half of my family. putting up on the interstate the top of the house was straight out of the you can't eat out what it takes not by the shrub and away from the case and i joined an embrace about how about free to your brains to place up with a space for them on the case of the big case concept of. truths in. the same. instant. so i want to start this all 1st of all. you've got an incredible amount of passion and energy in your music and in your art and that really comes through and someone watches you perform like we just did i mean truly an inspirational so i will i really want to start with asking you who is the 5 defy and see music

producer artist educator from albuquerque new mexico representing the dinette nation defies also if you broke it break it down into acronym could be definitely eternal or deaf eternal forever inferno are definitely eternal forever internal short for definition rare. if you look at a sonic leaking to high 55 and somewhere in there is doubt 5 or to defy the 5 began probably in my middle school time and i've stuck with the name ever since so what like what was your inspiration and experience that. led you to bring in you know hip hop spoken word hip hop and traditional native american culture together in your are like what brought those 2 forces together. i think it would be a combination of livin in a urban and rural area and environments as a youth wasn't raised primarily i'm from a traditional side nor. you know the other side of things so basically. as

a youth my grandparents on my maternal side they really instilled a lot of wisdom when i was at a lesson my mother also taught me how to read and write before i could walk so they gave me a good leading start to begin with in middle school i'd say about that time i got introduced to hip hop culture as far as like the b. boy b. girl cipher circuit i seen a direct similarities and connection between hip hop culture and my traditional culture as a dinette person and that both of those connections led me to kind of combine both together what were the similarities of your for instance as a dinette person we have 4 clans were very. lineal culture and our reservation this around about 4 sacred mountains for sacred directions a lot of these numbers stood out to me and from hip hop the 4 main elements to it. one of the main connections that really led me to become connected we have is. the

philosophies too as well like our people were not very judgment on this much for the most part and hip hop kind of is and is a universal culture to me so without having to look at someone's skin tones and hip hop practitioners can practice the ceremonies and feel like that was inviting for me a lot of times it was hard to find acceptance growing up there in new mexico where i'm from so hip hop was there so i always carry my cultural heritage with me and then it's interesting you you raised over a 1000000 dollars a big number you raised the room 1000000 dollars to help the water protectors of standing rock when that went down what was your inspiration for stepping forward and saying you know what i'm going to use my argument to use who i am and what i do to raise money for those people out there putting you know put their lives on the line it's very wrong. you know i was a part of the fund raising i didn't do it entirely myself i've got to give credit to the collective crew family would you say of. hip hop practitioners people who

are just there to help and we all together fund raise over a 1000000 dollars in one night hip hop concert by texting water at this certain number you able to leave a monetary donation just a little back story with that but i started out as a battle rapper 1st and i've seen the entertainment value side of that but after a while i realized that i could apply myself in much more useful ways are much more impactful ways rather than that i think someone's head to head why not try to go towards the system instead and try to wake up and defy the system sort of speak and . that's kind of how defy started i did a song when i 1st was inspired and. these hydraulic fracturing zones were getting closer and closer to my homelands where my grandparents are from this and new mexico it's very rural at that point in time i realized that i needed to apply myself as an emcee a music producer towards the much larger issues that and then just battle rap so i

stepped outside of the box and wrote this song called the land of in fact me and that's kind of a flip on the on the slogan of our state and just to expose and also raise awareness of all these atrocities that are happening throughout it fracturing zones you know areas and from that point on i've just been a helping hand as part of the many different movements for the indigenous peoples movement and many others as well but that's probably the most that was a that was a beginning you know after hearing your music and like i mentioned earlier that passion that you have that like just bleeds out of every every verse every bar every word i really want is like how do you sit down when you sit down the writers write a song you know like what is that process for you when you sit down and say ok you know i'm going to write about this issue of fracking or i'm just going to you know write some fire to get people jumping up and down like what how do you tackle that how do you approach each song each song is kind of approach very differently but for the most part i'm writing my lyrics behind the driver's seat i know it's

a little risky but when i'm mad it's very rural areas i could drive out and enjoy the scenery. and be out of the city put on a instrumental usually the beep guides 1st take out my beats through different producers go from there and so you're literally like right behind the wheel the car and the beautiful new mexico. they're painted sky and landscape or you're just sitting there listening to examine and write about yeah exactly a lot of times off freestyle to think of the ideas and then just put it down on paper. who are some of your inspirations and your pop. meaning inspirations i guess from my youth. the 1st hip hop song i heard was probably a run d.m.c. or chill raji tracks and as far as emceeing goes there's so many different amazing talented emcee that have inspired me to name a few. big pine big arrow care as one percy p.

