again brick city are led by emerged as a clear winner among our forecasters by not only predicting the election result which many people dead but the defeat of just swenson which virtually nobody else did but want to watch is just winston's own seat she needs to remember what happened to nick clegg in sheffield hallam when he was leader and he lost under the red corner a newcomer to our panel in chris williamson rebel former labor m.p. who stood against his own party as an independent and suffered the same fate as most other independents in this election however chris has some crude advice for his old colleagues on how to avoid eminent self-destruction i think is a say whether comes forward as a leader needs to go as i've already said accept a progressive people's briggs's make that all human repudiate this hold on since of the of the which and and infuse the members bring the party together before the new m.p.'s of managed to get their feet under their desks indeed before they even have

desks they've been pretty to work by their new taskmasters returning m.p.'s come back to a very different place the boarding is the same but inside it has changed and changed utterly instead of a truculent minority parliament we have a step for to simply with a huge majority of 80 super loyalist m.p.'s or is johnson is a master of all that he surveys no longer will little known m.p.'s be asked with breathless excitement by the media how they are shaping up for the next knife age for it they won't be any such words household names like on the superman dominic grieve will disappear from our t.v. screens perhaps forever but is it all plain sailing for the prime minister sometimes in politics nothing feels like success alex ross our panel how events are likely to unfold. i know i'm trying to read the ruins of the general election by a prestigious spinal of political pundits but i'm no column the rebel musketeer

bitter or bottom a rebel tory who ended up voting for jeremy called the chris williams center rebel liberal m.p. who ended up voting for himself and the embattled burke a rebel liberal who's the greatest black city other than the the rights of the liberal democrats and this to you. because you have won the prize as the greatest forecaster of our political panel let's have a look at you telling us what was going to happen in the election i stick by my original guestimate that the conservatives will get an overall majority with boris johnson i'll even put a figure on that i'm guessing a majority of 40 at the time you utter of these these famous words are i think just once and was 5 to one against to lose a seat so the 1st question was did you get money on the demise of the liberal democrat leader i didn't put anything on and i think that would have jinxed my predictions but i had one very good reason to think she'd lose i did the same thing

and i could sense the same thing was happening to her as happened to me in my seat in 2010 but nobody listened including the liberal democrats despite my repeated warnings that i thought she'd lose by a small margin but as you say i was right and was just once an open. my eyes a liberal democrat problems or were the people difficulties for the liberals in the sky she was half the problem i said here in this very studio that she wasn't cutting it in the general election as she just didn't come across as credible and it seems that every time she appeared on television her support went down so that was half the problem and the other half and she's got to take responsibility for this too is a ridiculous narrative they were saying that they wouldn't have a 2nd referendum despite having called for one for 3 years they were simply going to scrap bricks if they became the government that would be like. going to my old seat of commerce in saying we don't need to have another byelection to give people a chance to reelect me just carry on being the m.p. anyway and so my democratic is that the new chief something fairly dramatic in the

selection of me as the the rest of the country at least the rest of england was running towards borders johnson you were busy running to was generally carbon what happened. well i would do the same again i feel very proud of what i did said did i mean i exposed the one lie after another after another by johnson and one of the things about the next 12 months is we're going to see whether how he deals with having lied to the british public about breaks it above all but all serve a thing else. and as for version of mr corbin i thought it was the economic listen simple thing to do i thought it was much more likely to be economic security with mr corbin's plan of a final say referendum after the choice between a soft brick sit and staying in the mr johnson's plan of basically wes risking everything on a heart breaks in which he still seems to be encouraging but the great english

public look the ball is just now said let's guys all cable to the customer for votes they did and. it was a phenomenal results it was the most important british general election i'd say certainly since 1905 maybe more important even than 145 because i think it's going to change the nature of the country we are it's an enormous experiment and i hope it works because of it doesn't the consequences will be very severe for all kinds of people who don't deserve to face those consequences but it is an immense a moments in our national history because williamson you ended up standing as an independent in your own seat against the labor party to which you devoted most of your life but i'm really into. did you actually found out you had won comprehensively equal to the against labor party joining the election campaign and

you kept it quiet so as not to embarrass you all part of the liver tends to indicate to me there's something of a deep underlying loyalty despite despite recent events why we still try to protect the labor party given 44 years of my life to the labor party i believe that labor policies been the best vehicle to deliver the press of social change in the country and when jeremy corbyn was elected as the leader of fell we had a genuine opportunity to to bring about a multi socialist program in the country to for the 1st time probably ever to deliver a jet a genuine ethical foreign policy so i think what our position has been and something i would bid arguing for was to say yes we accept the outcome of the referendum and we our position should have been it seems to me in the in the election should have been in it to say we will deliver a people's breaks it that we should have in the on when not whether we're going to have a referendum as i believe because you there we made a huge error of judgment was in buying into this whole narrative that the labor party is a bigoted party racist party an anti semitic party and i think jeremy would have

