matter that you were going on the ground in our final show of this season coming up in the show time for the rich to have a cigar legend repeat floyd from the band what year was his son of a coal miner and soldier to sacrifice his life for britain on the pitch villages that went torii devoting an old etonian boris johnson as britain's $58.00 prime minister plus the britain arguably north by u.k. state mandated here in the run up to the 21000 general election offer an illustrated tape will not one illustrating living on the breadline bus from food banks to love sickness we speak to downton abbey actor and maybe director john talent about his new film pink wall an american love story in wales all of them all coming up in the final going on the run of this season but 1st in the wake of u.k. prime minister martha johnson annihilating the socialist project of jeremy corbyn we caught up with pink floyd front man what you waters via skype at his home in new

york i started by asking him about the end of the road for labor leader jeremy corbett obviously that was always going to come and it's clearly a very wise decision the powers that me be sorry have achieved such an incredibly efficient hatchet job on the poor man over the last few years in but particularly over the last year the chances of him abbott doing anything really extremely slim because he has been smeared beyond all belief that it's becoming more and more apparent that propaganda is almost the most important thing in our lives and the fact that the mainstream media arizonan boy very rich and powerful people and in consequence they may be that big coming closer and closer to controlling everything not just all the elections but everything and obviously the elections they can control they send in the troops you know and stop killing people

what's what's interesting to me is that who are what 500 years since columbus and just now this is the only thing that makes me. that gives me the strength to carry on in this fight and as this 500 years later it seems that we the people are just beginning to rise up now against the settler colonial attitude ship the last 500 years and that gives me heart of course are now in the streets of new paths being shot or in santiago in chile being blind dado by the pinkerton man we are many does all we need to do is to organize and to rise and to say no. we're not going to let you kill us anymore we're not going to write down quietly and we're not going to let you come in and rape and pillage our lands and steal will precious things that might be underground and some to distract. of near liberal

disdain it's over and you see it's happening in the lebanon it's happening in ecuador it's happening in bolivia up astute now it's happening in chile it's beginning to happen in australia as if as you say that have been protests around the world i should add of obviously the european union and the british government the british government certainly recognizes the what's being called a military coup against civil war others in but i v a but here in this country there was no youth quake turnout was down some people saying young people didn't come out and vote for corbin's green new deal for whatever the extinction rebellion protest of the dream do raise consciousness in the city how would young people know what their predicament is you know if it's given the state of major and way they get their information from it's almost impossible for them to to actually understand what's going on i'm not blaming them

but that's why it's a real responsibility in mine and shooting innocent is anybody who works in chair and it does move them me you old tries to. redress the balance of misinformation that our children are being given and that's why we have to go to ourselves now and remember that information is the elephant in the room but we have to also be looking over our shoulders because these men. will be trying to shut down and and julian a son is a big it's the point of that no. stick at shutting people are you mention as was there the day after the general election his lawyers were saying that. the british justice system is still denying him access certainly they're not aiding his access to legal papers regarding extradition to the usa for revealing war crimes corbin of course famously said that a son should not be extradited to the usa the former boss of m i 6 john scarlett

said corbin is more dangerous more dangerous than kim philby why do you think the national security state said he was so dangerous because the under the puppets they'll say were but they're paid to say that they're not they're not real people jeremy corbyn can read and has a brain and it's he has cognitive substance he can look at the law and go the law says you can't textured julian a son change. and story that's it that's the law the head of m i 6 goes not really interested in the law what the hell's the law got to do with em but when the shadow chancellor john mcdonnell he had talked about media bias in the election andrew neil of the b.b.c. laughed at him. andrew me ill. an injured andrew neil. one we all laugh up our sleeve at loud one well the b.b.c.