. micah 9 and freestyle fellowship evidence the dilated peoples those are very influential artists of the good variety and you can see that not reflected in your work instead of what you don't feel bad but you can definitely feel that the style and. one of the things that's interesting too is your work you work a lot with young people and. you know how has your work with those young people how was that inspired the music and the art that you create. a voice inspired me since the beginning in especially when times when i guess an artist may get tired of war now from trying to continue working with the youth has been very inspirational because they provide so much support 1st of all they keep things brand new and fresh for me i don't get worn out or i don't complain a lot a lot of people say like how do you keep going in not complaining about being on

the road all the time. just going back home and doing youth outreach or just makes me happy true happiness by working with the youth i was always raised in a classroom setting a come from a family of educators and healers so i've always been in the classroom since i was a kid my mom has been a teacher in a big inspiration for that so when people ask why are you so connected to that it's just kind of just who i am and i was brought up that way and raised that way. working with the youth also gives me a sense of purpose that's much deeper than. working for just myself for what would you say monetary gain or certain things like that or some are just going for the fame like never. really been a focus of my. practitioners and feel like i have a responsibility to give back and that's what i really focus on that it's a big focus of part of my mission couldn't afford the jaw on 944 when a 4th that joan ordered school wasn't

a boarding school forced the move got chores and more sports in a dorm but only one course of fire chief kept the wood burning before morning outside the house early at 440 past the sheep rug on the floor by the door in the dormitory escaped with corporate doors and explore war pony here to take it back home because ya not a present to scrub the present not your face and scrape the residue resumé like beams of people resonate with resolute. able to cope with all the pain that we saw in the next generations of welcome but before the preservation was the home you know the nation was but i'm in a sweat lodge see in a vision it's like i'm back out the dream in the grand mother moon in the fetal position. it is.

here's a thought experiment and a bit of a prediction for 2020 going back to saudi aramco around town as it went public just recently at a market valuation an excess of $1.00 trillion dollars i think a one pointless war 2 trillion dollars i think that we're going to see them make a hostile buy of a company maybe facebook for example and it could be the 1st trillion dollar hostile raid in history because they've got the balance sheet out if you've got a 2 trillion dollar balance sheet that means you've got you know the ability to borrow another trillion so you've got a 3 trillion dollar war chest if you go after an apple or even a berkshire hathaway 5 or $600000000000.00 why wouldn't saudi aramco buy berkshire hathaway just as a hostile right and then they own a huge portion of the whole global market the american market why not they've got the balance sheet now they want to diversify away from oil and gas and i think

we're going to see a movie like that the next 6 to 9 months. time of the time cold parisian to repeat the same mantra sustainability. transitions to sustainable prize board sustainability stay number man a more equitable and sustainable way. they claim their production is completely hama's. because. companies want us to feel good about buying their products while the damage is being done far away and this is something else this must be going down even and i need money. in unison we didn't do any minute einstein seemed to be based on that one does it look to. 6 who is going to vote the harmony who can create their own vibrating strings that

is chemistry chemistry is the melody the mill. as you can play on strings what is the universe the universe is is a symphony of strings. good food descriptions. even for the owners so to choose this pet food industry is telling us what to feed our pets really more based on what they want to sell us than was necessarily good for the pet. food may not be associate people believe we have animals that have you know diabetes in arthritis they have auto immune disorders they've cut allergies we are actually creating these problems it's a huge epidemic of problems all of them i believe can be linked to very simple problem of diet and some dog owners so heartbreaking stories about their pets plus

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that people look at us as we're almost not even human beings in certain instances not everywhere i go but there are some places what i can look at somebody and just take a quick glance and they almost look at me with some type a sense of resentment that there's people out there who believe that. we're only one kind of people i mean there's so many different tribes that exist here in the country and we're all very different a lot of times people to like you know we're sitting here at a bar a lot of times people think that we're just alcoholics myself. i've been over like 6 years alcohol free in like there's many of us who never even drank or did drugs before so that's another misconception people believe that we're all poor but we're really we're very rich in culture tradition cultural heritage a lot of people also believe that every tribe gets per capita or like we we're

helped out are like where we get a helping hand no matter what that's really not the case sometimes when you come to the deep parts of the reservations or the most rural areas i think a lot of people in music they only see the big names in the big lights right like they're only used to see in the cat on the m.t.v. or the cat on the cover of a magazine things like that but that it's a bigger world than that i've heard it described sort of like you know if you become in if you don't artist at a certain time you can you know either be in it for monetary gain and be like this was to be considered as a rapper but i consider myself more as and see and i think that allows myself to be more community based and not a self-serving entrepreneur more like you know i'm here of service as well for. representing myself my family my friends but also the culture of hip hop and that sense of pride in me being proud of who i am as an as and that man and also as and see it gives me strength but also gives me direction to what i'm actually doing

here with the music hip hop is. save my life so. me being me being part of the culture is like just i mean i want to contribute just as much as i can chip pop is helping me so when you sort of surgery life or how did hip hop save your life. hip hop saved. my life. through the friendships and bonds and through the practice of itself i feel like as i was working on these skills the skills were also working on me to become a better person started out as a homeless artist and if it wasn't for the hip hop community or the hip hop scene at that time i wouldn't have had a place to stay i wouldn't have had. food and just basic survival needs so hip hop community has been there for me since day one and what advice would you give you know old or younger person in similar shoes to you who finds that spirit

finds that voice you know through music. for myself i mean we are our tribe deals with a lot of energy enter a tional trauma or trauma that. historical trauma if you'd say and. a big part of me growing as artists was realizing that i had to accept my uniqueness as a virtue and. self actualized myself in a community to help me reach for much more potential then i would if i didn't believe in myself so it really took me believing in myself and loving myself from there like things branched out but. i would encourage anyone out there who is it as a positive outlet of expression self-expression to continue with that and don't stop.