been far better to at the very outset to defend his own reputation there's nobody in the house of commons got a better record on standing up to bigotry and racism the journey because when he should have defended his own reputation the labor party's reputation is as an anti racist party and i feel that we should have defended as i did numerous people but with one of those people like ken livingstone and many jewish members of the labor party have been specifically targeted left wing jews have been targeted for suspension and expulsion from the labor party it's only salute as a developer that's about it itself was a failure in leadership not able to establish the labor party's reputation beyond pella venture as an anti racist party but i'm interested what you say but but i accept is that in your analysis the difference between 2070 good jeremy called. as labor leader on a fairly ambitious manifesto made up vast grown during the election campaign and 2090 who have jokingly called banana and the bestest heap of my life is still made

how hardly any grown the toll is bricks at the key difference in the oh yes absolutely 2 convinced of that we should have been taking the position a stronger position than we took in 2017 and look in the end you know whether or not that european union whether leave with or without a deal is kind of irrelevant we all the 5th biggest economy in the world we have our own sovereign currency we have our own central bank. we could therefore invest in a big fiscal stimulus to deal with any economic shock of leave in your opinion and we couldn't say with other people's breaks that we're we invest in the economy we're going to invest the money fraction go invest in public services renewable energy renewing the infrastructure we could have appealed to people and given people hope so it's been really puzzling me as something i said you said in a previous program when you were isolating the fact that dominic cummings was trailing johns to score to provoke an election i want a quiet f that the opposition parties fall into why did they deliver voters just in

the greatest christmas present ever have in his life a majority of 80 a commanding position in the west was the part of you an explanation it was one of the points i missed the tourney blair was really right of but he said i haven't heard of a lection before bret's it is source it is an act of madness and the reason it was obviously the case i do think this is that joe swinson started this she. probably the worst leader of any well the party there's ever been i think. she was very poor that was and she took a very narrow perspective which was what's best for the liberal democrats not given that she claimed that her great thing was europe not what was best to keep britain in the european union and so she was a disgraceful decision by her then coburn fell into the trap and that's what led to its liberal democrat self interest and she paid a heavy price for that so i wasn't just joe swenson was that. the whole liberal

democrats were gung ho for an election f. what they think is complete idiotic delusion by the liberal democrats i know exactly why they did it because i was speaking to them they thought they could sweep up 48 percent of the vote 48 percent of voted remain and they thought that they would. have a massive lift just once and her team may not have thought she was actually going to be prime minister but there was seriously thinking they were going to get $100.00 plus seats and i think therefore that they were architects of their own to actually to do saying a seat going down to 11 seats rather than gaining because we have said you are there as a member of parliament what the north voices behind the speaker's chair saying after johnson was totally humiliated in the supreme court after they came back from america blustering even sweeping under his breath at the prime minister's question to look at this or say let's keep this guy hang on let's get in the speaker let's

find a compromise can the what was of no voice is there were a few there were a few but few and far between regrettably i remember being on your show actually alec a few months ago when we were asking the question well that will be an election before christmas i was absolutely confident there wouldn't be it makes no sense at all only for boris johnson not for any other political party i was well obvious about because they simply did very well it's a bit he want to be a centipede set the league agencies but have lost that influence the well that's very true very very true if i absolutely in a minority exile amount to a huge victory of a 47 of what i was 48 seats to know indeed in a parliament where johnson really is supreme but on this very show we were predicting something like this would happen boris johnson has played political chess par excellence the opposition parties have been in check continuously boris played a great game once not once thought di had been cost then it was inevitable what the

outcome was going to be and that's why i made my predictions or if i ended this half of the sure but i was forecasting some strong after us if that indeed were possible join us after the break we will start looking not of what has happened but the christmases yet to come. martyr means being in some ways similar. tool. the

traditional jewish and we all feel bad thing so in other words if my doing it is about being urban mobile i'll keep peace in the flexible physically for studious articulate and so on then jews were the 1st modern because that was their specialization. welcome back and i'm going to ask up to steve just follow the political pundits that they get there are forecasting boots on to tell us what notice going to happen in politics given the election result that they're all book but is just a master of all the surveys what happens to these must be surveys for quite a short period of time potentially i.e. the big issue is the the leave a prospectus for brett sick game to lead to prosperity and national independence and so forth will and that'll take

a little while to work itself out if it doesn't work i can see. real disaster for the conservatives because they will be splaying for having forced this outcome and then they will be blamed for having lied about it and cheated their way to an election victory which was a fraud on the voters if the prospect is worse than here they will be hailed as conquering heroes it was the last we ever hear of the labor party and it will also be over here when the of the lib dems and it will he will have created a new political epoch alternatively in 5 years time we could be seeing a smashed to a conservative party demoralized party and something like. all the candidates all the commentators and noting that coburn is finished well i can see the tories have led britain out of the european union and it's been an economic and social fiasco

