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the iraqi foreign ministry is to summon the u.s. ambassador in baghdad after sunday's strikes on iraq and syria which left dozens dead the u.s. has called it a defensive operation against a rainy and aggression. iran nuclear deal is as good as dead to e.u. countries bouncing u.s. pressure that's the message from iran and russia whose top diplomats talks in moscow. and founder julian assange claims he's dying and a u.k. prison client or a sedative subjected to 23 hours of solitary confinement a day. well those are the headlines and that's it for me for now i'm will be here in the next hour to take you through the latest news from around the world stay with us.
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hello and welcome to crossfire where all things are considered on peter lavelle it is a long held tradition on cross talk to take stock of the year that is about to pass we have a look at what moved us what changed us and what gave us concern for us 2019 the good the bad and the ugly. crosstalk in the year that was i'm joined by my guest robert bridge he's an r.v. website writer we also have dimitri bobbitt she is a political analyst and editor at interest me internet media project and in nicosia we cross alex crystal for oh he's a director and writer for the duran dot com originally crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate all right let me go 1st to alex. nicosia you know alex so much happened this year it seems like
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the the time lines get shorter and shorter and the pace continues at a greater speed here but if i'm taking stock here it seems to me the disconnect between the liberal liberal media in the liberal elites with everybody else because we kind of stretches out you know brags that 2016 that was a one off trump 20068 that was a one off and now let's go to this year the u.k. election that's a one off no it's not this is a trend that's going on here and we're all told no no no no that this is not a trend these are one offs i think that 2019 was the year hate don't you finally get it go ahead alex. yeah i agree with that assessment peter i think the main theme of 2019 was really the disconnect between what the media what the elites the globalists the permanent state the deep state whatever you want to call it what they try to tell us what they try to convince us of and what the people are
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interpreted as true in fact by doing their own research by going to their own alternative news media sources and trying to find the truth on their own time and no 3 stories represent that more i think that breaks it then you ukraine russia gate. and the story line i can get i think the biggest story is abstain the absolute is ation of the news here robert you know it's a lot happened this year what strikes you because i said in the introduction the good the bad and the ugly when you think the ugly i'd have to say the pietschmann proceedings that are going on against trump this is just it's unbelievable that you know the crimes and really this i think a lot of people are starting to wake up to the fact that the democrats what they're doing is just going after trump like this to hide their own crimes ok they're really trying to avoid jail time here are you go back all the way back to 2000
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you're talking about the. ministry of libya the obama administration with hillary clinton $33000.00 missing e-mails i mean it's just they're basically constantly trying to cover up with more and more lies with russia gate with the impeachment they're trying to cover up their own crimes that they committed and they're afraid of going to jail and i think the derm report since that could be. indictments you know we will see that in the beginning of this next year again so much happen i'm very curious what struck you about oh well i'm on the good things well you know i'm russian sort of death pessimistic. thinks prison exchange between russia and. chremes not the election although i do mean to lenski because he's not independent he's under pressure from his own knox's in ukraine he's under pressure from the west he basically we saw how the people voted for his slogans and the
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slogans were a bold peace and devolved improving relations with russia and iran suddenly he fell back into the rhetoric of course so we see that it's not the person it's an ideology that is driving these terrible war the bad thing i think is what happened to the yellow vests and what happened to their. the riots in quantum kong and how differently shamelessly differently in the liberal media reported on that i mean there the yellow vests the they were beaten by police really badly there were people killed and maimed and it was all fine you know it was not a breach of democracy in hong kong go to hong kong i don't remember a single protest had been killed you know i don't we didn't see them being named we saw them the protesters doing terrible things you know what will happen to you in france if you all killed by. buildings you know if you if you. send
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people on fire you know who disagree with you while they're fighting for democracy that's that it's that was bad that was the coverage was bad and what happened to you know all of us was bad but generally the movement is good and we did stay with a point here and the ugly ugly media just will give you good outlooks here alex every one of the things that were huge story that it was the biggest story in 2 it wasn't the biggest story venezuela and why go the random guy that the washington consensus danged to be the president of venezuela but he's still languishing and widow is still there but i guess you don't see that at the end of the at the end of the news cycle at the end of this year they've all but forgotten go ahead alex. they have all been forgotten it didn't go the way that the b.t.o. was hoping it will go to that media react only exactly what you did have if you had a crew and a successful coup in bolivia yet so you know it's it's really interesting to see
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how there was so much focus on venezuela but the outcome actually occurred in bolivia and that story didn't get much press it happened the coup took place morales fled to mexico and that's it we forgot about venezuela we forgot about the live mackay and of course and of course democracy try out the again i can't go to the military took over and that is a victory for democracy i can't get my head around that we're going to get interesting detail what was the difference between morales and my dual. asked russia and china for how and he stayed in and there was no coup and the military stayed loyal maurice was economically more successful than the door he was more popular probably among the poor certainly certainly but they didn't save him because the united states was no good i mean i don't think that russia china angle plays a factor. morello says mistake was was that trust the organization of american states
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ok and that was his big mistake here and then robert one of the things that you know one of the broad brush issues of 200-1000 is really the middle classes around the world revolting against neal liberalism against the neo liberal model we see it from in the middle east we saw it in the areas they import the yellow vests is a perfect example for a look at the european one but you know you can go on to south america it is very broad here and this is a reaction to that i always hear a page from demus script here against this neo liberal economic order it is not helping the middle classes it's help. being the very very you know is getting a war well yeah it's just corporate corporate power taking over if you look at the united states the unions you know it's not not not necessarily the answer but union membership has been down by like 30 percent since the 1980 s.
