in the mean time the price to live in a free world is to weave nor it to use your ability and your freedom to just say i'm no i just say what is there think you know and you really got 10 seconds left carol. thank you very much i don't see before have a nice christmas thanks mate on the show i'm afraid we're out of saw i'm bye bye. mary day merry christmas to you too yet the 11 in the evening here in moscow this way things look in so far russia tonight to thank so much in the show for me kevin and the rest the team have a great rest of the. you know world of the big partisan group. and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that made stream media refuses to tell more than ever

we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. so as the night before christmas and all over the world people are mining seeking individual sovereignty and obama just when you think. hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle the democrats in their ply and friends in the corporate media clamor to have trump

in peach for months now they are determined to slow walk it a winning strategy and the dangers of historical revisionism. across talking some real news i'm joy. my guest here in moscow dimitri bobbitt he's a political analyst and editor at me internet media project and in nicosia we crossed alex course before oh he is the director and writer for the duran dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to alex nicosia well it is the hall the day time and st nick hopefully will be visiting your home i have a question for you alex is that nancy pelosi been nadi or nice because i think her stocking at the at the end of the day is going to end up pretty empty or maybe just a rock go ahead alex oh i think it depends who you're asking peter i think that without

a doubt if you're looking at the hollywood elite new york wall street elite if you're looking at the squad and the radical left that yeah they're going to probably you know feel really good about what nancy did because you know they got their twitter s j w points with the whole impeachment thing but if you look at the whole rest of the united states everything else i think people are absolutely upset with it i think it's going to harden trump space that's that's without a doubt it's going to hard to trust base we saw that when you went to battle creek and did the rally i mean trump did even care about a piece of me talked a total of about 45 seconds about impeachment and the rest of the time he was typical trump and i think you're going to look at the independents who are going to say what is going on and he was in a rush to get this out and now she wants to stall and delay it. you know game of this very interesting thing is here is that i mean from my perspective my opinion every single stratagem they've tried to use against this president and i'm not i'm

not carrying water for trump here but every single stratagem they have used to tear this presidency down has only made him stronger now alex christopher just said you know this rush to impeachment and. right there the line you back off i mean there is a possibility that those. articles of impeachment may never be delivered to the senate and on top of that nancy pelosi watching the process in congress after all she's a speaker with jerry nadler and adam schiff how they played. their own very biased game nancy pelosi now wants to control the game in the senate that is that is unheard of and of course the senate isn't going to react well i think they're drunk himself also made mistakes which made these pathetic situation possible you know i tend to agree with stephanie cohen steven cohen who basically said that when trump felt you know these rushing to you gave things directed against him strategy was to

appease them he surrounded himself by russia forbes. sure you know vain hope that that will be there. when the democrats we know that there is a huge oh i do or we just standing behind it it's not just the us democrats it's by a hard as a it's my being and it's a lot of republicans these are people who basically do not believe in the united states as a separate country who believe in their you may get all the whole world on very very dangerous grounds but i think trump is right when he is saying this you know in his letter to pelosi 19 minutes after i took all of office the washington post said that i would be under investigation no after 3 years of unfair and warranted investigations 45000000 dollars spent 18 angry democrats prosecutors the entire force of the f.b.i.

you have found nothing nothing if they go back to alex and these men didn't. for years and this entire presidency the interesting thing here is that the articles themselves are are very unclear they're very. murky and when they were get were given the situation where palosi and company want more after they've gone to impeaching him with into articles now they want more time to investigate i mean this is completely upside down this is an investigation in search of a crime when it should have been a crime has been established and the trial should go forward i mean the american people aren't dumbfounded by this and i have to agree with you are very frustrated either you impeach or you don't but you can't do anything you can't do in what they're doing in between go ahead alex. yeah i mean the whole process was based on feelings wasn't it pierre i'm elaine even the main witness sunderland the only