with millions of lives ruined by it i can see this is the woman always saying this to my tory friends all along. the one where you want a far left government which mr williams that might feel happy in his blog going for a hard bricks it because you create economic case left and seek can make really use that and so it doesn't work then i think the whole political landscape could be very different in a few years time than it is now and it will be much more favorable to the left because one of us must be lucic to your use of in most of the analysts i know talking about back to 1803 were were michael foot was still badly beaten on or a socialist manifesto but peter oborne seems to saying that the tories might muck up for you're not alone the labor party a route back where they might very well do i mean and this was the worst election was over the labor party i think since 1935 but remember 10 years after that we had the most reforming labor government in in his little water in the middle there was

indeed and it will depend on whether or not you know the tories do make a complete mess of it and create a real a real crisis in the country but of course the other thing is if the labor party is going to benefit from that i think a lot will depend on who they choose as their leader we have now a membership which is overwhelmingly left of center a progressive socialist outlook in that sense and so i think the next leader has to absolutely buy into the whole narrative i think they also have to repudiate this absurd witch hunt which the labor party has subjected itself to because if we are going to be in a position the labor party going to a position to take advantage it needs a mobilized infused inspired grassroots membership to take the battle to to the wa the general public doesn't also need a leader with credibility the only carbon whom i have not as well as you have known for your 50 years and more never really convince as

a political leader other people available within the parliamentary labor party who can provide certain. it was a shock for sure about that but i think the evidence has really bear that out when you consider the fact that in 27 seen labor achieved the biggest increase in vote share since 945 and also remember even in this election germany more vote than tony blair did in his last successful election in 2005 i think is a say whether comes forward as a leader needs to go as i've already said except a progressive people's breaks it make that argument repudiate this hold on since of the of the which and and infuse the members bring the party together and frankly boris johnson actually gave a muster cause class in how to be a strong leader because he dealt with his mouth contents by removing the whip problem and i said to jeremy the biggest battle for the labor party the most important battle for the labor party was to win the civil war inside the labor

party and the mole contents are very small in number he had the overwhelming majority and i think if we'd adama we could have made a lot more progress level of leadership contest in the liberal democrats that there's not going to be too large a fielder's absolutely right there's no point in getting rid of malcontents in the dance because 1st of all there's no leader to get rid of them and secondly if you got rid of the malcontents there'd be no one left basically they've got a huge problem the fact that there is for instance lost her position could be good in the long run she wasn't going anywhere she's a nice person good constituency m.p. she was but she was no leader so that's probably a good thing that she lost her seat there was no quick way back for the lib dems that decimated around the country so i think i know who should be the leader and that person then needs to be inspirational but i charles kennedy really the kind of person that the general public want that liberal democratic will think that this person's all right the name i'm thinking of them around i was going to

a chandelier because if you're forecasting regular be you prompters road the country will be anxious to get the money on as quickly as possible and get a lot. other of i should say other liberal democrat leaders unavailable but perhaps not too many and. if i could talk to one of our flies we can find the ball as john says. how have a mother in law in happy christmas we must think of course that might haunt him in the new year no delivering a successful breck's is his key challenge but how about the celtic for each habit scotland and hoeber northern ireland other movements they have that make the prime minister awake at night well absolutely and one of the many lies which mr johnson repeatedly came out with during the campaign was no broader issues in trade between britain and northern ireland and he just said there will be no customs checks nothing and he kept on saying of course there are going to be. in it cause all

kinds of issues at the moment the land border 'd but that the sea border and i can see it causing resentment and disaffection and a move towards a united ireland as well and i and i feel that that i think he might have real trouble and do you see chris williamson in the was forced in the northern irish dissolves do you see it the cations that perhaps the the ice is breaking in terms of the political formulation or not and is a are we closer to a united ireland than any poll i think anything i think the election of the tory election boris johnson does bring the a lot closer frankly i think probably now though there's a majority in northern ireland and we saw in the election results of the u.p.a. losing ground in the s.-t. o.-p. gaining ground in northern ali it seems that you know that there is a move now in that direction so i think we're closer now to the breakup of the united kingdom than we've ever been i think intended to scotland is now

