you could just pages a picture of what beth them is like go this year because obviously there's a wall is the aida refugee camp banks the woman in black the woman in black jewish women's organization protesting israeli occupation tell me what it's like this year chris it's christmas despite all the challenges and christmas this year was. very beautiful very light and the christmas tree at the end of me the bird is huge a number of attendants were there the tree of badly ham looked gorgeous the motor was the joy of christmas and the joy of christmas is this year all over the place in every city in the west bank in. love it for hollywood and i'm a large area called everywhere people are celebrating the joy of christmas the last time around there we spoke to may around one selman he described christmas celebrations in bethlehem as almost an act of defiance against the defacto u.k.

u.s. backed israeli occupation do you think that occupation is still on the minds of all the pilgrims that will be there celebrating this year well actually the wall speaks for itself the wall by itself is an occupation so when you look at when you're at the city you enter the city definitely there are of normal conditions however our persistence to conduct the celebration of christmas in the city of the nativity in the city of birth of peace it is yes a determination that we are there to celebrate christmas despite all the playing actions and despite all the american policy we have the right to live joy to live peace and this is what we express in our celebrations and through our message of peace not only to us for do not live. be is

but to the whole world this well you mention the war what exactly has happened to beverly arms christians over cern 86 percent. of christians of have left and the wall is being blamed for that as well as illegal new orchid patients around bethlehem when we talk about the christian presence in there in palestine and in general and the christian presence in bethlehem in particular the political situation since 967 enhanced and then forced and encouraged the degrees of the christian presence and migration of christians from bethlehem in specific many of the christian bethlehem ites before 967 immigrated seeking job opportunities and seeking better conditions other parts of the world including latin america the us the moment israel did its consensus all who were not inside

lost their national id number thus. the continuing political factors coming from the 1st intifada the 2nd intifada and the war mainly the war encouraged many of the young palestinian families to immigrate so we are talking about 2 very important things the prevention of those christians who were outside before $96.00 to $7.00 to come back as palestinian citizens to live in the west bank and gaza and east jerusalem plus the political situation ensuing the building of the wall which by itself prevents job opportunities it prevents normal conditions this encourage the young christian families as well as the muslims but actually due to the fact that christians are less in number it was more recognisable unfortunately in 2007 the palestinian statistic department

did its last consensus the number of the palestinians living in the west bank are 3000000 and in gaza 2000000 the number of the christians living in gaza in the west bank and east jerusalem are only $67000.00 it is even less than one percent and to be clear this defacto ethnic cleansing about as julian christians as predated donald trump's rise in the united states when you were mayor in 2016 you said the christian population to drop 12 percent that's 11000 christians leaving do you expect more christians to leave what with the threads of israeli arbitrary detention in the coming weeks even as we approach christmas definitely i hope not but another very important point that we should not wait for more christians to leave until we find a solution usually this is the question that is raised all the time do christians

leave because of the predominant. political actions are run by israel or the decisions and policy of the us the words the palestinian israeli conflict today my question is when this resolution with take it before strand with equitable situations where the 2 state solution that ensures the dignity of all of us palestinians as christians and muslims the question is not why the christians believe the question is when there is a lucian it should will take place to ensure the presence of justice solution football sites do you expect many of our guards as christians to visit bethlehem this year israel of course has been bombing at the gaza strip in the bus 726 hours definitely depends on the israeli permissions to the christians usually and

normally it is not a big number it doesn't exceed $100.00 would you go so far as to agree would say there was a university study that suggested there's been an actual de facto ethnic cleansing of christians because of the occupation because of discrimination and learned fair enough to let alone the economy which has been impacted of course by by the u.s. u.k. armed occupation and definitely the absence of a peace process and the just 3 solution for the palestinian israeli conflict affects the presence of the christians in this part of the world the conditions on ground creates combined of willing immigration but the conditions on the ground like countries cation walling checkpointing in bethlehem we have the highest rate of unemployment 27 percent the wall is that stress the checkpoints are disastrous people are sandwiched people are cornered and by

itself. this is discrimination no human rights are witnessed it is not the matter of that you live inside the wall to eat work and sleep no it is more than that palestinians are like the rest of the word are global citizens and what is up glide on every citizen in the world should be applied on the palestinian including its muslim and christian in habitants and population of course the british and american armed israeli government claims they need a wall circling jesus says birthplace for israeli national security you know this is a very important question are we as it by listed as palestinians in need as well for it is sense of security as peace is important for us security for israel security