of course denies all bias. yet of course of course it does i'm sure there are even russian t.v. stations or chinese t.v. station there is but i'm sure there are t.v. stations all over the world but i'm believably biased in many different ways for many many different reasons but they are and we know they are and we can all accept it when it's pointed at somebody else i'm happy to say i get lost my news from r.t. i get it from you and al-jazeera but this is the 1st election that we've had the person trying to be prime minister who is a valid lee in support of un resolutions that condemn israel for breaking international law do you think that was a an aspect to corbin's defeat huge and i think he played it very badly i think he should have told them to f. off. because he he stands on the right side of the question he's clearly

not an anti semite i mean i know a lot about this because i'm also clearly not an anti semite and yet they smear me with that accusation constantly it is a bit like standing in front of a bulldozer. and they will they will run you down if they can and i do think he made a mistake not by not just saying. this is ridiculous and for the labor party took set their ridiculous what is a holocaust memorial interpretation of anti-semitism to include criticism of israel was insane talk about shooting yourself in the foot that's like the approach of going we don't carry more it's real we don't care about right and wrong we don't care about the law we don't care about the un we don't care about war crimes we don't care about any of that stuff we will roll over and adopt this

red dick killers definition of anti semitism but that labor party why haven't they britain under boris johnson gets close at the doll trouble level to the reputation of the united kingdom how much closer can you get johnson son of johnson's a complete buffoon if you haven't listened to the man speak. i mean his that's what's so really depressing oh hang on let's have a look into class 48 in college who's the dumbest here who do well in the working class of the mining because the truth is here in britain in the working class of the midwest in the united states a little 2 or 3 of them to the altar up. yeah that sets exactly right they do i could sit here and this could be going out everywhere until i'm blue in the face explaining the human rights and the law and international law and what happens to

my brothers and sisters all over the world and children matches and murders and the fundamental tenets those of the building blocks upon which we could build a just and fair and surviving planet in the future when they take a note is probably not that suffered so many years of being joe it's the blacks it's the puppy's danis it's the foreigners it's the migrants it's the russians it's the chinese it's the welsh i come from mining stock i'm from county durham on anybody who's not jeff bezos or. lives in penury or not everybody they're all thriving middle class is. every way you see ben they go from they never ever have more than 20 bucks in their pocket ever that whole lives in a nation special report corroborates that accounting criticize the conservatives

for for austerity the last time you were on you compared to society to all the socks these brave new world if johnson opens up big pharma to the n.h.s. do you think we'll get real so much air in britain that opioids. you've already got at me you know it's already wrought by trend but they'd they would just legitimize it because as we know opioids and anything else strive and if they thrive under the under the umbrella of the fact that there are profits to be made out of selling the show so the show actually having a downtrodden. average rate working class and got nothing to do with is the perfect environment. for sell it selling them some if the sack clothes are allowed to take over the nanae chairs they'll do exactly the same

thing that they did in the united states where and they are now being sued for billions of dollars but that case goes on at the moment exactly as of course deny all wrongdoing but away from all the pessimism then finally the alcan culture cheer us up to those certainly who feel defeated now in the labor movement here in this country music art and culture be some kind of salvation. well here's the good news ok and this is good news is that when something good happens it is not reported so we don't get to revel in it we don't get to bathe in the glory of our brothers and sisters humanity and b.b.c. i.g.p. they they couldn't be less interested in hearing this message we are all filled with love for our brothers and sisters and it will come out and part of that love

is going to be our support for our and degenerates brothers and sisters all over the world who are beginning to say no 500 years it's slavery is enough number of course roger the right wing labor that supported 30 blair's wars of their minding jeremy corbyn leaves and for john to the course he gets everybody supported war on syria so we expect more u.k. wars not ours johnson has this huge majority in parliament here of course we've got another blair they're both entirely attached to be a great american empire they believe in the uni polar model. of one amp controlling the whole world he will go he will follow the american empire anywhere roger waters thank you. you're very welcome thank you every christmas roger waters speed to be there from new york after the break christmas starvation in one of the

richest countries in the world the author illustrated on food banks being the price of bailing out the system and downton abbey strong gulen speaks about his new film pink wall about the choices we make in the name of love coming up in part 2 of going underground. this is this is a sticker from a water bottle found in the stomach of a fish the brand is part of the coca-cola company which sells millions of bottles of soda every day the idea was that let's tell consumers they're the bad ones they're the litter bugs are throwing us away industry should be blamed for all this waste the company has long promised to reuse the plastic.