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so you have this movement towards and i blame it on corporate power the politicians just aren't able to get get a grip on corporations transnational corporations are completely out of control they're not paying their taxes look at big the power of big tech that is having a huge huge difference we've had over the last few years and it very few people seem to care because everybody's in their in their pocket ok and that's something that it should be very concerning here. another issue that it seems to. a lot of people's attention and quite shockingly is woke capitalism i mean i never would have thought you know and i get i always betray my age on this program i thought these companies wanted us to buy their products not their ideology go ahead alex yeah well capitalism and cancel culture peter i mean i think you know 2019 gave us those 2 terms and you know what you're seeing now in in the world going
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forward is you're actually seeing the neo liberals supporting censorship yet supporting big tech half of the united states is supporting this cancel culture and this will capitalism but on the flip side you have the other half. which is actively working to move away from this system and you see that in all tech you see that in the rise of alternative news sources and so you're really seeing a split between these 2 factions there is half of the us which is supporting this stuff hollywood wall street new york academia academia has a big part of it then you're seeing another half of the us which is actively working to subvert this and to move away from this in tax break free and that's the keyword to actually break free and a lot of that is person of fide i think of the support of trump once again half the country for half the country gets also in practice it half the country for half the
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country against so these you know these news narratives really really reflect how society is moving a real clear division in a clear split you know you know robert it's very interesting to me is that you know again when you look at the over the last maybe 2030 years is that now the media is an arbitrary they arbitrate these ideas and they're always very far left for an example for 2001000 they always went after these hate crimes but they never condemned for example in the united states ok they they were blindsided by their ideology because anybody that supports trump and i don't always support what the president have to say i give you know on the balls and strikes you know him if i like it i'll say it if i don't i don't but the media is playing. overwhelmingly biased role you know i would definitely agree and talking about this well culture this is slightly different from what you're talking about peter but if you look at the transgender you know of men this is the something that's being pushed on us
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through television commercials and we're not we're not allowed to criticize it and the media will jump on you and push people right out of their jobs if you if you dare question it and this is the tragedy here this is i think this is one of the big stories too of it's under played a bit but. this is one of the big stories of $21000.00 is that children in schools are being taught this at the elementary school level ok and if they come to their mother and they're not out there but the parents are not informed it is very oh no and if they if they tell their mother a father a boy tells their mother or father that i'm a girl ok for example and they take this they take their child to a psychologist the psychologist according to the new regulations by the medical association they're not allowed to challenge the child a piece of these children have a veto over their family this is an attack on the very idea yes of the same versing everything i'm so all right all right i'm going to jump in here i'm going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion of the year
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that was stayed with us to. one else seemed wrong. just don't call. me. yet to say proud to stay active. and engaged with equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. today there are good terrorists and bad deadens the bad news in yemen the united states deems to be the good. one in syria the cia and the us military were engaged in covert actions really throughout the world. where they were
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assassinating populist leaders they were backing up right away military juntas funding an army that's why there's no end because there's always a small. really good. profit. welcome back across all things are considered i'm peter lavelle reminder we're discussing the year that was. all right let me go to game during the break you had a an idea that you want to talk about so you got the floor my friend well all right . robert talked about children who is the person of the year for the time magazine grad. a 16 years old girl can become the person of the simply because she said how dare you but she said that in the right tone she said that
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to various people but look mr obama called her a member of his team america dined with her so she's case to gauge the right people when she said how dare you all understand who she meant she didn't mean obama merkel all of these people and and i think it's a very bad sign i would call it infant. or politics and media these sit here and who are there are other people of the year for that i mentioned who are the guardians of the year film and he'll marry your vanu which. meant they saved humankind they protect our borders of dangerous no they know to no war they did was to protect the deep state and the status quo and alex let me go to you because i'm glad i'm glad that we're glad it was brought up here because this is just another i mean she's a poster child for an ideology i mean i wonder what her carbon footprint is this is