evidence that you had in the whole process was trumped telling him no quid pro quo that's a fact everything else was just based on feelings on assumptions and things like that ed now you have palosi saying ok based on these feelings we find you guilty but now we need to wait a little bit to find the evidence in order to justify our claim of guilt they are playing games no one likes games in any relationship nobody likes it when the other party plays games and nancy pelosi has taken this thing way too far and people are going to be very very upset and frustrated by it because she's simply playing games with the american public it's an except alex it's actually even worse because if you delve deeper into it not just the simple minded mainstream media it is it's it's unclear if trump actually is in pete speak has it hasn't moved to the senate i

mean we really are in this never neverland right now and you can't that is a status quo that cannot remain i mean either you move forward or not this is what the mainstream media and therefore their democratic friends have told us you can't stop at the goal post even one of the lawyers that testified i forgot his name no i forgot the guy's name but he even said he even penned an op ed that said trump is not impeached until those articles are delivered to the senate and this guy was was testifying against trump you actually wanted trump impeached from the very beginning of his presidency so even he's saying nancy pelosi you gotta get the articles to the senate in order for this impeachment to stand but nancy pelosi is hinting that she's not going to do that she wants to keep this thing hanging over the head of trump the only thing that i can think of peter is the cherry on the cake for this complete clown. show is hillary clinton coming out and saying you know what i'm going to run for presidency that's going to be the cherry on top of

this in a year 3 years ok i said in my introduction davis it would any other gee i think we just got the answer go ahead well i think that the most pathetic thing would be hillary clinton saying since trump is not the legitimate president and that's what he said no no no he's not not only is he not a legitimate president he's not legitimately put in p.j. ok. and consciously again may dissolve well you know after 3 years of his rule she suddenly found out that she would that he was not legitimate but this is all lawful you know and again i'm coming back to trump's mistakes you know there you dear there these people would somehow be pieced by forbes like feel and he'll james may just. don't bolt on their idea that they would be a beast or simply wrong because there is no limit there is absolutely no limit to their actions you know they can go to great lengths in making their i think your

reality well i mean i mean the fact of the matter is if you look at the facts trump has been far more hard on russia than obama ever was. on ukraine than obama ever was let the weapons for their ukrainian regime something they're still didn't dare to do then just recently you know trump simply. sweeps company all ceased to proceed with the north to project and this is against all rules because the united states could not order a sweet company and to cooperate on all corporator with a perfectly legitimate project and you know the americans have been saying that this is against ukraine russia has just signed an agreement with your plane so it can no longer used as an excuse but these people they don't need excuses listen again trump is right in his letter. and he is 100 percent right here president selenski has repeatedly declared that they did nothing wrong that it was

a good form call that nobody pushed me but they don't believe zelinsky their own man they believe they were all even a feeling that someone who is growing intimidated to try to intimidate everyone alex let me go back to you nicosia at the end of the day this whole stratagem helps trump it helps him ok really what it does it closes the ranks of his base we have said on another venue on the on the duran then you know it brought out the best however you want to look at it the best of the g.o.p. and it's brought out the worst of the democrats and the media go ahead. yeah you saw that in the vote ok that the house stuck with trump 100 percent the senate's going to do the same maybe just maybe you have a romney type of situation one guy but i even doubt that's going to happen peter nancy pelosi wants bolton she wants more they need to be witnesses and all the stuff she thinks she did is just a try she doesn't run the try she has no right to do that let's let's see

steel let's see chalupa hunter let's see hunter biden let's see brennan let's see clabber let's see hillary clinton let's see you debbie wassermann schultz let's see them all take take paul to you know what has just people i want to see them maybe maybe you're you and i'll be the only one that would agree on this maybe nancy should hold on to those articles let's wait for the durham report to come out let's wait for that ok that would be a nice. ok because the way the pliant media is in backing the democrats they are only pushing one narrative the other narrative is the obama administration was deeply deeply corrupt and used the levers of power as political blackmail and smearing 42nd this was the 1st time for that 25 years i think that i felt myself

a soviet person i was trying to find the taxed of the left at the end of the american media and they couldn't i want to find a big article in the new york times which. like to hear a little bit more a lady in the hall is the only thing you need to know ok 22nd statement and so i think that shows you what you know when people have no access to information when the media dominated by the liberals is not providing even facts that people can use that smacks of the soviet union much more than russia will be ok but in this day and age facts are not important it's how you feel and it's something. and here alex thank you for joining us on this part of the program very merry christmas and i'll be in touch if we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stayed with archie.

what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. or somehow want to be rich. and should like to be close it's like the before we in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters in the hollow. there should be more. the world is driven by shaped by one person or those. who dares thinks. we dare to ask.

