since on this edition. of the politics on larry king on wednesday downtime suggested that iran is standing down from further military action against the united states has a rand taken the so-called off ramp in the escalating crisis with america and what happens next the current tensions between the united states and to run for a novel says we turn to a couple of its words they are barbara slaven director of the atlantic council future of iran an issue divs and author a bit of friends bosom enemies over in the united states and the twisted pairs to confrontation she is in washington. and in miami michael centro flow foreign policy expert and especially expert in the middle east ok barbara how do

you see it with the president that the rand is standing down no not at all on fact there just been some more rockets fired into the green zone in baghdad no i think this phase perhaps is over there explicit retaliation for the assassination of their senior national security official cause i'm still in money but this tension will continue as long as the united states and iran are not negotiating are not sitting down and talking about peace so it's far from over do you see them coming to the table. it's very hard for me to envision right now and less donald trump is prepared to offer iran some to some incentive some economic incentives as you know the trumpet ministration has put into place a policy of what it calls maximum pressure which entails a and oil embargo an effort to prevent iran from exporting any oil there have been f. . it's that that have been made french president emanuel macro has made these efforts

but they require the united states to offer iran some sanctions relief in return iran would return to compliance with the nuclear deal that trump withdrew from back in 2018 go as you read. more optimistic the u.s. military strength in the persian gulf is rather overwhelming so ryan has to avoid a military confrontation that's direct head on with the u.s. military. in terms i think they're scared because you know the targeting of the general makes the war afraid that they even though you know it starts to become less obvious military targets they feel jeopardized even the regime they feel jeopardized look what happened to the last of it today too that he died. i think sake should through leaf at some point as part of a day go see to deal bake sets but i sure that the riots really wanted to push

military options against the world's most powerful military at this point a type. i guess you stand down together while we do that. it's a very good question look you know trump could have taken the obama era nuclear deal and he could have improved it he could have asked the iranians for talks on other issues there was a channel established in that deal for high level u.s. iran engagement but when he walked out of the deal he gave up that channel and now he's talking about nato and others i mean there was no need for this except that he wanted to get rid of obama's signature foreign policy achievement and please his donors to his political campaign from a strategic point of view it was very foolish you know let's look at the consequences iran is walking out of the nuclear. deal our allies throughout the

region and in europe are very upset by this escalation the us will probably have to leave iraq which means that isis will grow stronger again and can threaten us in our homeland and threaten the europeans and the civil society movements that we've seen in places like iraq and iran are being pushed deep underground now. they know that they have no chance of fake come out and protest their own governments they're going to be ruthlessly repressed so this is a loss this is not a when my degree was part of who i mean i do partly agree with this i mean with the trap administration generally we've see the unprecedented chaos you know we see this with a lot of vacancies throughout the ministre should. state departments etc security so it's not a very thoughtful approach i think that the deal that president need was weaker that it should have that he agreed to it too fast but i think that the critics of

the deal subtypes oversold its flaws and that there became a constituency of the united states who mistakenly thought the president gave nuclear weapons and all kinds of terrible things so the deal got vilified excessively and i don't think the president trap in fact has a thoughtful policy over fortunately. 4 but i also have to look at that you know there's a lot of bad actors within the writing governments they were bad the danger the deal had add that there are other issues other than just the act of nuclear weapons program of this ballistic missiles which may be declared capable support of terrorism and i have to also add you know if this government is actually toppled if we never do what that might have it is a bad government it's a repressive government that would be an excellent thing i think everyone has to be careful president trip also has flaws but if we keep say the sky is a deep. in the persian gulf and if god willing we see

a new government in iraq that's better that we had up looking stupid as i because i think there is a lot to criticize with the trip of a straight shot legitimately i don't think there's that al a bit of recklessness of how things are executed. for. khomeini as. he. no i don't think he'll succeed in forcing us troops from the region but he will i think succeed in forcing us troops from iraq and probably syria the iraqi parliament has voted to expel the americans i think as long as the tension exists between the us and iran puts iraq in an impossible position and if i may comment on something michael said he said it would be great if the iranian government fell well that depends on what comes after i mean if all we have is another failed state in the middle east at this time a state of $80000000.00 people 3 times the size of iraq that is not going to be an

improvement on what we already have now the problem with the trump administration is that we don't know what the goal of their policies are is it regime change is that a new deal is it a photo op between president trump and the president of iran we simply do not know and there's an old blind you know from alice in wonderland if you don't know where you're going any road will take you there. michael de paulo she released with the code. going i mean nobody goes with the trap administrations go and i would be one of the 1st to admit this but i think that argument that we can't afford another failed state in iraq as justification to accept a dictatorship that's repressive that is murderous that is the doublewide state sponsor of terrorism. or shortly after the revolution it just it's kind of a couple we we should be afraid afraid of move it the middle east even though there

are costs you know can i just say that everything trump has done has made regime change for the better in iran less likely as i mentioned the civil society protests that we saw in iran instead of that we're seeing people out on the street mourning qassam saloon monny and the government is rallying people around the threat of war from the united states so if if your desire is for a better government in iran we're going about it entirely the wrong way. to. meet our traditional allies including george did saudi arabia frats jervy generally dado could all the help us to this regard i dos some types we've had some conflicts but i think they're very ports that george did add side arabia very important for supporting us interests of the rigid . stability you know that's why we've been allies with for somebody decades

