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tv   Going Underground  RT  December 28, 2019 6:30am-7:01am EST

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and you are basically a mouthpiece for a moment of civilians well in any position you take there are 2 powers if you have on your side then you are proven as an honest party the power of except limitation and the power of prophecy and we had both after 8 years everything we said to explain what was happening in libya proved to be right we talked about terrorism extremism tribal conflict western imperialist project in the country to rob libya of its well how does this excuse all the power for us we see because we talked about what things would happen afterwards the division of the country the continuous conflict and we have proven right on this front as well as for the charges which made it 3 main charges
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the air bombardment of libyan cities which were which was brutal and false almost immediately and the international media had to admit because they came to libya and . that is not something you can hide secondly the mass rape of 8000 plebian women the country has been under control of our enemies and the west for a chair where are the victims and where are the convictions and where are the trials after 8 years they haven't been able to prove any systemic rape of women during that time and then you have the charge of killing $10000.00 innocent protesters and the 1st 3 days where are the names where are the bodies of the most they have been able to come up with 25 people who were killed in the 1st few days we say they were armed some people say they were not armed but 25 people killed.
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old is not 10000 it's very rare to be able to speak to someone who interacted with western mainstream media jury what you call an imperial conflict what was it like being a spokesperson for the government talking to journalists who see themselves as simple as who complained you were raining in on the press censoring the war well we all been libya or the good part we controlled of the country at that time we were very transparent we allowed all hard questions to be asked i was a variable and the government officials were available 24 hours a day and we laid out lied to them no we never lied we always told the truth as of course we believed as we saw it and we responded in a very transparent way and as i said the power of explanation and the power of prophecy are both on our side everything our enemy is proven false everything we
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look at libya now 8 years that the west's control and the west's asians control what is happening in libya libya was one of the richest countries in africa one of the most stable countries in africa for decades leading africa's liberation libya was the head of the african union the head of the african european summit one of the most important countries and developing african economic projects such as the african central bank the african organization for natural resources the african unified army the african gold based currency and look at libya now it's a battle field for extremism for tribal conflict for western asians fighting for robbing libya of its wealth ideas of freedom and liberation. and sovereignty
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well if these allegations were presented to populations in nato countries is the reason for war were indeed false and you know the u.k. parliamentary foreign select committee in 2016 the the very high and we'll researched and well funded parliamentary committee and britain came up with many conclusions but the main ones relevant to our discussion they said 1st of all the accusations against the libyan regime were either completely invented or at least exaggerated and they said there were many chances to avoid the war and to reach a peaceful settlement for which we called from the very beginning 3 main chances opportunities were available to avoid the destruction of libya the 1st one was sending in an international fact finding mission for which we called from the very beginning i mean i repeated their request for this every single day for months we
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even offered to pay for the costs of this fact finding mission though the cost of $1.00 party or 2 rocket that came upon the heads of libyan children could have paid for the mission so easily no one listened to us we also offered to have an african peacekeeping mission to stop the fighting immediately and then lay the way for a national conference inclusive of all libyan parties the libyan government and the so-called rebels no one wanted to listen the libyan tribes met in the biggest national tribal conference in the history of the country attended by thousands of delegates and they all supported the government initiatives even those who were on the side of the rebels but the west was determined to go along with this. struction of libya because this is what they planned from the beginning the
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request you don't want your new you tube from those years ago but of course we're also 10 years since gadhafi gave his famous speech at the un a little over 3 on the 20th of september. so what are the real reasons for as you see it of the war usually imperialism what was happening that made according to you and supporters of the green resistance movement it inevitable that nato nations are trying to destroy a country well afshin there is no doubt that there were internal weaknesses in libya there where internal failures of the system we needed to develop our political system our economic system to be more inclusive less centralized we succeeded with this in the seventy's eighty's and ninety's but in the war in the
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years leading to the war we made some mistakes we centralized the economic power we centralized some of the comic power because we were pursuing a developmental program that was different to the years before but there is no doubt that this was not the real factor needing to the 2011 disaster in libya there had been a bra ject pan african project of liberation political liberation economic independence and cultural resistance not just an idea or a dream it is informed by the continuous struggle of african nations throughout the decades and by the great experiences of great african leaders such as patrick lumumba. and then some and then very different. and
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to the ones but i was told by the world well how our plan was real not just dreams because gaddafi was laying down plans and real project for the control of africa natural resources through the african organization for natural resources unifying african armies into one army called the unit unified african army and the central africa bank for which gaddafi was raising funds discussing with other african leaders the term tell me about the gold will libya libya itself is a small country $6000000.00 people but we had $100.00 than 80 tons of gold which is quite a great amount for a small country but to achieve african in the event the economic independence khadafi it was hoping for $4000.00 tons of gold to be accumulated for the gold reserves of africa and upon that he wanted to build the
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african center of the bank to replace the french central bank controlling african economies and to build up the african unified currency gold base to play with to replace the dollar and to build the internal organic. african economy and he wasn't just dreaming these things up he was hard working on them and he got the agreement of many booed african leaders and he was in the process of actually achieving these goals like for example the 1st african satellite was launched in 2008 and the 1st stages of the african central bank were initiated the african union itself was founded in the very city of sirte in september of.