on the. t.v. but for now the mountains of waste only grow higher. welcome back the number of donations and registered support for food banks in the u.k. is reportedly seem a sharp increase since morris johnson's conservative party won an 80 seat majority in last week's general election according to charities like the trussell trust on the biscuit from joining me now is kate milner whose new book is called it's a no money day kate thanks so much for coming on even before i get to the book i got to ask you boris johnson despite u.n. condemnation despite the 4000000 children living in poverty in britain said if ordered 1000 fewer children. when poverty says 2010 to the election trying to get votes what's the relevance of a book like this just before christmas i think boris johnson is not always known to

tell the truth he has expressed the the idea that breaks it will be a good thing for families which i think is clearly not the case so i prefer to believe the trussell trust and the report that frank field and allan made and the u.n. that chilled there are more and more children in poverty in this country ok so it's all it's a no money day obviously the conservative government will now continue to pursue universal credit which the labor party had opposed and wanted to abolish i suppose in a way that does the title come from there. yes one of the things we the public and i wanted to be very clear about in the book is that the mother is working she's not somebody that's applying for universal credit because she's got a job but that job doesn't cover everything she needs to provide for self and her child my own mother with lies on carers to help her and so

my idea that was for this parent was that she was one of those carers because they do a difficult job and they were long long hours but yes it was i think we thought it was important because 70 percent of the people who use the banks are in work it's not just the unemployed to rely on them to eat and of course within 24 hours 48 hours of the election result tory minister was saying that or a former tory minister was saying people should think you have private health insurance. the pictures in this book your illustrations show a society that seems so far removed entire i entirely i i i feel despair at what is going to happen to the poor working families in this country over the next 5 i would guess 10 years after this election i think it can only get worse and it's not really it's not very good at the moment because johnson says he

will help the poorest over the next 5 years and presumably this book is not just for people who are in these situations it is an education work to have very see this on the t.v. much no no and i want to very much not just for children whose families do live in poverty and have to rely on food banks it was not just about them seeing themselves in a book it was also about those all the children in the class i think in the average classroom there's about 9 who are living in poverty so it would be good if the rest of the class understood something of what that was about just defining terms what does poverty mean these days why why do you use a food bank and so it was very much about that just just helping just giving information. to children. but also perhaps to understand why it's helpful to donate to food banks why you know why that bin is

there in the supermarkets and why we need to be generous because yes i think it's certain that the what is provided for ordinary people in terms of education and health care and universal credit will get worse what was it like illustrating this book i mean people you know charlie from charlie and the chocolate factory comes from a poor background. and their children's books historically have shown heroes from poorer areas seems to be another dimension of poverty. well yes i think if you go through the book the child herself is fairly positive as young kids usually are she she doesn't mind going to the food bank because there are ladies there will give a biscuits and squash and a given things to draw with and she quite likes that she's quite chatty and sociable her mum doesn't enjoy it nearly as much obviously but the real kind of i

think the real sadness in the book is there to be seen if you're a little bit older and you're and you've got some empathy with the characters but if you could read it to a 5 year old and just say and just see the child's experience which is not that awful because she because some mama shielding her from the worst of it but there is a spread in the book where. the mother says the no sorry the child says oh i'll have a piece of toast but mom doesn't want to have breakfast she's not hungry and that's a sort of you know the child is just repeating what the mother is told and presumably believes it but almost everybody including children i've shown it to quite young children say think the mother really is hungry yeah she's hungry so it's putting into the pictures things to interpret about what their life is like which is not necessarily what the young child is saying about her life because

jacob riis will go until recently the where he's been the leader $1000.00 he said food banks are actually uplifting and show what a compassionate country we are. well there are lots of people in this country who are compassionate i don't deny that. we were just outside by the food back in used in and there was lots of food being unloaded and lots of volunteers there so absolutely but our general culture our general view of what a society is is not compassionate i don't think it's about supporting the rich and the privileged but it does nothing for poor people and there is a personal element to this you knew he was like the single burgess of yes i mean i can't claim to experience the worst of it because it didn't last very long in my case but i did end up. having to rely on my own part time salary with 2 daughters and i do remember that feeling of i could pay for the food or i could pay