but we do have course an air persian conflict shiite sooty conflict so there are some 6 here 8 issues that we don't actually want to inflate be here but i think that in order to tickets haid iran saudi arabia and the gulf states including united arab emirates are very important and that helps i think containing a country that could actually lash outs as a way to deal with domestic discontents that's where one of the places that our allies in the region are very very important since. generations. i know you got me good answers. people get along. you know we had we had a shot at it with with obama we weren't friends with iran but we weren't enemies for the 1st time in 40 years and that's what president trump threw away that that

possibility of detente that possibility of increased people to people connections more iranians coming here more americans going there a better life for the iranian people as long as we have this adversarial relationship nobody wins but you know the people of iran of the biggest losers and it's really a shame it's a lovely country i've been there 9 times has wonderful cultural artifacts which our president has threatened to destroy. and this country deserves better and we would benefit from a relationship with the most important country in that part of the world. we have more in common with iranians frankly than we do with many saudis. trim book calling so the wish to call me told to play a bigger part michel. that's definitely in courts and you know allies particularly france united kingdom in some cases germany have played denmark played major roles and helping us in military operations in that region i disagree with some of the

things that barbara just sad by the way i think we have to be strong against this major state sponsor of terrorism it causes the great satan they chant death to america so i mean we can't be naive about it a lot of the people who are with us some of them moved by truck may have backfired to a certain extent i believe in a very very short term basis i don't really see any evidence yet of any significant lasting damage i mean frankly the president's operation took out a meter bad terrorist who is responsible for the deaths of many americans and represents everything that the american iranian conflict has been about since the islamic revolution which is basically to fight american influence in the region and i don't think that we should mourn that we took out this particular bad actor he represents the worst of the surrounding government but i don't think that we really

lost an opportunity of the towns and i think if we act too weak with this terrorist government things will move in another bad direction that we give them free reign to commit terrorism throughout the middle east and throughout the world we can't have that either unless go against with the goal of this is going politicking to gin use of to the brick. layer of slow motion. and lights. you know world of big partners through a lot of things and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories

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jump is a new yorker and you know he looks at the global picture and he sees the tension in the middle late sixty's iran doing a dance with it there and then the neighbors and there's like an hour let's just cut to the chase this is take out a guy in iraq and we're going to get more money printing right away because i want to make my yacht premed this weekend why fuss around this is the new york way of doing things i said it when he 1st got elected it's like ave york on the white house and i've been in new york around the world i'm a new yorker some of you know i gotta die i want to. but do politicking continue the conversation coming for the slave and director of the atlantic council's future of arena news she does she's in washington. consensual foreign policy and middle east expert. bob ruiz it'll go on. larry i just hope we don't get ourselves into

a full scale war with iran i hope both sides can somehow step back from the brink i would like to see us go back into negotiations with iran i would like to see an end to the travel ban that makes it so hard for you iranians to come to this country we are hurting our our own interests by not having a normal or at least a somewhat respectful relationship with this very ancient and important country michael we have a terrible. travel ban because the terrorist state. well the travel ban i can't really define because it seems from what appeared to be a racist campaign promise to bad muslims so i can't defend that travel day and yes there are legitimate security issues iran is a major sponsor of terrorism we've heard this from every administration reagan bush clinton obama it's a very serious issue and in fact you know enormous respect for virus experience i'm

actually surprised that she hasn't addressed that at all because she's talked about ancient persian society but i am actually surprised she hasn't even address their support of hamas or hezbollah which i think are very serious issues and it's not it would be a major break with american tradition and foreign policy for 30 years to ignore the fact that iran is a huge sponsor of terrorism and i answer if you think you know i'm not ignoring that at all of course iran doesn't think they are terrorists they these are iran's partners in the region no i'm not ignoring that at all but i think that if the united states wants to deal with these issues it has to be able to sit down and talk to iran and there have been opportunities to the to just to discuss these issues that were squandered particularly by the george w. bush administration after 911 and i write about them at length in my book so you know there are always 2 sides to a story and i think to understand iran would help us to put together some proper

policies that might make the situation better for everyone we're dealing with a government that denies the holocaust says that while we tell you about yes it doesn't know that there are no there are individuals within iran who try to minimize the holocaust but the vast majority of iranians do not and in fact there are still 10000 jews living in iran jews have lived in iran for 5000 years iranians i have discovered in my visits there are anti semitic they don't like arabs they. i don't have however feelings of hostility towards jews so i i'm sorry obviously you've never been to the country if you had you might have a different impression though i mean i don't know if you misheard what i said i mean maybe just misheard i said the government it is very well documented i'm aware of the government elements of the government but not all of the government and government has what part of the government has ever refuted holocaust denial these are government conferences president hassan rouhani as i recall wish to happy

russia seana to jews everywhere upon taking office in 2013 i mean that is a that is that was i mean you can find examples of the nazis doing the same thing the fact you know here is i don't think you have them in any vs president of iran mahmoud ahmadinejad who was a holocaust denier but not many people within the government it wasn't it wasn't just him you're actually i think we're going to have both of you back. and to be continued ok for your time today you're very welcome while tensions with iran are the main the impeachment battle continues the d.c. war front will be around crisis have an impeachment impact and when can the senate it's going to begin the trial of donald trump for this we talked with douglas for me and i was state's attorney who joins us from miami. with the.

