from trying to get. snow. for years off the world stage the international anti-doping agency shut the door on russia over what it said was tampering with a database. russia cries foul saying it provided all the necessary answers in claims it's been ignored for months to take the decision to support. the punishments politicize. the leaders of russia ukraine france and germany with the normandy force summit in full swing group hopes to agree a road map to peace in eastern ukraine and. other

thanks for joining us this. pressure is being kicked out of all international sporting events for the next 4 years punishment says the world anti-doping agency for tampering with a key database of test results from russian athletes. press conference in lhasa. what are officials announcing a unilateral decision over a 4 year ban on russia taking part in major sporting events during that period meaning that russian athletes won't be able to compete and the ban over russia nor will they be able to fly the russian flag at those major events those major events could include tokyo 2020 and also the world athletics championships is also suggestion that this could impact the football world cup in 2022 russia won't be able to host nor be able to bid for any major sporting events during that 4 year

period russian officials won't be able to go in an official capacity to those games nor will officials in russia be able to sit on the boards of major sporting committees all boards during that time when they were questioned about what that would mean for russian athletes who didn't have any cloud of suspicion over them when it came to doping allegations they said that each russian athlete would have to prove their innocence this is a ban against russia that protect the rights of russian each. entry for major is. able to demonstrate that they are not implicated in any we. comply. to these decisions. are really sanctioning those for responsible for this many pollutions and leave those open for those who had nothing to do with. russia clean.

plates well what it says in its investigation was the sale date was forensic and that investigation showed that the data it'd received from a moscow lobbying question had it believed to be tampered with this was that data from a moscow lab relating to information from 2012 to 2015 while the said that that was dated didn't match the data it into. sieved from the whistleblower which started this big scandal but what i went further and said during that time in moscow in 2808 experts say that they had also seen that all the data had been tampered with and that's why they've taken this decision from the date it received 145 athletes that they were able to pinpoint that had had a question mark over them we're not sure if they were in russia a lot but it said only around a 3rd of those athletes were currently active now of russian officials have

a very different story to this they say that the data that was handed over. hadn't been tampered with that they had applied to all of the conditions and stipulations set out by wada and as a result of fans who saw that which is the russia being agency would be appealing this decision i asked to present what that poor response and that russia says it's rejected all of the allegations of data manipulation it says it's provided you evidence to counter to show that it didn't modify the data what do you have to say to that and was that taken account in your decision well i wasn't part of the c.r.c. discussion what i do know is that it was close cooperation between the. under russian i'm not sure what conversations they had with floyd example the russian olympic committee. but those people who are interested are entitle to under the standard to appeal and if they wish to appeal they have 21 days to accept this

secession or not and if they do not know that they wish to appeal then we will be in cash pride right disease. clearly is technical you need to be a fire engine. and we passed it on immediately sure say thank you very much it does not change the opinion that the well received. they will appeal that decision meaning that this is like you know to end up in the court of arbitration for that court to decide who is right and who is wrong on this particular topic for the meantime though one perhaps ray of light water officials did say today that there was a possibility of changing this decision and that possibility rested on the 4 attempted data being provided by that law in moscow something that the russians say they have already done. in the.

russian olympic committee says the waters recommendations are logical and inadequate the scandal itself broke when water analysts found irregularities in the doping test database that came from the moscow the discrepancies data they obtained early from a whistleblower relating to the time period between 20122015 but that does not explain why is why the says they found the tampering occurred after the whistleblower could have access that as late as 20182019 sports minister says russia's arguments are simply gone and heard. experts who provided convincing on says unfortunately they haven't responded to has time to appeal initially when we handed over the database we said let's investigate the database together so that we can make a full decision that we wanted to have a kind of mechanism if we want to objective decision let's do it like this has all the necessary opportunities they could have taken

a different approach than the various russian sports federations have been quick to question why does decision. those decisions a biased inexplicably lead to politicizing prejudged punishing russia is the state which was connected to this story without showing any credible evidence is an absolutely normal transparent organization that punishing the states and clean sportsmen and women why should that be considered fair. but i'm absolutely sure it's wrong to punish and impose the various functions against those 100 percent meeting every warder and limp committee requirement. what is decision is unfair it's wrong to treat both men and women on the basis of their nationality i believe all sports participants have the right to represent their country on the international arena. by calling tackling the discuss what us decision without is alexy our cesky and sports commentator alan moore smalling i spoke with

a source in water and he said exactly was going to happen has happened it's actually been a bit more hardcore and that there's a set term. which is very very unusual and the fact that they they have george massada to be non-compliant. you know they're going to get these sanctions when the same thing happened for example in bloemfontein in south africa which is the only other time was the only african water created lob before rio. at least from across africa and south africa were able to compete so do seem to be a bit strange but then they have taken things as going along. in protecting athletes i don't know that that figure and we get that bit 145 and one 3rd of one 3rd of my simple question is this or the old russian and no one will answer it from water because again we have to remember that the athletes tested here will also