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it's patently obvious this is just a propaganda machine here and it's using children again which i think is shameless but this is this is part and parcel of the green new deal and all this basically is is to complete centralization of government where you have lack of choices and and the takeover of the economy and they're doing it through children now go ahead alex . yeah and they'll continue to to use whatever they can to get there their ideology of crossing is really more than 90 ology at this point it's become a religion yeah but and that's the bad part is that they will use whatever means they can to indoctrinate us into this religion of neo liberalism the brule ism of corporate capitalism of all these things and they'll use children the good part of 2019 what i think is really good is that we've seen for the 1st time the foundation being sent for people to go to their own news sources to find out their own
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information we have all tech this is a big story that no one has poured it on but alex but the flip side of that i agree with you but the flip side of it is that and it's something you and i have talked about for the entire year is this growing censorship and that's something that a lot of us feel here and i think that and i think there's every reason to believe that it will continue particularly in the u.s. with 2020 coming up here and you want to jump in yeah i think that it's complete to right when he used the term religion you know in san francisco they have these huge poster or. she's becoming a more than saint and what are the slogan sort of the boys and girls who joined that strike you know that she called her stall global warming roll well that's a child affected you and you know you just have to ask something from their adults and it will be delivered to you to morrow you just have to get to really aggressively and this is the way they're outre liberal ideology works it shows you
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will some terrible images it shows you're some positive images and then they ask you aggressively are you against gratitude and work how can you have it be against children and then they show you a victim for example are the discontent that whole student and they say. against this person how can you be against the rebate is you bring up such a really good point robert because you know. you. can use children as props to propagate an ideology or a religion or a cult here but all the long the mainstream media ignores largely ignores the illegal war in yemen bordering on genocide and the inability of the chief executive of the united states from not being able to get 2000 troops out of syria. not able to and the almost 20 year war in afghanistan but everyone's talking about how great it is childhood was stolen from
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her from what i understand she had a pretty good childhood anyway. you see my point here is that you it you have this bipartisan backing of these illegal wars the trump actually ran against and it shows how powerless he is all now and that's when they take this other initiative and push it in the forefront in the talk about these illegal wars and yeah it's just it's just complete distraction using children using raw emotions there's no there's no basis in science about what she's saying she gets up in front of the united nations and she screams and she rails and all the adults is a little fish is not. just yet everybody so maybe really but also try and look after backed up by capitalism maybe but we'll see in the near future is 18 year olds running for president of countries and prime ministers until i think this is the point i mean they seem to be on your criticisms example you know approaching who told us about the end of history francis fukuyama what is he doing now he's
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teaching in ukraine teaching of their members of your brain your bottom line and why is he doing that vice you sure that's against world cup success because he just 41 and the people in the parliament who represent his party most of them are under 35 so it's all a bit you know about all of that he has a chance to make a fool out of himself again let me go back to you and make us the my person of the year interesting only enough. gabbert because she's got guts ok i probably wouldn't agree with her on most of her social issues ok but she stuck to her guns being a veteran of these illegal wars and she's she says what is true and she has in she's pushed back you had the clinton machine dumped on her and she very effectively pushed back she pushed out of the race about harris to a large extent i mean there is a person of gravity to us and she's dumped on by the media go ahead alex. remember
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kemal harris was the chosen one it was going to be the next obama told c gabbert took her out with one shot and the fact that she pushed back against the clinton machine was amazing i mean that one everybody over to toss it gabbert and if i can just go back to the previous topic peter using children and using whatever means necessary yet children are good yeah we have to believe children until you get to the epstein case in which case the media and all the neo liberals in the globalist don't want to talk about it but i think we have just in case perfectly so i mean this is going on but you have to believe that children isn't that an echo of the me too movement don't you think it's the same stratagem that is being used here victims yeah yeah everywhere. but also i would say there. are the terrible story of the year is that the mainstream media has been able to continue pushing this story evolved special friendship between trump and you know.