killing of so many turin's originally to we go on with the impeachment process now . but i think larry that certainly seems to be a huge distraction in terms of trying to get this thing geared up it has to be really it has to be the last thing on the minds of the senators up in d.c. right now. are you surprised and all i am a little bit surprised because frankly i thought that the articles of impeachment the 2 that were passed what about 20 to 23 days ago would already be over in the senate and they would be under way by this time to be perfectly honest well as and said in the church the speaker of the house and played better of the president. boy that's a good question larry i think that they're they're basically at this 3 way impasse

where you've got mitch mcconnell who's standing firm saying look send them over or we're not starting you've got palosi saying hey i want to dictate the terms of the trial before us in the thing over and almost you know the president sitting on the sidelines kind of watching as a spectator we think is going to go. well i think eventually pelosi has got to since something over i mean how much longer can she wait can she hold them until i don't know the summer the fall when the elections are going on i know that larry look when i was trying cases as a prosecutor you couldn't sit on and you return the charges you had to send them over to a judge for the jury to pick up and start try or you got a case thrown out of court yeah baleen you're a plus and who do you knew the defense was right and you knew and still says start of the suit. and if you had a certain date in the deep sense that the information that they won't give g.l.

what do you do boy oh boy that's that's a great point and it sort of goes to this point that i've thought about a lot is that politics and prosecution don't mix do that i mean this is political that's what this is it's political. very little about the law is really involved in this process and it's it's basically unlike the clinton administration the clinton impeachment and even the andrew johnson impeachment you look at those are the only 2 for the president nixon got an ever got around to it but even when you look at johnson and clinton there was bipartisan movement on both of those impeachment but we just don't have that here no you're right whose fault is the seat of mcconnell you know what i think there's plenty of blame to go around on

this one both in the house and in the senate i sit back and i kind of watch this and i said you know why don't these guys and ladies get back to the work of the people i mean that's what we sent him up there for not to sit there and point fingers and throw bombs back and forth. well bourne says he's willing to testify if subpoenaed do you think he will testify. i'd say if i'm betting right now larry i'm betting he does not testify not that i don't think he might have some information but it seems like that the senators really with the exception of maybe one or 2 don't really want to hear a lot of extra testimony other than what's occurred in the house again you look at the clinton impeachment very different they didn't even the house judiciary committee under clinton didn't even conduct an investigation or they were relying

solely and exclusively larry on the qin starr report something that again didn't happen here. as planned we don't know where it's going with bolton you don't think. where is it all going to do things. so i think. if i'm a bad man so here's what i bet on that eventually palosi is goddess in these 2 articles of impeachment over to the senate they're then going to take up the case and they're going to do something a very good very interesting went back and looked at the clinton case closely in that case robert byrd who was with the democrats of course from west virginia moved to dismiss the case as they started their initial arguments now because the republicans held the majority that motion was do not in this case. down to

a dollar that the republicans moved to dismiss the case they put it out for a vote it's granted and this case is out the door. john bolton's writing a book and we'll learn more as he thinks and then themselves. make a couple $1000000.00 then and we'll get to know eventually it's interesting we're both larry because really i look at that kind of scratch my head if he had something you know if he had something weird probably already know if it was something that was. told to use is that if you are representing the president did make a motion to dismiss and seek a quick food to get things over with. i think that's where we're going i think that as soon as this thing gets teed up in the senate you're going to see lindsey graham moved to dismiss this case and by majority which is all they need a majority motions going to carry and this case is dismissed but the public all

polls indicate once john bolton to testify before the senate because juicy. and. interest to and is probably important dancing well you make a good point and if they decide if the senators assad hey we gotta hear from bolton i don't think it's going to be this sort of drama moment where they open the back of the senate chambers and he walks in to testify again let's let's look at clinton they had a couple witnesses who testified they took a break the senators took a break on my out took some depositions and then brought in and read excerpts so it was a lot different than what we might expect if we were watching perry mason the consensus is that. even bolton testifies trump will be acquitted you. do larry i

think i think acquittal is coming down the pot now bolton infused with the house of firsts and he said he should be subpoenaed and he said he will answer the subpoena could bolton come forward on his own. did he agree to a sit down interview somewhere and he could in fact he could rot a synopsis of his testimony right now and send it over to mitch mcconnell or. anybody frankly now whether that testimony could be used is still i think larry subject to executive privilege which is an established privilege that the supreme court recognized in the nixon case. thanks so much always low tolerance to let's do it more often let's do it larry good to see you sir di lois former us attorney for the southern district of florida thank you for joining me on this edition of politicking remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me

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