it was about the national health service the national health service even more even more than bricks it touches everybody in this country and. in my view it should have been the major issue that moved people during the election campaign now the fact that my program wasn't shown. the country's biggest television. commercial television network and europe's biggest television network. is down to the power of a regulator and what is the power what power does that regulate to have is it a power on behalf of you was or is it a power on behalf of of of of powerful forces within this country in my experience over the years that's the latter. i want to

get to the issues in the film if you do interview those who favor the privatization of the n.h.s. in this in the break we're not like you're doing a one sided yields as a journalist of course i don't do and i never do a one side to job that's pointless journalism there is so much one sidedness in journalism and so-called mainstream journalism there is if you like a huge imbalance. in journalism. one looks at the b.b.c. coverage of the last election for an example of that and so much else writes for the tabloids and their rather crude partisanship that's not journalism journalism is is taking is investigating something and then taking it to those responsible and saying what you have to say about this but not only that

challenging them and having the knowledge to be able to talent challenge them not just blustering them. blustering that's considered you know what to you come that's not that's not a challenge that's not journalism and that's what these programs to i hope that's what they set out to do and i hope that's what that power is in the 1st thing bars johnson said on winning palin was to emphasize the extra funding this conservative government will be putting into the national health service tell me about how you'll field explains how many seems to leak away even if there is extra funding for the national health service well. it it leaks away because it goes into management consultants let's take a prime example in 2014. something like well maybe very well but $350000000.00

a year was spent i think of maybe $600.00 beds but that's the ballpark we're talking about that was spent on management consultants now that figure you'll never get those figures from the department of health because they don't produce those figures well they produce them individually for trusts. that came in from the only comprehensive study done by the university of bristol. and the university of bristol in that study also found that right throughout the n.h.s. that wherever management consultants were involved. the they the situation was less efficient than other words management comes the the the influence of management consultants was negative and to score destructive and for that the taxpayer pays $100.00 hundreds of millions of pounds and the example of the kind of

corporatism but runs now runs straight through what was a very simple idea that a publicly funded health service would be would come out of the treasury would go to health authorities they would be in a range move with g.p.'s and the costs would be kept down that wasn't right back in the beginning when the health service was founded by bevan there wasn't any talk of management consultants or the kind of corporate manager real culture that is rife throughout the n.h.s. . i mean at one point the department of health didn't have a single original civil servant in that they had all come through the revolving door from the health industry from the private health industry so you have you have

a complete contamination if you like. from the from from the private private health care and private health care was there for one figure out today and that is the satisfied shareholders and 2 to make a profit whatever they say we don't make a profit says branson yes that may be true on the books unless we dig down into the tax haven in the british virgin islands and try and sort out what this company actually does but that's what private health care does now. up to 2 weeks ago. something like 15000000000 pounds worth of of n.h.s. money went to private health care contractors and that is old to you since the health and social care act of 2012 which opened the gates

opened the floodgates to privatization so this 2012 act you talk about in the film is being so central the conservatives and liberal democrats were in power but you say built on tony blair as labor policy privatization contract if n.h.s. is the blaze labor blair is new labor responsible for accelerating the whole idea of privatisation within the health service much more then the than the early even the early tories that the idea of. well it was more than an idea. the commitment. to take back the health service from public ownership goes right back to the seventy's when fashion was preparing for power and one of her most closest advisors nicholas ridley of far right he said he wrote

a paper saying that all industries all publicly just recently the health service. should be returned to private ownership as he put it by stealth footage of boris johnson in palm mint talking about the need for health insurance within a few hours of the election results we had tories talking about it i should say richard branson would deny any tax irregularities and also presumably not talking about irregularities with brands that he's acting perfectly within the law are going to move to yes simon stevens the head of n.h.s. england just because he was once at united health care in the united states does that automatically mean that he favors a health insurance system style here which is shown i should say in the film accepted the fact that simon seaven spent 10 years climbing the ladder of one of the most repay shifts health insurance companies in the world united of health the

biggest one with a notorious reputation. that doesn't mean to say don't know simon think this hasn't or is reputation but it was he was it he was there for 10 years. he was he was committed to. that company's it also be very strange they would be paid in vast amounts of money and keep him there for 10 years and promoting him to the president of global health for united that's when the cameron government cope coalition government brought him back to be. to be. the head of of and they chase anyone and. and some would say he's represented that and i g.'s england very well i don't know i do know but during the coalition period part of which simon stevens was in charge has been in

charge of the hells of the name and the most devastating cuts have taken place so i must say that stevens himself has pleaded for an end to them we've got down to now . brought in the last. in the last year aside 17000 i may not be exactly right on this something like 70000 beds lost is now the lowest capacity. and when you think we have a population of 60000000 going back to 948 when the hells of us big and with a much smaller population they were they were approaching 400000 full 500000 beds and now there are about 130000 beds for. 4 for a population well over 60000000 scandalous john i'll stop you there more from jump

and the dirty war on the n.h.s. as well as the general election after this break. during the great depression which i'm old enough to remember that it was and most of my family were unemployed. and it wasn't it was bed you know much worse subjectively than today but there was an expectation that things were going to get better. there was a real sense of hopefulness there isn't today today's america was shaped by the turn principles of concentration of wealth and power. reduced democracy attack solo doubt engineer elections manufacture consent and other principles according to no on chomsky one set of rules for the rich opposite.

