it so have the depression go database and the pace and you have the tubes we've handed over 4000 to test tube so you can also study

them so what is the statement or what is the decision by water. on their server they might analyze that there might be some new evidence but so far they just do this comparison limps state to bases the dirt to base there was there and the board ship and it was not sealed by the laboratory committee to are up and running and they analyze. the blood samples blood tests it was constantly updated something had to be adjusted and it's no secret that it was done you know it's a it's an in-house. software was a software developed inhouse by a russian curve and. he follows so she it's but i don't think we can agree with the database we don't know where he go it's how he got it some allegations were made based on the database can you imagine that. very investigative

process when you have a database and you use it as evidence where did they take it why do the users of the grounds is the. sort of ground 0 i don't know. the investigative committee are experts so when they do the research the ask for all the possible information please provide us with. why do you think these databases or thing tick well we haven't had that kind of response from hold they will come up with something so that we can make sure we can see for ourselves how the drop conclusion it's i don't know if any of the audience can really have the knowledge. to look into this issue. probably in our we should give the thought of those people standing at the back. for xander the ports magazine which

which was 1st published in $92.00 we have a lot of rumors saying there is going to deprive a world cups and tournaments but none of these new pieces that whatever will be depriving us of the harkey and football tournaments in the 20212022 as well as the wrestling championship that will take. after so is also going to deprive of these are tournaments or not can you please explain this i think i replied to you a similar question i just outlined the procedure supplies to these championships in the same way we have an agreement. there are binding. requirements of some of the year and some of the fees have been paid subscription peace have been paid and the

international federation sorry sure you want to stage these events here in russia and there are other federations who want to host other even here in russia so i believe for grounds against too early to mention that. because we just need to pause stage warn. initial procedure it's too early to say where these sanctions will take effect we need to go to court. and the next question please. can the euro news mr carlip cough i'm trying to understand now when the decision was made to modern nouns that it's about changing the results of the lab tests just to days prior to transfer a know all the data to why does x. percent and modest says that the decision has been made to make

a rush openly going to 1st of these mistakes well we have already answered questions like that about the labs and tests and everything. is there was a similar question. i think we replied to that question a lot let's talk about the decision itself. you know to be honest i replied to that question and i walk through the procedure going forward what we've been trying to. do back to some previous stage. we've long it's long gone we've complied with all the requirements by the council of europe and you know sco. ok 2nd row and of course we're seeing dean. said today that the changes had been introduce your lab tests by someone who hasn't been identified so they don't know

who is the culprit and they are punishing russian a fleet is that even large a call and can you fight their case at the court of arbitrary and if you fail is it possible that there will be a russian olympic committee because it hasn't been banned so far. first you're right. that they apply the collective responsibility principle and so to speak begin eve you violate doping rules in its individual responsibility but water tries to apply the collective responsibility rule and we've always disagreed with that well the rest you know i think replied to that once again let's wait for the decision by the supervisor. or they have $21.00 days to come up with their statement. and then we cane appealed

to the codes. of vain keris will have to look into it i believe aid shelby's should be because we have the evidence we we have computed to the experts so we have sports our experts positions on that so let's look at causes the ultimate or betrayed the sports world cannot come to a exhaustive conclusion on its. thank you for the question. of the mike to that young man. federal news agency mr cop car. it is a fact that for any athletes also take banned substances and in your opinion. at this moment in time do we really need to somehow a mandate it just ration which has to do with sports globally all because of these

things happening to the russian the fleets lately indeed you nascar's my many proposals we are part of that. group work. part of the brew of conventions i'll be sitting there among 6 other representatives all be on that you know school board so there are many issues related to the convention itself and they're all issues related with all the waters procedures those in your organization there was just recently set up the i was see set it up recently it understands that the antidoping framework is not perfect everyone's being asked questions. to you ease we need to put this clean up this system. we raise these issues very often and you still haven't got an answer. you know when you why you're testing is done by different organizations not just by anti doping

organizations what are the standards that you use if they violate those standards why should. government officials be responsible for it cannot sort of. the way but. why do we have the organization to sponsor the meetings so we're only government officials are allowed to this is a direct violation of all prissie of any procedure there are many issues where we need to get an answer. spurgeon to doping activities. russia has had a lot of proposals we've had so much experience and. legal advice. for other countries as for in specific issues we'll work hard to resolve them i'm going to keep on alexei if it's only in t.v. channel my colleague from. dr dean asked about responsibility and who's to be

