the national health service the national health service even more even more than bricks it touches everybody in this country and. in my view it should have been the major issue that moved people during the election campaign now the fact that my program wasn't shown on the country's biggest television. commercial television network and europe's biggest television network. is down to the power of a regulator and what is the power what power does that regulate to have is it a power on behalf of you was or is it a power on behalf of all of of of powerful forces within this country in my experience over the years that's the latter. i want to

get to the issues in the film if you do interview those who favor the privatization of the n.h.s. in this in the break we're not like you're doing a one sided yields as a journalist of course i don't do and i never do one side to job that's pointless journalism there is so much one sidedness in journalism and so-called mainstream journalism there is if you like a huge imbalance. in journalism. one looks at the b.b.c. coverage of the last election for an example of that and so much else writes for the tabloids and their rather crude partisanship that's not journalism journalism is is taking is investigating something and then taking it to those responsible and saying what you have to say about this but not only that challenging them and having the knowledge to be able to talent challenge them not

just blustering them. blustering that's considered you know what to you come that's not that's not a challenge that's not journalism and that's what these programs to i hope that's what they set out to do and i hope that's what that power is in the 1st thing boris johnson said on winning palin was to emphasize the extra funding this conservative government will be putting into the national health service tell me about how you'll field explains how many seems to leak away even if there is extra funding for the national service well it it leaks away because it goes into management consultants let's take a prime example in 2014. something like well maybe very well but $350000000.00 a year was spent i think of maybe $600.00 beds but that's the ballpark we're

talking about that was spent on management consultants now that figure you'll never get those figures from the department of health because they don't produce those figures well they produce them individually for trusts. that came in from. the only comprehensive study done by the university of bristol. and the university of bristol in that study also found that right throughout the n.h.s. that wherever management consultants were involved. the they the situation was less efficient than other words management comes the the the influence of management consultants was negative and screw are destructive and for that the taxpayer pays $100.00 hundreds of millions of pounds and the example of the kind of

corporatism that runs now runs straight through what was a very simple idea that a publicly funded health of us would be would come out of the treasury would go to health authorities they would be in a range move with g.p.'s and the costs would be kept down that wasn't right back in the beginning when the health of us was founded by a guy bevan there wasn't any talk of management consultants or the kind of corporate manager real culture that is rife throughout the n.h.s. . i mean at one point the department of health didn't have a single original civil servant in that they had all come through the revolving door from the health industry from the private health industry so you have you have

a complete contamination if you like. from the from from the private private health care and private health care was there for one figure out today and that is the satisfied shareholders and 2 to make a profit whatever they say we don't make a profit says branson yes that may be true on the books unless we dig down into the tax haven in the british virgin islands and try and sort out what this company actually does but that's what private health care does now. up to 2 weeks ago. something like 15000000000 pounds worth of of l.h.'s money went to private health care contractors and that is old to you since the health and social care act of 2012 which opened the gates opened the floodgates to privatization this

2012 act you talk about in the film as being so central the conservatives and liberal democrats were in power but you say built on tony blair as labor policy the privatization contract of n.h.s. is the blaze labor blair is merely responsible for accelerating the whole idea of privatisation within the health service much more then the than the early even the early tories that the idea of well was more than the idea that the the the the commitment. to take back the health service from public ownership goes right back to the seventy's when factor was preparing for power and one of her most closest advisors nicholas ridley of far

right he said he wrote a paper saying that all industries all publicly just recently the health service. should be returned to private ownership as he put it by stealth footage of boris johnson in palm and talking about the need for health insurance within a few hours of the election results we had to always talking about it i should say richard branson would deny any tax irregularities and also presumably not talking about irregularities with brands that he's acting perfectly within the law are going to move to yes simon stephens the head of n.h.s. england just because he was once at united health care in the united states does that automatically mean that he favors a health insurance system style here which is shown i should say in the film accepted the fact that simon seaven spent 10 years climbing the ladder of one of the most repay shifts health insurance companies in the world united of health the