is also very important for every palestinian the absence of security is also a very predominant factor for the people to leave the area usually it is always discussed that israel is predominantly need to ensure its security and that's why they need to build all this. actually within the ward inside the ward we live with this sense of insecurity especially since i'm not sure whether the archbishop of canterbury representing the anglican church as sent messages but pope francis i understand a sent relics this year from the vatican. legibly from jesus is manger you surprised that more christian leaders around the world are not making more of an issue the de facto ethnic cleansing of christians from bethlehem yes this is straight and dirty turn and there it is the return of the relic to bethlehem

is a message by itself immobility the words of the nativity church the words the nativity of peace today when the relic of the cradle of the nativity is back to bethlehem definitely pope francis while approving this return of the relic has a message. and art of the world a word that we need to turn of peace to the cradle of peace in bethlehem in particular as lot guess peace is absent from bethlehem as long as peace is walled in bethlehem peace will never prevail because the maimed act of defiance on behalf of palestinian christians and muslims and atheists and in other communities has been the great march of return in gaza how is bethlehem taking the news that on last friday is great much return some 64 civilians have been wounded nearly 20

children including a paramedic according to palestinian sources bethlehem is part and parcel of the palestinian pain what took place in gaza it during this time of christmas when we all pray for peace what decks place in gaza today while we are celebrating peace definitely enhances another meaning why do we need. to celebrate christmas since christmas is that message of peace we direly need. we are talking about children we are talking about injuries we are talking about as doers and definitely those people when they go when they conduct whatever it is considered right of existence. is very important not only focused and but for every palestinian the pain is our pain and that is a message to every citizen in the world during this christmas time to see what they explain it's a right to fix this since it's said out of dignity and very thank you after the

break walking in the air to morrow's christmas selection we speak to our late composer of classic christmas composition the snowman all the small can we have a budget of going underground. each simulating civilization would be able to run using a tiny fraction of its resources. hundreds of thousands millions of runs through all of human history almost all. beings with our kinds of experiences done to simulate that once rather than on simulated ones conditional that are good we should think we are full of the one of the simulated ones. facebook and google started with

a great idea and great ideals unfortunately there was also a very dark side. they are constructing a profile of you and that profile is real it's detailed and it never goes away turns out that google is manipulating your opinions from the very 1st character that you. type into the search bar it will always be one dog food over another one comparative shopping service over another and one candidate over another they can suppress certain types of results priced on what they think you should be see if they have this kind of power then democracy is an illusion the free and fair election doesn't exist the more rope we give them the sooner we're all. on the ballot came in 2008 oh there's a lot of money printing going on people said well where's the inflation the

government says there's no inflation you know and then a lot of people say well actually health care and education are skyrocketing in value you don't count and that's why you're misreading inflation and this is been going on for years. suggests. we found it we found the missing inflation. welcome back we're in the studio one of britain's most renowned composers how like as well this is iconic music from the snowman he's composed for everyone from princess diana to ridley scott to the united nations and tomorrow he plays his piece walking in the with legendary mensa soprano katherine jenkins at the royal. thanks for inviting us into your studio we can't talk too much about tomorrow's general election in britain because of reporting restrictions that hear about your performance tomorrow with the legendary soprano katherine jenkins of the royal

albert hall yes i'd like. to be off to do it i did it a couple of years ago. on the spur of the moment because. i have a dia friend musical director anthony inglis he said you know my bit of fun for you to come along and conduct walking in there would you do so he said you only live next door so a minute wouldn't be too difficult to get. to the albert hall and you being surprised about how successful it is i think you're saying when you choose hundreds of millions of hits millions of hits are very surprised indeed and in fact the week after the film came out it was nominated for an oscar but of course you have famous for many other things not just that iconic christmas composition but on the snowman i understand it was one of channel 4 the british read 3 new t.v. stations 1st ever films and you said it should be your music rather than any

dialogue a friend of mine a film director had come over from canada gerry parts and he said i'm just going to pop into this. animation studio called television cartoons. and we walked in there and the director of the company john kurtz he said would it be possibly said could you spare a couple of minutes because i've done a little demo of something called the snowman an 8 minute and a matic pencil only i said yes but i'd love to see it. so he put it on and the minute i sure this image of the snowman and the boy flying. i thought it's a marvelous image and i said i have had a tune in my head for years that i've never known what to do with i think it would work for this and i think more than that i think you could make a whole film without dot org and just do it with the music and jones said no no

i don't know what you're talking about so i say well can i do a demo for you he said if you'd like to and john took it to the new director of channel 4 it had literally opened that jeremy isaacs looked at it and he said absolutely bring that will make i think you know it was in a way it was something i had wanted to do all my life i'd always believed you could make a film and a story we've just musing tell me about bernard home and famous for citizen kane forever hitchcock how he kind of took you under his wing. burnet herman. through my agent lee's keys and she said to me would you like to me that herman i said i would love to because of course he is absolutely the doyenne of of film composers of all time with citizen kane behind him and psycho and so on and he's