blamed for that as well could you clarify this one please he said that it's. either the athletes who take banned substances or their trainers should be punished. well that's a good question or do you want to me to tell you should i justify my. find excuses for myself or should i shift the blame to anyone else so. i used to do it so i own medals and i went to the stone you many times you know to choose. a violation of doping rules but whatever. we continue doing i've done it in the rights where i go and see that the database was handed over we've done that. there was a challenging job. technically. and as i said if i could go

back. would do the same once again we did did the right. and we've had a huge we've done we did a huge job and it was recognised by the way it was praised. as i promised. that i would give her an opportunity to ask a question yes a clarifying question a follow up question what do you think what will be the time which will be needed to stand up for our athletes because the tokyo games are just around the corner and . these cases can be tried at court for years so we have time. given the technical difficulties. if you remember. 2 years ago. it took about 4 months in the case of russian athletes it's a difficult process and bag then was a much simpler. case now you have so many

so much evidence we would need some extra examinations you need 5 the arbitrators that is serious procedure i'm sure will be additional experts on both sides so need to pick the right experts takes time. we do have the grands does but we have our own stance on that the supervisory board will look into it in. then there are other procedures. like the olympic committee pope paralympic committee might to join the process so the i.o.c. my during the process who's going to be in all jews long process. thank you for your question well colleagues we don't have much time left. but it was in the. car as a moderator i think i'd ask you a question to all kind of thank you very much for the question i have let's discuss the water code comparing to the charter of the i.o.c.

do we see any attempts to make the. these very conventional go below in terms of a status or not the i.o.c. charter is always been the fundamental law for us. the charges of federations the status of the federation of always lives on the i.o.c. charter announces a proclaims the independence of all federations it provides all the conditions to review matches in cassis so if the i.o.c. charges like a bible for us the right now the code seems to become more important in the i.o.c. charter. which is a fundamental. piece of legislation that's all sports federations use we need to bring sports back give

sports back to the sports organizations there have been a lot of negative events. you know there's been a lot of violations doping rules around the world spain the u.s. germany you know the sort. all of the leagues in the u.s. have their own enter dopping rules what does that mean your us are they cannot. introduce the full called of barter so a lot of. are not covered by water right now they're discussing the russian cover law what does that mean in effect this runs counter to the i.o.c. charter there's a blow to independence of sports federations and its american cause there will look into it and not chaos including on this ports of in that are held elsewhere will there will they raise that issue does it does it fit the i.o.c. charter suzi olympic committee of the us can do whatever they can why don't we

raise that issue so rather a lot of the issues that we can raise. is just one of many. and there are plenty of issues in everyone seems to be fixated and just this one this one that's where we think it's might be politic politicized thank you for these frank conversation that's not the last meeting that we're going to have thank you for the interest and just to follow the news cycle thank you. we've just been listening in to russia's sports minister giving comments on want us decision to ban russia from major international sports competitions for for years to break down his comments of course we have actually had a shift here in the studio with us now he touched on the idea that water is functioning under the principle of collective responsibility which russia takes issue with and i'd say they're not alone in that what did you think of that yeah i agree with that kind of sentiment but you know i would describe the whole 35 minute

long press conference by the sports minister as a fight talk the main sort of idea that he has been trying to tell us is that it's far from over yet not only he almost. you know there will be an appeal to the to the to the cast of the destruction court of sports you know there's a good chance that you know russia will be listened to in that court we obviously cannot know for sure whether the claim is that he's been making along with the group of experts here in russia that you know they provided all the database to the water experts and that it had no. tampering with it whatsoever and you know they compared it with the old database somehow acquired by mr rudd and who is now living in the us and whistle blowing on russia we don't know whether all of that or some of it is true but what he promised basically that they will deliver everything they have to the costs to the courts see whether they can produce an objective opinion

which would involve a lot of people from different. sports bodies you know because he has a feeling that. well maybe not necessarily has a biased approach but they have a certain grievance as he said as he called it which he could understand in terms of you know in the eyes of the public water gives this credit of trust to russia if i should say so and then russia sort of violates this credit of trust and now water just has to slap a completely you know enormous ban on the clean up in the country. but again it all it's all going to depend on the court of a. sports and i think as i've said before we're in the very early stages of yet another big big fight which will last which could last months because right now we have 21 days the appeal period. in which russia must appeal to the. i assume it would happen actually much quicker than that because i've already heard indications that there will be several emergency meetings of sports.