because the pain was people turn out like that kind of economy because people brag about how to get out of the back of my moccasins it has to be good but the pakistan spot that you get the baby respect those who came before except you create stories straight and i half way down the track made it sound that's the best. now what of this now is the downgrade you know by now a little trap southwest allow me to have some powwow somewhere south surround sound in the outhouse round his crown plaque is the last time. you can hear a. guy you'll be found wow they don't want to see. one of the robbers. the people of different things with the man but i got i hustled off a couple. of them what i'm. up to man up a man. listen. to just

a kid just down to. the tracks. just racist. tries its best to comments like to make these classic songs. you want to present the street. but don't get caught up in a trap that's somewhat doubtful because our seal they've been missing it's at the foot of the milk with about a genocidal there's no surprise that the deal is in his pocket actually could give up in this to distract if they don't mind is very hysterical times are better prepared but if i shared with some care but you might say never your flight back to the hocks the ship rocked with all that from the signal and the signal. you do have . you know political nature what you're talking about because i think a lot of what you are a lot of what you're songs about you know they like you mentioned with fracking and

things like that you know you put those those flavors in there how important is music to changing. politics or changing in issue or attacking an issue or making people aware of an issue like abortion is music to a fellow like music. is by power many people. and i feel like if the message is there that. or you look at it like the last song that you did for like the last song that you did for us that's such an enlightening song and it's such a powerful song using the mix of you know your heritage and your people as well as that drum beat and that and the hip hop flavor in the archipelago you know you know that song has about that song teachers as a tribal person you kind of grow up loving the environment and that's it and that's inside you already instilled so. doesn't make you a politician sort of speak but the issues that politics that you know surround it

they directly relate our lives and way to life so. it's a responsibility for me to create music that. inspires and helps empower others because i was just inspired and empowered from hearing music from a lot of a greats and legends of the hip hop pioneers is that it's a continuation right you know it's a beautiful continuation. i want to finish up and ask you you know when you look at your career and you look at where you're going you know you're only 33 years old you've got a long career in front of you got a lot more music to write a lot more beauty to produce on this world what do you what do you imagine or what do you hope your legacy years with your music and who you are. and i got inspired from reading something i think from kara's one or somewhere where he's making music for the future generations creating a catalog that can outlast and also transcend generations i would like for my music to help inspire future generations and also help anybody in need

who. who feels alone or phil's. depressed i mean. i make music just to help a lot and i do make music just likes i do have track i just to fire not really. just focus on a specific concept but as. hard to see the ripple effects of us sometimes because we're just moving and moving and moving and moving and i hope to look back one day and be able to. thrive with my music career but also really it's a money give back tenfold as much as i received i mean i've seen my hip hop has been there since the beginning so it's hard for me to say what i really want out of it it's hard to describe man i just sometimes that the music speaks for itself. and that ladies and gentlemen is our show for you to day thank you all very much for watching and remember in this world we are not told that we are loved enough so i tell you all i love you tyrrel but keep on watching mel's hawks and i have

a great day and night everybody. here's a thought experiment and a bit of a prediction for 2020 going back to saudi aramco around town as it went public just recently at a market valuation an excess of $1.00 trillion dollars i think at one point was worth 2 trillion dollars i think that we're going to see them make a hostile buy of

a company maybe facebook for example and it could be the 1st trillion dollar hostile raid in history because they've got the balance sheet if you've got a 2 trillion dollar balance sheet that means you've got you know the ability to borrow another trillion so you've got a 3 trillion dollar war chest if you go after an apple or even a berkshire hathaway 5 or $600000000000.00 why wouldn't saudi aramco buy berkshire hathaway just as a hostile right and then they own a huge portion of the whole global market the american market why not they've got the balance sheet now they want to diversify away from oil and gas and i think we're going to see a move like that the next 6 to 9 months. but if she warned you and i do believe. that there was more of those. new speech you see me you. know when you guys e.q.'s. in the news i mean that is without infringing ball. a

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what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy. let it be an arms race off and spearing dramatic development only closely and going to exist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk.

bad lines around classifies the u.s. armed forces is a terror organization in response the pentagon is killing the terrans top command that is huge crowds of mourners gathered at the funeral of the man. also u.s. house speaker nancy pelosi announces a resolution to curb donald trump's ability to attack iran however similar restriction was stripped from a defense bill passed by congress just last month the russian president vladimir putin has held talks with his syrian counterpart bashar assad in damascus amid the rising tensions in the middle east also as we enter the new year i know that for up political correctness continues notably with the film and you gangster film.