that's what happens when you put more into the hands of the narrower sector of will switch will is dedicated to increasing power for itself just as you'd expect one of the most influential intellectuals of our time speaks about the modern civilization of america. all of us would hope that if bin. but it's a behavior that appears even in deaf and blind babies even if you've never heard of seen loved. by your parents. and then we learn how to use this in a more complex way i'm one of the things that we. had to join in with love to contagiously to love even if you don't know why they're laughing. this is a sticker from the water bottle found in the stomach of a fish the brand is part of the coca-cola company which sells millions of bottles

of soda every day the idea was that let's tell consumers they're the bad ones they're the litter bugs are throwing us away industry should be blamed for all this waste to company has long promised to reuse the plastic. on. the mountains of waste only grow higher. welcome back i'm still with john pilger whose film the dirty war on the n.h.s. was finally screened in britain days after the general election. and says he's going to recruit more nurses within days of his election victory the 1st overall

college nursing strike happened in northern ireland it should be said. in your film you show what it's like health care in the united states. that's and that horton part of tell me about what it was like to film there and what is the relevance for people in britain to show the kind of images in your film well the filming in the united states is has 2 parts on the 1st part is very important i think it's based on interviews. with people who've had experience direct experience in the system that according to their own sources. to the to the source of the medical industry in the united states insurance industry. effectively leave something like 87000000 people out of the system that is they haven't enough interest they have insurance or the

insurance hasn't enough what they call in america deductibles that is. excess charges on it and they simply can't afford it. and something like and this is a very minimal figure. at least $20000.00 people die because they can't get treatment under the system in the united states there's no as one of the interviewees more every year and in every year every year every year there's no as one of the interviewees in my film says there's no as you have in this country this country she says there's no foundation of value. and she warns if you lose that you'll never get it back she said we in the united states and never had now we went to. why is in virginia right in the middle of appalachian former coalmining part of the united states where people live

the rather precarious life the and many of them extremely unwell the health facilities. relatively. very poor. and every year and ys alone comes an extraordinary organization call rand rip remote area medical it's like a pop up n.h.s. it offers free care basically free what we have in britain told yes it's about examining the n.h.s. i describe it in the film as the n.h.s. comes to town for a few days and people to watch people drive from all over the country they drive interstate they sleep in their cars i interview people in their cars waiting they are then given a number and shortly before sunrise their numbers are read out and

in they go and they go for. the most basic things dental abscesses that people of had for years but i'm going to say in the mining towns of this country as you know the general election the foam appeared towns they voted for boris johnson against the jeremy corbin project which wanted to reintroduce free dental care and reduce the number of a ties to contract element within the national health service why do you think that i can't explain that but i can say that. there was. a democratic referendum in this country in 2016 and it was won by those wishing to leave the european union and almost from the minute after that election there was a massive campaign to deny the legitimacy of that.

democratic referendum and the whole issue of bricks that then failing to bizarrely but very significantly into the hands of the extreme right in britain. of which the prime minister is is one i can only guess that people who voted to leave the european union for all kinds of reasons. felt that their voice had been treated with contempt doesn't deed it was in many ways there was a class war. and why as somebody said to me the other day the poor should vote for more poverty the sick should vote for more sickness i can't answer that question but that certainly happened you see statement aged media saying

follow be it from it being of the right these were people voting against the kind of right wing policy of anti semitism from jeremy cool but that is what the story we're getting from the b.b.c. is they didn't like it on the doorstep the well similar story you get from the b.b.c. is not to people leave them there's plenty of evidence wired should not people lead . however there's no question that the whole question of anti semitism. by and large a bogus issue an utterly bogus issue accusing somebody like jeremy koeppen of being anti semitic or even others of being anti semitic. that he perhaps some wisely explain to. be expelled from the labor party was just absurd and it became an issue that's that says something about today that