include no notion of fleets and we do know that there were athletes for example brought in for who was behind the groups and helped group of leave russia his samples were tested here but when you cut comeon to try and check to see what remained of his samples and his data and information because we saw it on t.v. on the big screen that he was being tested here they were all gone so we really have to ask what is there behind this and is it all you will because this is a great question for me that protecting clean athletes who's clean allow me to disagree a little bit with you because it's not by far not the only question i'm trying to understand here they are saying almost directly that they are punishing those responsible for what happened right they are not punishing those who are responsible apparently if if we are to believe in the allegations that water and the c.r.c. have made an investigative unit they have made against russia it's about someone

physically walking into all the boards or and altering the data deleting stuff i don't know altering whatever they said in the huge statement how do those athletes who are they not batting but they are effectively prohibiting them from wearing their country's flag how are they responsible for what happened. one of the people at the press conference or young is the head of the investigations he said we believe that having athletes compete and you. for 4 years without any association to the country is the best way to protect them now you called it a living on so. if you have a russian flag that means you're evil and you're deleting information again. we still don't know who deleted from a should because remember craig reset himself and this has changed from statements i want to give notice almost at the same time i was going to younger and so on were in. love in an office someone in the next office was deleting they've been changing

their statements on this because they said when they they left the lab suddenly they found it all changed who changed it because if that's the case would be a look at the congress and he went on there's so much with this that stinks there's so much of this is just really is wrong or doesn't even make sense at all completely another thing is that it seems that you know fair enough they have implemented a set of rules in 2018 which was voiced 3 or 4 times during the press conference yeah we have the rules we have to stick by them we're slapping a nation with unprecedented bond like that but what do we do with it now we have no idea when they were asked about the world cup the fifa world cup in qatar when they were asked about different other you know competitions what defines a major competition as well case by case we'll see what the federations think they may actually contest this decision you know if russia fails to appeal in the us if

it goes to the us we're pretty sure it will but i knew. that you know they just sort of came out with this big bang but they no no do not have no idea what to do with it at all obviously russia is not the only country to have those issues right but it's the only one to having a band like that for the 2nd time in recent history but you know there are so many clean athletes here and i just want to listen to one of those stories because this guy is among those to suffer in the next 4 years apparently if we don't win the games his name is xander took over he is a skeleton 'd. late that we talked a little bit father could. you please get you should get on a bicycle and you call me will. not on the. commuter. the booth and this is. so that i knew we could have been mine you know. the thought of. this began.

with that we also. just but other. there are still you know below the middle that's the to be on the. still number. that actually made a good. discipline that might be somewhat better with the completion of the could you also point out the still shaky truth. and if you put away the going out. with a c. in a cause then you. go really washable it into the. mall of the 'd form or call it a whopper. yeah. it's been my i was

a cook if you will just put me on the porch most. still sitting near. i mean. now there's been reaction from the sporting world to the verdict the u.k.'s anti doping agency has welcomed wada's decision saying it's the only possible outcome. but that of the united states sun to doping agency has said that the measures taken by water are not enough branded russia's escape from a complete ban a quote devastating blow to clean athletes and the rule of law the same reaction was shared in fact by waters vice president. wanted a complete ban but we had 2 choices and i supported as long as we could get today i'm afraid that if we supported.

or didn't support the c.r.c. that i see with what. we spoke to and brown a writer from the sports integrity initiative a group with a large awareness of the details relating to the tampering with the moscow lab databases a few points on the situation with us. you are not innocent until you're proven guilty and i'm in anti doping until you're guilty and city can prove you're innocent it's a complete reversal of the normal justice system but it's always been that way you gotta think about what's on the world anti-doping agency has jurisdiction it doesn't add jurisdiction over the russian authorities it can sanction russian politicians russian. you know the consequent politicians can it all it can do essentially resell it and take actions relative to sports so it's come up with this international standard to code compliance by signatories which is used to sanction

russia this time around and it's come up with these sanctions as a way of putting pressure on the earth or it's used to come clean which they still haven't done you've got to remember the cooler arbitration for sport is a sport schools and the a peer is directed to the schools so i don't know how far it will go in really examining the evidence it will probably look at where the wood has applied its own rules and regulations fairly and whether russia has a case. that sports rules have not been applied fairly in this case and i think that that will be the focus of what the cast looks at rather than revisit seeing everything. i can think that alice cashmore who's a professor of sociology at aston university very good evening to you and i thought i knew the i want to pick up on something we just heard there from a from a previous guest and it is this the power as of wada and the presumption of innocence legally around the world usually people on trial are presumed to be innocent until proven guilty we're saying the opposite with wada and as i