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1999 the same city that qaddafi had made his last. i guess they're ready forces that hated the establishment of the african union was ever able to stop you that was a nervous wreck. oh go postal you're going to see more coverage of silver city because. he was going to go. there he was.
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they are wrong for the shooter want to speak with us that all of the shooting because i was standing right next. to me for hours before you got here. what did you 1617 years old so. i just couldn't believe monday's are losers plunder the spirit of truth. all through the. former it is close. to truth. welcome back i'm still with was abraham former spokesperson. you see the british government the international trade department the british government and similar nature nations say they share the goals of how you articulated to their.
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scribing them to get out free they are interested in that you you claim actually they are more interested defacto in helping al-qaeda nicest on the shores of the mediterranean well this is an old british strategy i have to admit it has bruford successful the british used it in their empire from the 19th century and then other imperialist nations got the lesson they have been utilizing it very well it's the management of crisis what you do is you come to a context of a country and you introduce chaos through war through internal conflict religious division i.q. patient whatever means you have and then you keep the chaos going you manage the crisis because through the management of chaos you are able to make sure that this context is weak in. or donated to you you can rub the wealth of this
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context then you can play the different factors against each other and make sure that when the game changes it changes in your favor so sometimes you support liberals because they are your agents and because they belong to a certain set of values you want to breed very well but other times you think ok now we support islam ists like what the west did in afghanistan and what they did in iraq for a while to get rid of saddam hussein and then when the game changes they go ok now we stop supporting islam ists and we will manage the crisis in a different way we support an army general or it's a game that has been perfected in the war rooms of the western imperialist centers and they do it almost like. second nature now libya has been under attack of the west for 8 years its supposed to be
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a democracy now have become tree helped and saved by the west look at libya now killing. civil conflict tribal war murder terrorism rubbing off national wealth what does that remind you that remind you of iraq syria afghanistan yemen it's the same story had billing every time and some people still don't see it for me this is absurd the truth is out there and it really pains me that people chose their hatred against someone like me or saddam hussein. over the truth over what is had been every single day for years and years and years but why is it taken you show a lot and talk to the media since the death of gadhafi well after the collapse of the country as leaders of the political military and
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culture of resistance against the western project in libya we have been politically persecuted continuous attempts to silence us and to imagine the lies our spirit how did you survive even because there are reports that you were captured. loads of reports. to the level of there were $211.00 generator. any truth in this no no i mean we have always been in the middle in the heart of it. but we have been working underground inside libya and outside libya with many thousands of our leaders from all contexts and we have been leading the alternative for libya and we have been talking to our people our tribes our cities and we have been very successful only recently in the last year or 2 the political scene have
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changed positively namely the whole conspiracy against libya has been exposed and many of the really from your perspective as we have a british diplomat in japan he still had absolute faith in the un recognized government called of course we have a lot of a series of this is this is generally what exactly this is for me where do you position the green resistance movement sometimes when i listen to european diplomats and american i think ok maybe some of them are genuine people and they don't understand what is happening but sometimes you just have to say it out loud this is a. lack of more ality these people lack any decency when they say that how could you describe a country completely in chaos in crisis with killings murders and bombardments everyday with tribal fighting with militias with terrorism everywhere
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a country that lived peacefully for decades and decades was one of the richest most stable countries of africa and the mediterranean and you come and you say you have faith in the national government or you have faith in the future of the here we enter into the realm of immorality of just plain indecency you know that people are dying every day but it's un mandated the government is controlled by a super powers the un is controlled and that what they do is they are part of the game. of the destruction of libya there are things that i say you my debate that no one can debate that libya is a disaster and when you look at the numbers of refugees tens of thousands of refugees drowning in the mediterranean since the death of good free what have you felt watching that all the news yes of course we are very saddened by the
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situation in north africa and the african side you see we had genuine projects for the african nations around the north african region and the salad area to actually contain illegal migration and to build national industries and national economies so the african people do not have to risk their lives and die in the middle of the mediterranean sea but for all of the alternative liberation projects that we had look what exists now complete destruction of the. internal structures of african countries of libya especially education system hospitals health everything and instead of the unified african army you have the african the african american command in africa you have the french force the g 5 s. and western africa in