where so consumed by this thing that that propaganda it used to it's called whatever you want to call of fake or whatever but that was that was the most brilliantly success successful piece of propaganda and one political work and i don't think the labor party fought it. because in the united states obviously it's absurd calling bernie sanders an anti semite he's family died in the holocaust then this is a every danger out how should it how should they be able to learn from germany corbin's response ready sept isabella gage and as regards the bernie sanders i am pain when it comes at them because it does what should they what should they learn they have to stand up and oppose it they have to resist they after they have to understand that there are powerful political forces that do not want them to take

power democratically it's resisting something that is false and the public has a right to know the truth about will through your criticisms of the b.b.c. the director general who are very quick after the election to defend his journalists and actually saying that that social media companies should do more to tackle criticism of the b.b.c. on social media because there's been a lot of laura kearns with the political editor and the electoral commission or talking about the police being involved with alleged bias from her and breaking the lore of a person of trees on the part of a system she wouldn't be in that system as noam chomsky once famously said a measure did that. so there's nothing out of the extraordinary report she has done particularly but the whole system and then for whole to come around and now to the . point to the easy one the social media when the b.b.c.

is probably the most. powerful refined propaganda system in the world. nothing like it. now whether it's weighed you know it's you have to be careful listing all the excuses. the labor party sure contributed to their own electoral demise there's no question about that but the fact that they had that one side in the election campaign had powerful establishment forces. especially the mater arranged against them is extremely important to understand when clearly as you say wasn't just the media but when shadow chancellor jo my goal was interviewed the example andrea love when madonna was talking about the media do

you think journalists don't understand that supermarkets multinationals spend billions of dollars on trying to create a mood to support their product in the same way media go i mean the fact that andrew neil is considered some kind of. b b b b c. i call him is amazing those of us who remember him as murdoch's. editor of the sunday times and there is he's on the state broadcaster as. as as you must be interviewed by him if you're running for prime minister. that almost in itself tells us all we really know about. because i asked within the p.p.c. joining the election cycle when brandished this leaked document about n.h.s. . n.h.s.

deals with the united states and very quickly we had it within the british media that this could have emanated from russia you know what do you what did you make of all the breakfast emanated from russia of those sky emanated from russia the rain emanated from russia its eyes of i joke but it is rather grotesque now. and i've read some of those documents what they say is is devastating i wish germany called one another as it made much more of that you have . a department of international trade official obviously a senior official not a junior official as they tried to say. and the u.s. . trade representative talking to each other and the british official is and i paraphrase i. say you.

look just be patient all sorts of promises have to be my now brackets in the election campaign but later on there shouldn't be a problem absolute just duplicity duplicity that's how power works and that's why that's why julie in a song and we. have been talk about it. because they have revealed that on the side of power i should say that doctors in australia of course are now warning of his serious deterioration of his health in a london prison but i'm going to ask you about. in the early days of the johnson government how people should interpret it when they keep talking about the people's government they are going to work for the working class is the new constituency they are going to localize democracy what do they really mean well that you see

these. propaganda terms if you go back to eben eyes the father of modern public relations here invented the term public relations as a respectable word for propaganda and even ok gerbils but the british were much better out of their gerbils. using good words such as people's democracy even democracy reform you look at all the corporate words that are propaganda now drained of them mading the word reform it used to be very positive word is no longer opposed to pour. all the birds that you mentioned i'm just making this wider point because. there is a task for people now is to try on the code the propaganda that they're getting because that's propaganda and just finally in your latest film you

actually delve into that the misuse of language and the power of these low b. firms just near that as a palm and yes well unknown to most of the public. around the houses of parliament . the offices of socal think tanks lobbyists and professional propagandists all of them with one target the national health service they're actually clustered around the department of health and there's a revolving door between them and palm and and the department of health. but they they they use they have a cabaret is is a deceitful one they use words like reform. partnership. none of these positive to. have any real meaning anymore what they may buy

reform is is privatizing and destroying. but they would deny that but they've created this extraordinary for a cabaret as they've created their own persona they hope of legitimacy. because they have some been a now people within in palm and and so many people from the private healthcare industry in that apartment and the top end of health they feel they can get away with this this is brought to get out this is modern corporatism it how it works it's it's it's great trust and least understood weapon is propaganda. thank you if you that's in a special edition of going underground you can see john's film that he wore in the n.h.s. 1900 the home in britain and in the new year see you on saturday for us season finale with former employee and what year was.

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what the u.s. house had to vote on impeaching president trump on wednesday some are warning that the whole process could backfire on the democrats i'm talking about 2020. also this hour parents in the u.k. are angry after a school changes the words in traditional christmas carols to the morning. we get reaction to the story. and they want to remove it reference as well as be king and he says big savior if we don't have those things what so we celebrate the public space and the educational space as well which is secular it does not mean it is bereft of theology or education of belief or conscience but is include.