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so. you could lose money. under this. tree. or more this is. going to go down to true. welcome back to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real names. and now to london where we're joined by marcus papadopoulos he's the editor of politics 1st magazine all right demilich talk about historical revisionism because it's something that's very very important to this country where we reside in russia here a lot of here putin had an informal gathering with members of the c.i.s.

the. going to bring you know and they talked about he talked about historical revisionism particularly about how the west is changing the interpretation of the origins of the 2nd world war and that's not a monday in topic it's very important to go ahead well i think that. of course the reaction to the speech by putin which continued to fall more than an hour the reaction of will be negative in the well what did he say. well i would say that they will say that he is close to study and that he's interpretation is very much like the wild. that we've had in the soviet union and that simply is not true because fortune made every effort to rican syal. russia and the rest of europe he went to meeting you know that the polish officers were indeed executor of their own study and sold us he went to investors. in 2009 even though he

knew they had to point to russia but he has lost patience in this situation because of these resolutions by the european parliament or in their name of preservation of historical memory for the future of europe which in fact which in fact puts on equal footing right now to germany and the soviet union and when these people talk about the soviet union the talk about russia they never say. it but they don't talk about other countries are there any you know it's only a russian wouldn't would not just by the way go to markets here i mean it's very very interesting. i look at the origins of the 2nd world war in europe as a failure of the western designed system security system collapsed in the most glaring example of that is munich but if you look at the historical record it wasn't just the soviet union and nazi germany that side agreements we go back to 1934 germany in poland the u.k.

in 1935 with the of the anglo german maritime agreement then we have munich itself then you have the franco german declaration. in 1938 i mean it goes on a lot be it is well and then when we had munich when we saw our czechoslovakia being carved up poland is a part of that partition as well and it's a very hungry as well this is such a myopic self-serving view of history instead of trying to understand why the system failed what they want to do is legitimize not taking responsibility for what happened go ahead marcus. peter let me clarify something 1st of all the commonwealth of independent states is a family all sorts are no peoples peoples who live in the same country so many centuries 1st of all the russian empire and then the soviet union and let's not forget that in march of $99.00 so you want a national referendum that's right now to you in which 77 percent of the soviet

people voted to preserve the union of soviet socialist republics and in the ukraine the figure was about 80 percent now it's turned into the historical revisionism in the west regarding the origins of quote will to what happens following well it will suit in my opinion page this is the most offensive aspect of the west's attack demonization of russia because as we know as any what less hostile brain notes on outsourced and lightsome and noticed it was the soviet union sacrifices that ensured guaranteed the defeat of nazi germany for at a fire german soldiers died fighting the red army 88 percent of total wartime casualties were incurred on the eastern front against the red army and the guard in the origins all through while it was a well peter you've already cited many references to to demonstrate very closely

that there are other countries that play their very important growth net because in the forgotten a non-aggression treaty between the soviet union in nazi germany well that was not a genuine pats of friendship and now there are signs yet col so i have a lot to give him to give him a free hand to deal with frost that was signed by starling to buy more time for the soviet union to prepare for an inevitable conflict with nazi germany now that is something that is not going to be told in the west and we have to remember it's a day. because to me it is again a superpower and this all has to be taken down by any means necessary it's not means holding it was. so big that means include sanctions on the russian economy sort of big but i can only say this is the greatest affronts answer the soviet equal what the west is doing at the moment well it also you know you know came of