for the heating but i can't do both this month and you know i was lucky i had resources around when it didn't last long but i do know that feeling of. kind of worry. and desperation a bit when you don't know how you can feature kids and there's talk of maybe translations of course austerity is it all of western europe but do you think it'll get worse i mean they already trussell trust saying record 1600000 food parcels handed out 801860853 day emergency packs went to children last christmas going is going to be sequel next year which will be even worse i hope not but i do i do think that where we are politically it's very likely that that the situation of ordinary people on on lower incomes is going to get more difficult breck sic is bound to. make things worse in the short term with ink even if you

think in the long term it may have benefits but i think you know companies are going to start to leave and. the things about the you which are protected workers' rights for some time in this country we will lose those obviously which will mean that it's going to get worse if people gave miller thank you. well we're now on british filmmaker ken loach's long championed the stories of the poorest in society from hunger to homelessness and he's an inspiration for my next guest downton abbey actor and debut director tom cullen whose new film pink wall has just been released i caught up with him earlier in the studio and started by asking him about the film so the film is about it's a relationship drama and it follows the 6 years of my 2 the accounts is generally on and it's essentially i look at my successes and failures. as a partner as i kind of move into or thirty's and the scene can the film consists of 6 scenes and he'd seen as

a year from. the relationship of this of this couple and it's told in a non-linear structure it's kind of designed like memory oh god look there's. i don't want to and i don't want to alarm you but i saw your journey ok now i shouldn't get too excited. there's no better from. here where are you going some people are bound to say especially if it has i mean you do you think you were influenced by ken loach's it relates ational lady is when filming it kind of alluded to the drug he was a huge influence on me as was john cassavetes. and it is a kind of semi improvised approach i developed a process kind of using inspiration from from people at conneaut where i had a script which is a very detailed outline and structure of what the film is you know what the scene

is and has its arcs the themes that i want to talk about and then i would filter those themes through the experiences of my actors. and we would talk about the those those themes and the arc and whether there is anything that resonates with them is very. initiative really and then we would start to improvise and i would then direct them in there in their improvise ations and i would get the shape and structure of the scene that i wanted what i'd then do is i'd create these very fixed bullet points which would be a thought or action or a line that they have to navigate their way through so it's a bit like a downhill slalom the the ski has to go through every pole to have a wider narrow they go through them it's up to them but they have to get through it as fast as possible.

on this program we cover austerity and this is set in in england you know we cover these 130000 people dead because of universal credit and so what this relationship breakdown you joy but money where do they get the money from the money does the the entrant no i mean i century that they're middle class. it wasn't a film that really goes into. class very much is very much a look it's the dynamics of a relationship. they both relatively successful working in the fashion industry. we see her start at university and then she ends up becoming a fashion producer and he is a photographer's assistant and just this is the metropolitan elite the boris johnson and. the dollar trump they talk about i have i mean i'm not sure if there

should we even care about i mean when you watch it the film obviously one sympathises usually with the characters is propaganda for the middle class making has care about the people that huge swathes of this country she is the enemy well i do think they're the enemy i think they're kind of the artistic class those are the kind of people who. would be out in the on the street protesting. the extinction rebellion you know or damning with faint praise. i mean you know i mean obviously you're an actor as well but as your 1st directorial as your directorial debut do you think hollywood would mediately love the film because it's about sexual identity about gender identity more than plus it's interesting because you know i wrote this film over 2 years ago. and we shot a exactly 2 years ago. and that was before the me too

movement and it wasn't really a conscious thing for me really i wanted to explore the gender politics of my own relationship at the time you know and. the pressures on women to have children i was really interested in that but also the pressures on men. who are trapped in a patriarchal system to to achieve in the press this kind of and to be ambitious and it's a kind of conflict with inside me really because i really want to be a dad can want a kid from inception who you can if raising your own image and who will just do it that's what you'll find pretty good and you called me on it while you be like that. now i must also ask you about another film when i was starring and called cost or in the ground we try and cover opioid the opioid rises with it's often quite difficult to govern without legal problems for the big pharmaceutical companies to leave it out of us so it's set in 2012 and it is

a kind of look at the the birth of the crisis when fan to know was flooded on to the streets it's a kind of very specific look at 11 kid and about how how one can descend into use and addiction and how there is very little support for those people and how they're viewed by society and how the exit routes. deal then will be ball busting in your favorite shows but this season don't forget to continue the conversation on social media just like why you channel america's best and i have you get paid all of us from the whole team to make going on the ground. what holds

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