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a state of the african central bank which would have the refugees and the african nations you have the french central bank and instead of the gold based economy you have the sub ordination of african economies to the global capitalist machine it's all part of the same story even the internal problems that existed in libya beforehand they were exploited because this what impact does tragic irony that in death exceeded your being destabilising european union countries because of immigration in the rise of the far right people have said that duffy was also not just a plan after africanist he was an internationalist he really did want peace and tranquility and development and cool core cooperation that's why he hosted and he was the
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head of the european african summit in 2009 and libya he wanted to build up africa but he wanted good relations with europe he wanted to create a new world order of justice of peace of collaboration but this was so hard for the imperialist bitterness system to digest a lot of has been written about the racism involved in the nato mission in libya when you knew. you and other ministers in the libyan government what it is say about why he supported. nelson mandela well mandela was called a terrorist by the british government declared as such by margaret thatcher ministers was declared a criminal by many western diplomats and even intellectuals video to stand his support for his support for mandela who defected libya oh of course of course
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khadafi was very honest and transparent with us people who worked closely with him and he said this he said to us make no mistake we are being punished for what we did not just for libya but for what we did for africa and many other developing countries and around that we are paying the price for supporting nansen mandela for supporting the black race for supporting real politics of revolution could definitely was happy to fight until his death he knew he had many ways out he chose not to go out he was offered ways out even by african leaders who visited him during the war but he said if he goes out the very ideas he fought for will die in his death his ideas will live and i believe. the
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ideas and the principles and the broad jackets he led will live on and we'll come back with such power in the future vision you say that but joe biden of course is going for the presidency next year leading democrat friends of hillary clinton what did you feel when you saw hillary clinton talk about gadhafi far from in those terms but the fact that basically. the real hillary clinton is a war criminal she knew what was happening in libya she understood and this was revealed in her e-mails that were leaked by wiki leaks she said very clearly that the charges against gaddafi where at least exaggerated and that the french were into this because of the libyan gold and because of their objection to what she was doing in africa but she went along with it because she knew that with
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the collapse of libya they will have the states and europe a greater chance of controlling africa which they did. the americans now have many many military bases and they have increased and intensified their dig for gold for your rainy i'm in asia for example for gold in birkenau fassel and for other natural resources the libyan oil and gas. and so the politicians they are nothing but servants for the machine. and they would deny being a war criminal and probably say she's being accused from the right of not protecting u.s. diplomats in benghazi but i have to tell you libya is synonymous with terrorism arguably to many ordinary people in later nations let's go to the area on the ground a concert and well what did it feel like for you when you watch the coalition on
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television. well of course extremely sad and it pains us that ordinary people in the west have to pay for the crimes and mistakes and blunders of their government you see when you try to manage a crisis a crisis is by nature a crisis you can manage it but you cannot control it 100 percent sometimes it hits you back as a system because you are achieving you are made. in goals you have to bear these consequences and take them in as they come the british and the americans can very easily get rid of terrorism simply by just not supporting it not funding it might be a thing it but they choose to go on these are not secrets i'm revealing to you in this interview this is known and agreed upon by all and factors but the west is aware that this is the game they are playing and they have to pay the price for it that's
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dares thinks. we dare to ask. today if there are good terrorists and bad that is the bad news in yemen the united states deems to be a threat the looked at those who are in syria the cia and the us military were engaged in covert actions really throughout the world. where they were assassinating populist leaders they were backing up the right way military juntas funding an army of death squads there's no. more because there's always a small. village called the. prophet.
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thousands of american men and women choose to serve in the country's military and the decision lives every song came to a complete. the day that i was right i'll be instructed he told me you know hold a shot i'll kill me and i see how it destroyed my life many screamed at me and he made me come in and you graham my arm and he write me with his birth thank you if you take into account that women don't report because. the extreme retaliation and it's probably somewhere near about half a 1000000 women have now been sexually assaulted in the us military rape is a very very traumatizing thing tat happen but i've never seen trauma like i've seen from women who are veterans who have suffered military sexual trauma reporting rape is more likely to get the victim punished to be a friend and almost 10 year career which shows very invested in and i give the sex offender who was not even put to justice or put on the registry this is simply an
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issue of tower and violence male sexual predators for the large part of target whoever is there to prey upon whether that's men or women. wiki leaks cost further down on the o.p.c. w.'s final report on an alleged chemical attack in the syrian city of duma last year policing internal documents that suggest a cover up may have taken place. also with our families of americans killed or injured in afghanistan by the taliban sue us contractors for allegedly funding the terror group. and a transgender physics teacher in the u.k. faces a storm of criticism for wearing a t. shirt that said trans women are met with. a very warm welcome to the program from all of us here at our team.

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