biggest one with a notorious reputation. that doesn't mean to say don't know simon think those hasn't or is reputation but it was he was it he was there for 10 years. he was he was committed to. that company's it also be very strange they would be paid in vast amounts of money and keep him there for 10 years and promoting him to the president of global health for united that's when the cameron government cope coalition government brought him back to be. to be head of of n.h.s. england. and some. he's represented that and i g.'s england very well i don't know i do know but during the coalition period part of which simon stevens was in charge has been in charge of the health of the name and

the most devastating cuts have taken place so much stevens himself has pleaded for an end to them we've got down to now. bought in the last. in the last year or so 17000 i may not be exactly right on this something like 70000 beds lost is now the lowest capacity. and when you think we have a population of 60 odd 1000000 going back to 948 when the health service began with a much smaller population they were they were approaching 400-004-5000 extension 00 beds and now there are about 130000 beds for. 4 for a population well over 60000000 scandalous john i'll stop you there more from john pilger and the dirty war on the n.h.s.

as well as the general election after this break.

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welcome back i'm still with john pilger who's film the dirty war in the n.h.s. with find be screened in britain days after the general election boris johnson says he's going to recruit more nurses within days of his election victory the festival royal college of nursing strike happened in northern ireland it should be said in your film you show what it's like health care in the united states. but since that horton part of tell me about what it was like to film there and what is the relevance for people in britain to show and the kind of images in your film but the film in the united states is has 2 parts of the 1st parts very important i think it's based on interviews. with people who've had experience. direct experience in the system that according to their own sources.

to the to the source of the medical industry in the united states insurance industry. effectively leave something like 87000000 people out of the system that is they haven't enough insure they have insurance or the insurance hasn't enough what they call in america deductibles that is. excess charges on it and they simply can't afford it. and something like and this is a very minimal figure. at least $20000.00 people die because they can't get treatment under the system in the united states there's no as one of the interviewees more every year and in every year every year every year there's no as one of the interviewees in my film says there's no as you have in this country this country she says there's no foundation of value and she

warns if you lose that you'll never get it back she said we in the united states and never had now we went to. why is in virginia right in the middle of appalachian former coalmining part of the united states where people live the rather precarious life there and many of them extremely unwell the health facilities. relatively. very poor. and every year wise alone comes an extraordinary organization call rand rip remote area medical it's like a pop up n.h.s. it offers free care basically free what we have in britain told yes it's about examining the n.h.s. i describe it in the film as the n.h.s. comes to town for

a few days and people to watch people drive from all over the country they drive interstate they sleep in their cars i interview people in their cars waiting then given the number and shortly before sunrise the numbers are read out and in they go and they go for. the most basic things dental abscesses that people of had for years but i'm going to say in the mining towns of this country as you know the general election the foam a bit towns they voted for boris johnson against the jeremy corbin project which wanted to reintroduce free dental care and reduce the number of a ties to contract element within the national health service why do you think that i can't explain that but i can say that. there was.

a democratic referendum in this country in 2016 and it was won by those wishing to leave the european union and almost from the minute after that election there was a massive campaign to deny the legitimacy of that democratic referendum and the whole issue of bricks that then failing to bizarrely but very significantly into the hands of the extreme right in britain. of which the prime minister is is one i can only guess that people who voted to leave the european union for all kinds of reasons. felt that their voice had been treated with contempt doesn't deed it was. in many ways there was

a class war. and why. as somebody said to me the other day the poor should vote for more poverty the sick should vote for more sickness i can't answer that question but that certainly happened you see statement aged media saying follow be it from it being of the right these were people voting against the kind of right wing policy of anti semitism from jeremy cool but that is what the story we're getting from the b.b.c. is they didn't like it on the doorstep the world similar story you get from the b.b.c. is not to people leave them there's plenty of evidence wired should not people lead . however there's no question that the whole question of anti semitism. by and large a bogus issue an utterly bogus issue accusing somebody like jeremy koeppen of being anti semitic or even others of being anti semitic. that he

perhaps some wisely expect to be expelled from the labor party was just absurd and it became an issue perhaps that says something about today that where so consumed by this thing that that propaganda it used brits called whatever you want to call of fake or whatever but that was that was the most brilliantly successful successful piece of propaganda and one political work and i don't think the labor party fort it. because in the united states obviously it's absurd calling bernie sanders an anti semite he's family died in the holocaust then this is a every to injure out how should it how should they be able to learn from germany corbin's response or at least