the thing is that the way to the reason they can get away with this because you have the political leader stalin and you have an ideology communism easy from that for the west to demonize but if you step takes take a step back and look at the geopolitics of it all any entity at that time whatever political regime was in russia would have done more or less the same thing this is what states do to protect themselves ok it's not that you don't look at him in a locker as a person as a country with virtue it's all about your own security here and this is why the west is romanticizing it and itself exactly it will matter size itself but it it when i say that i want to do is they go through this process of dehumanization because of a system that they created with the soviet union was not allowed to be

a participant of and it's their system that collapse they're the ones that destroyed czechoslovakia not the soviet union and not stone well there is a moral aspect to it all and i would remind our viewers that the soviet union itself in $1809.00 there was a special decision by the soviet bottom if we declare. it back to morrow and would deny the secret protocols to it so the soviet union had the moral and that raises that was in the new russia that was the soviet union under gorbachev you know but this was never to see progress. that unfortunately all of gorbachev concessions you know meeting. denounce in the ribbentrop by act they were all view by the european union by the united states especially by war and ass science a weakness that needs to be used you know that there's also war the pressure became greater with the russian concessions so in these talks you know basically

all the cards on the table he's talking absolute is in syria he said what would happen to the jews in the east important if the soviet union did not take that part of the country in september 1039 they would share the fate of jules who stayed in warsaw that is absolutely clear and putin said in his speech. you know when i see what is going on in certain countries of europe with forbit within day 70 ism and other things that reminds me of something and he is right you know if you did these not only writing let me go back to marcus i mean i find this. so bizarre marcus because when you look at the you know it's go past the 2nd world war and the behavior of essentially nato member countries going traipsing around the world forcing regime change against international law illegal occupation illegal bombing

and they want to go back to 939 and to make themselves look virtuous maybe that's exactly why they're doing it because they lack so much virtue on the international stage since then go ahead mark. and let us not forget as well pace us that in nearly 950 days following the creation of nato or the soviet union asked to be a member of nato and nato said or america said no now if we have to look in the mid 19th frets he's right up until the sun last night saint francis night is soviet leadership stalin so collect social security or france and britain but paris and london dismissed stalin's play for collective security why because they felt the red army was offensively in nets they also had this fear is hysterical fear of communism at least there are some sympathy specially within the british

establishment towards nazi germany yep absolutely there is this this story created at last can barbarism could threaten western europe and let me say also peter and i can hear hysteria now or westminster that would say what was the current factor in the soviet union spicher a nazi germany it was the stalinist system why did the russian imperial army collapse in one to one because it did not have an industrial base capable of supporting it in world war 2 the red army had a massive industrial base that was able to sustain it and eventually outstrip the output or to the german industrial ownership so that stalin ism which we can never forget the state since a start in his in the early 1930 s. but the greatest test that some innocent was faced leave it at his it well i am glad you brought that up marcus because that's why we need to study history because

it's far more complicated than most people want to admit or even understand that is a very interesting and very difficult not to untie but you're absolutely right you know damon i'm glad marcus brought up the summer. 939 because when you had the soviet union sending out feelers for some kind of. collective security with the west. you have a juxtaposition you have a have a british delegation they set off to go to moscow but they take a slow ship and they go through the baltic and then but the nazis were picked up he got on a plane and he flew there immediately stalin knew the soviets knew that they were no goodwill from the west and at the last 2nd they made a decision you could talk about the morality of it that's fine but the geo political political aspects of this very make sense well seconds from a moral point of view it should be admitted that almost all european countries

between 10331941 corporators with nazi germany the soviet union was one of them unfortunately but it was not the one that won and the big lie now is that in the west we hear that it was all of the soviet union the ones who were clean no almost everyone with the exception possible exception of czechoslovakia and that's a huge lesson. because the western powers allowed it to be broken up against international law they were not supported sovereignty and that is the crisis of the interim national system that they bear responsibility for their demands and all the time we have marcus thank you very much merry christmas to you we'll see you in the new year many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t.c. next time remember roles.

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