the 1st thing he said me do you know where i could find a thera main in london and i said i've never seen one of them i don't want to get there i'm an affair i'm an. electrical musical instrument the it is also affected by me so i said to tip in a while i know what it does but there's a new machine that i've just bought cold a mood synthesizer and i've just bought it from dr american self. and it will do exactly what her brain does and even more and it's got it's got a ribbon control which you can control with your finger and he said great i want to hear where was it i said it's in my flat he said let's go so that's how by relationships i played on the next film that he did which was cool twisted nerve might buy the bolting. and he said would you also various pieces of

jazz need to be written for it i said to do what have i have a very extraordinary career in a way that i started as a as a classical pianist i want to see a classical scholarship the world economy. piano but while i was i got more interested in film and i got very interested in film 0 spent all my time in national film theatre to some. after i left the academy there was a projectionist i was there for about 2 years and then i missed music so much and i thought i actually want to know how to play it will be soul music and all that music this is the music if i want to know about it i left there and got a job in a pub would you believe where you had to play after everything one day i was playing in a band in the club and a guard came up through and he said would you would you do. would you would you

come along to abbey road and tune or dition i went along and i became a pianist in residence at abbey road and i also played on films and then it was the avengers film music pretty score they've put in so many different films you made the hunger the avengers was extraordinary because i'd actually started. playing piano on of inches and laurie johnson actually wanted to go to to leave he would he had always written me as if avengers which was huge was going out in $93.00 countries it was the biggest television show in the world and but he wanted to do this film and he said to burn it herman is a great friend and he said is there anybody who could actually take over from me and just well he said you know you're pinnace could and he knows your style and so i took over as as a musical director and composer at elstree so that that's what then led me into

from they i started to do feature films i started to be offered them all round and . another thing i did in the same week was i did a commercial which won the prize for the best commercial of the year which also brought did so but to work that i nearly died that's another story ok but then how come you may be transferred from film music to become in a way a kind of cooled composer understand you did the music for princess diana's 30th birthday how did you make that transition i thought i can't keep writing commercials and commercial music that point i moved to sussex and i started to study. serious music and chamber music and everything else and the music that i really felt was my own music i was it was then asked to write the duelist by ridley scott which was his 1st great film studio like you would with the establishment you

don't get more establishment than quietly. more establishment than writing music for the united nations organizations only it was about the u.n. the u.n. . i mean via via buckingham palace and and the foreign and commonwealth office the head of the foreign call them both it was our office called me and said we want we want to write a piece or we want you to write the piece because it's the 50th anniversary of the united nations president will be the whole of the all of the top growth of the of the you know the nations plus. the house of lords and a lot of m.p.'s and the prime minister and the whole royal family and i know i wrote it in fact and at the last minute i called it a charter for peace because it was it was written at the end of the war but general

smuts and winston churchill and i thought. offering to say this organization is to preserve peace but it was seen as controversial that the un off truly which is founded for world peace i for some reason i think if we had a vast array of media all lined up ready to film it and at the last minute it was decided from above that it would not be filmed and it would not go and serve virtually nobody knew about it and i i mean. perhaps the worst because i'd call the charter for peace is there is there a tension between being an establishment composer and famously played at the anti iraq war demonstrations in trafalgar square or spoken about un rights peace around the world is there a tension there no i don't see that at all i mean. i think the great

advantage of being in this country has always been that one has the right to express one's opinion and one has a right to hold any opinions which. which one chooses to hold and i have many very very unorthodox opinions all various things there has been a lot of. stuff written about recently that the 3 big anglican choral. pioneers will coax clear bre legend they're all dead now you worked with one of them. yes i've just been asked to write a piece for. france yes it made such an impression that i was also then if i could score for a large monastery in mid sussex. with 'd worth abbey at the end of

the said to me he said next year is the 1500s birthday benedict and i wrote this very big oratory. last about 70 minutes. and it was 1st performed in in worth. and and amazingly which is right out in the country to an audience of $1700.00 which was sort of extraordinary then nothing much happened until it was taken up by . so david wohl willcox he said i want to do this all over the world it is it is a great piece he called it actually a work for all centuries which was a very nice thing to say thank you a great pleasure well before how it plays of the royal albert hall tomorrow he'll play us out with walking in the air in a moment that's it for the show will be back on saturday with ledger journalist and

filmmaker john pilger to take us through the aftermath of the u.k. general election and what it will mean for the dirty war on the n.h.s. his latest documentary to be broken is next week he has how do with walking in the air.

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