a bit isabella gages as regards the body sanders and them pain when it comes at them because it has started what should they what should they learn they have to stand up and oppose it they have to resist they after they have to understand that there are powerful political forces that do not want them to take power democratically it's resisting something that is false and the public has a right to know the truth about will for all your criticisms of the b.b.c. the director general all very quick after the election to defend his journalists and actually saying that that social media companies should do more to tackle criticism of the b.b.c. on social media because there's been a lot of laura kerns with the political editor and the electoral commission or talking about the police being involved with alleged bias from her and breaking the law or of a ghost of a trees on the part of

a system she wouldn't be in that system as noam chomsky once famously said a measure did that. so there's nothing out of the extraordinary report she has done particularly but the whole system and then for whole to come around and now to the point that the easy won the social media when the b.b.c. is probably the most. powerful refined propaganda system in the world. nothing like it. now whether it's weighed you know it's you have to be careful listing all the excuses. the labor party sure contributed to their own electoral demise there's no question about that but the fact that they had that one side in the election campaign had powerful establishment forces.

especially the mater arranged against them is extremely important to understand when clearly as you say wasn't just the media bit when shadow jones the german goal was interviewed the example andrea love when madonna was talking about the media do you think journalists don't understand supermarkets multinationals spend billions of dollars on trying to create a mood to support their products and in the same way media joe i mean the fact that andrew neil is considered some kind of. b b b b c. i call him is amazing those of us who remember him as murdoch's. editor of the sunday times and there is he's on the state broadcaster as. as as you must be interviewed by him if you're running for prime minister.

that almost in itself tells us all we really know about. because i asked within the p.p.c. joining the election cycle when brandished this leaked document about n.h.s. . n.h.s. deals with the united states and very quickly we had it within the british media that this could have emanated from russia you know what do you what did you make of all the breakfast emanated from russia of those sky emanated from russia the rain emanated from russia its eyes of i joke but it is rather grotesque now. and i've read some of those documents what they say is is devastating i wish jeremy called one another as it made much more of that you have . a department of international trade official obviously a senior official not

a junior official as they tried to say. and the u.s. . trade representative talking to each other and the british official is and i paraphrase i. say you. look just be patient all sorts of promises have to be my now brackets in the election campaign but later on there shouldn't be a problem absolute just duplicity duplicity that's how power works and that's why that's why julie in a song and we. have been talk about it. because they have revealed that underside of power i should say that doctors in australia of course are now warning of his serious deterioration of his health in a london prison but i'm going to ask you about. in the early days of the johnson

government how people should interpret it when they keep talking about the people's government they are going to work for the working class is the new constituency they are going to localize democracy what do they really mean well that you see these. propaganda terms if you go back to ever been a is the father of modern public relations who invented the term public relations as a respectable word for propaganda and even ok to go bulls but the british were much better out of their gerbils. using good words such as people's democracy even democracy reform you look at all the corporate words that are propaganda now drained of them meeting the word reform it used to be very positive word is no longer opposed to put. all the boards that you

mention i'm just making this wider point because there is a task for people now is to try on the code the propaganda that they're getting because that's propaganda and just finally in your latest film you actually delve into that the misuse of language and the power of these low b. firms just near as apollo meant yes well unknown to most of the public. around the house of parliament. the offices of socal think tanks lobbyists and professional propagandists all of them with one target the national health service they're actually clustered around the department of health and there's a revolving door between them and palm and and the department of health. but they they they use they have a cabaret. is is

a deceitful one that used words like reform. partnership. none of these positive to. have any real meaning anymore what they mean by reform is is privatizing and destroying. but they would deny that but they've created this extraordinary for a cabaret as they've created their own persona they hope of legitimacy. because they have some been a now people within parliament and so many people from the private health care industry in that apartment and the top end of health they feel they can get away with this this is brought to get out this is modern corporatism it how it works it's it's it's greatest and least understood weapon is

propaganda. thank you if you that's in a special edition of going underground you can see that war on the n.h.s. on the whole been britain and the new year see you on saturday for us season finale with full force and. argentina love it this country and phantasmagorical the people are extraordinary the government and the central bank maybe not so much the central bank but let's get into this a little bit more detail. i'm

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