a step closer a united ireland which is something i strongly support is a step closer to i think that is something that could very. boris johnson awake an hour later yours and you were shot a set to stay for. one time will be joining the peace negotiations a process well if we should analysis of the northern ireland results it's not the problem the nationalists for the 1st time ever had more seats than the unionists but when you look at the actual vote the unionist vote was far in excess of the nationalist or the republican side and in that sense i don't think that northern ireland is unstable it's gone a little bit closer towards a united ireland but that's not going to happen for at least 10 years which is at least 2 general elections great so let's claim program of just a brief indication for me on my favorite subject whether scotland you 1st whether. boris johnson cannot afford to lose scotland if he has a allows a referendum and if the referendum goes in favor of independence that will cost him

his credibility that will be his legacy much more than bracks said so the big question is number one does he allow a referendum and they only do that if he thinks he can win it or number 2 does he take the heat by not allowing a referendum by saying well that was meant to be a once in a generation thing my guess is that he'll resist the referendum and if he can sort scotland out or goes far say he can win the next general election because he'll have kept the union together he will deliver bracks i don't agree with peter on that and as far as the skeletons in his closet concerned there are so many of they don't fit in the closet so he's not in any danger at his personal level either chris williamson it can be a deal with scotland but a stance i'm not sure he can i think it will absolutely resist a referendum because i think he fears that he will lose it however what the government is got my do is just organize their own referendum another catalonia situation are caught see boris johnson sending in the you know the troops and the police in the way which we saw in spain so i do believe that the likelihood of an

independent scotland is a significant step closer now you know what do you think peter how would a traditional tory deal with the scottish situation i will blow this johnson deal with let's just look at it from a scottish point of view for a little while i mean there are so many issues about. scott the leaving its largest customs union britain is leaving the customs union that's going to cause a lot of trouble of scotland lives that cost and its own customs union is because a good market that's going to be very difficult the issue of the currency your familiar as a great economist your you know but all of these issues is not as simple as all of that for scotland dependence and i must say as a unionist i sincerely and from the bottom of my heart they were of course one of the very few things we disagree on but i'm going to actually really know what next election boris johnson wins us a lot and scotland independent yes or no your 1st bitter ball is just as you win the next election no boris johnson will not win the next election and i hope that

scotland will not get the pendent no it won't press i think no boris johnson won't win the next election and. probably yes scotland will have going to send dependents or certainly voted for anyway boris johnson will win the next election whether or not scotland leaves the united kingdom is scotland doesn't leave then he has been a successful unionist leader and i don't see anyone seriously being able to teach him but the scotland does leave that's 50 feet opposition politicians to reduce his majority he can lose well there were a 101st and given these last forecasts summerlin the panel is going to be right so next year i expect to be playing back at least one of these forecasts which will look all the more likely to come to pass. this was to be the election which decided the united kingdom's european future it has but has it reopened the question about

the feature of the united kingdom for the 1st time since 1983 the tory party has come out of an election having destroyed both of their main westminster opponents and the like margaret thatcher prime minister johnson has the bonus of having eliminated his internal opposition at the same time but in politics there are always clothes which accompany the silver linings and there are 3 storms ahead for johnson 1st he has promised to get bricks done not only in the withdrawal the payment by the end of january but the future trading relationship by this time next year the 1st will not be plain sailing the 2nd looks like mission impossible 2nd few have looked to the irish results the losses for the democratic unionist mean that for the 1st time ever nationalists outnumber unionists and westminster m.p.'s elected the s.t.l. pure back in parliament having crushing bundeswehr probably closer than at any time

over the century since partition. 3rd the johnson arguments against a further scottish referendum on independence are way for thin the s.n.p. perhaps to their own surprise ended up with a bigger landslide north of the border than johnson achieved such as the border johnson has been anxious to stress that he will govern as a healing one nation tory even if the campaign itself was divisive even at this moment of triumph he may well in the quiet of tonight fear that he might end up covering but one nation is so he'll be remembered not so much as a winston churchill but more as a lord north the prime minister who lost the american colonies and adjust to that scottish dimension we will return in the new year when we ask the s.n.p. whether they have a plan b. to answer the inevitable johnson refusal of an official independence vote but 1st we're back on a mini series on finland this country even country has just about the best

education system in the world and has just appointed the youngest prime minister in santa maria at the age of 34 has just been designated by the united nations as the happiest place on the planet the capital it is the home of santa where could be better for the show to spend the festive period so until we see you for our christmas shoe is goodbye for me alex and all of the team i love very merry christmas thank you andy.

in the troubled 19 seventies a group of killings rampage through parts of northern ireland that was coordinated loyalist attacks on the catholic population tens of thousands were forced to flee their homes and what was striking to put these attacks was a p.r. you see the police actually took part in the attacks so instead of preventing they were active participants in the burning of the streets in belfast at the time more than a 100 innocent civilians were. as the review can seniors and we found out more i was surprised about the extent of the currents which the pollution was involved in some of those cases the killers would lead to be named. and i think it went to the very very top i think it is. the water where all the patients you know on the go ahead.

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