understand they can do this they can and wouldn't be surprised if the court of arbitration for sport does about a lot of this good australian for sport remember is not a legally constituted bodies which quote quasar like legal body below it's put together by sports organization and if you look at its pattern of decision making of the past several years. you'll notice that it generally sides with the governing organizations decision so the chances are that if russia does this side to appeal this decision and goes to cast that is the court of arbitration for sport then they're probably going to resign with a bloody nose because the court probably say we're group with wider and yes we know that it seems to go against natural justice and that is presuming guilt before innocence but that's the way sport is this is the legal world this is the quasar legal world it's like the legal world but we have our own differences there's

a reason there's a presumption events in $7948.00 the un general assembly adopted the universal declaration of human rights article 11 presumption of innocence they think that that's how you run the world fairly well is this fair on what what what what you see what what we think may see happening is something similar to what happened with the caster semenya case she wasn't happy it was a court of arbitration decision it was it was very different to the current case of course and i won't go into it induced art but essentials what she did was then go to the supremes court of switzerland could evolve a tradition for support is based in switzerland and she got the decision suspended it wasn't eventually overturned footage but basically she went to a proper legal authority and said listen to my case do you believe it i think

that really i'm on the receiving end of rough justice here they agreed with her initially so it was suspended decision what we investigated but eventually they came on this down on the side that could evolve treasury for small russia will be faced with this formidable obstacle quite frankly i mean this is been going on now for. epic number of years and i think that russia's i mean before today's decision there was an assumption widespread assumption that there would be a blanket ban and in other words russia as a nation would be banned but so would every russian athlete be banned as well they wouldn't even be allowed to compete mutually that means but i think what's happened here is that what it in its attempt to deter russia from appealing this decision a said you will be suspended as a nation but individual athletes if they can prove their innocence they will be

allowed to compete it's as if they're saying to them you know don't appeal this whatever you do and we'll let you get away with submitting individual competitors that seems to be the deal that's been brokered here and my feeling good well i don't know but russia may not even bother appealing this. i would love to continue this conversation for that's all we have time for now hopefully we'll get another opportunity ellis cashmore professor of sociology at aston university my guest thank you like i will be staying with this story bringing you updates and more analysis here on r.t. stay with us. the meeting of the leaders of france germany russia and ukraine has started in paris for the so-called moment before talks hoping to thrash out a roadmap to peace in eastern ukraine. has more from the french capital. this

monday is a very big day here at the palace in paris it's a very big day for europe very big day for ukraine just a short while ago we saw the french president and manual macron welcoming his guests from ukraine russia and germany the 1st one to arrive was angle of merkel then it was full dimmers and then the ukrainian president and i'll tell you what we couldn't even understand if it was him for a moment because he came in on a plane run no minivan and the last of the 4 leaders to arrive was vladimir putin just an hour before that though a group of topless femen activists thought that they could try and spoil the day. now if you look at the schedule i can tell you that before the 4 leaders sit together in one room 1st

a number of bilateral going to happen and the last element of the schedule will be the historic meeting of lattimer putin and. selenski now let me just break down why the number one politicians from 4 countries are holding talks in that building i'll tell you what technically the bloody conflict between the breakaway republics of donetsk and lugansk and kiev has been solved but there's one important remark it's been solved on paper now this step by step plan that several years ago was hammered. out by the leaders of ukraine russia france and germany it's called the minsk agreements and i can tell you that for all these years from east to west from all kinds of politicians we've been hearing that this plan is the only way to go to support the implementation of the minsk agreement because the reason the

alternative no plan b. exists in my opinion this is the only way they can create a climate in ukrainian society where they were able to make painful compromises regarding the states of their own bias. i agree with the chancellor i've also said there is no other alternative to the implementation of all minsk agreements with help of the l.s.e. you however if we look at what's really been happening on the ground in reality pretty much none of the steps were actually taken and now there is a new chance there's a new government in kiev and that's why the quartet is getting together for the 1st time since 2016 but more importantly we are expecting the 1st ever meeting between the president of russia and the president of ukraine since the civil war in that country broke out in 2014 just after the leaders took their places of the table the ukrainian president forgot to turn for

a joint photo however his french and russian counterparts reminded him about the protocol let's not forget this is the ninety's 1st such meeting the nominee for summit leaders will hold a press conference following that discussions will be crossing live to that later to bring you right up to date in the meantime austria's former foreign minister told us the summit is an important move in the right direction. any decision that you take on the level of foreign policy in particular when it's such a delicate issue it always has. the mastic implication that that's very evident in particular in that period so i do wish all of those old all the very best to be able to start something and to wait for the dynamic that it can evolve but from what we have seen been seen over the last few months we already can detect some sort of new dynamic that's not that's not anymore the

complete stalemate that have been moved on the military level exchange of. people who were detained so something is going on what i have always said what is very important in diplomacy is that certain things happen. indescretion they don't have to be discussed on a daily level in public it's important that certain things can happen sometimes behind closed doors but that's where they can happen best you are watching are to international a good choice i think busy news day today stay with us for updates on our top stories plenty more analysis coming your way just over half an. i'm going to fulfill the repeated promises apologise to the people and promise to be you know we've all pots to. be

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