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i am quote and. i'm quoting fred kaplan here trump who in over putin nothing like that happened you know look at that image just look at their sonnets tax and look at trump's actions you know if you continue as you are there's testimony again thank you yeah but it doesn't work any other that the media continuous pushing that story even if you don't want it you know and. people we're all victims of the media in this situation because we don't want to consume this story but they are pushed on us you know you know robert i'm really glad the move brought that up because they can't they invested too much into these conspiracy theories i mean it was i mean they look at us as conspiracy theories we look at facts and we throw it right back at them but they don't even want to acknowledge facts i mean this whole ukraine gate for example if there is a ukraine gate it's the by family ok not some kind of transcript between 2
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presidents that was made public but you see how the media manipulates it in turns it upside down i mean these are true believers and i don't think they they believe that they're lying that their problem is they can't move away from this ideological grip that surrounds them you know and that's how i think that we're going to have problems changing the system in the future i mean i'm on twitter i'm on facebook i'm on you tube and these people who i'm following and alex has been talking about you know the media and how we have alternative news now but i really i'm afraid what the future holds in terms of what you're talking about peter about censorship because it's just every day people are following on twitter to get different views therefore they're following that by the wayside you tube channels are getting axed facebook they're being banned so that's that's very disturbing and even i believe i'm not sure if it's true but i've even heard that george soros for example has bragged that next year there's not going to be any any real opposition to donald
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trump you won't be able to find any opposition on social media they're just going to get rid of all the top the top voices and i see that coming i say see it physically whenever i'm on social media very interesting point robert let me go back to alex and nicosia you know i hate to be pessimistic ending this program here but what robert is basically described is when we have been hearing for a while now particularly in this year that's about to end is a growing cultural civil war where you have. 2 major blocks that are not willing to listen to each other as a matter of fact don't respect each other and this is a very dangerous path that we're going on because i see very little reconciliation some of fact just the opposite i see a lot of digging in of heels so you've already alluded to this in this program go ahead alex. yeah i mean you know what we're seeing right now peter's going to probably get worse going into 2020 because we have the election year what we're seeing is we're seeing the elites and the media establishment pretty much saying either buy into our narrative or you're going to be canceled you know let's
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remember member when cuomo was on c.n.n. and he was talking about leaks in the e-mails and he says no no you're not allowed to not allowed it we'll interpret it for a you will exactly will interpret it and then you have epstein now in there saying no no no he really did he really did kill himself you have to believe it and then you have quid pro quo no bided biden didn't do anything that's been debunked but trumbo trump commit all kinds of crimes even though we have a transcript and the transcript says nothing about quid pro quo and then you have assad assad gassed his people gassed his people what do you have the o.p.c. w. example effector saying no that really didn't happen and then of course brags that you have to leave if the u.k. leaves the e.u. peter it's going to implode there's going to be disaster we can't leave the e.u. we have to have another vote so i mean either by the narrative or you're going to be canceled your conspiracy theorist whatever they want to label you i think it's going to accelerate into 302030 seconds fema well unfortunately i don't see
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anything good coming in the next few months media wise you know because i think the records have been broken and sad and broken this year i think the collapse of a real investigation the ukraine gate and the lies in america everything well it's kind of the fact of where are we eating pizza. or is he not impeached here and i mean this is this is something that's amazing here but this is again muddying the water waters and it's really creating a lot of tension here how the country once you see a man go the other one wants to get that down to the people's business and we're stuck until next year that's all the time we have many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in nicosia and thanks to. viewers for watching us here r.t.c. you next time remember.
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on may 3rd of 2003 the ambassador of switzerland to turn around delivers a letter from iran to the united states. in that letter the iranians essentially offer negotiations to open up the nuclear program for full transparency. the proposal came in i happened to see it's because it was also given to a member of congress that i worked for at the time. he sent it over to the white house and called rove called rove called back he said that he found the proposal intriguing he wanted to know if it was genuine were a promise to put it in front of the president i would call karl rove a dear friend. i've seen him a to far sighted courage put america on a war footing. and protect us against
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a brutal enemy in a dangerous conflict that will shape this new century no formal response was given to the iranians at all i'm grateful to have been witness to history. and the argument was that whatever could come out of a negotiation with the iranians. even more could be achieved by simply removing the regime in iraq. in a way to sum up the arguments however the principle in the bush administration said that we simply do not talk to evil. and as tony zinni said former central command commander if you like the rock you'll love iraq that is a 10 to 14 year 3 to $4.00 trillion dollar invasion at the end of which the world western asia will look not much.

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