well i think that is what i mean i think the fundamental difference is that the ringers deployed the entire strategic range of their assets they weren't together their their foreign policy their diplomats they bring to get their political leaders they built bring in their intelligence operatives their military people order their economic assets such as they are and they set themselves very clear objectives which they don't let themselves be diverted from and their own objectives now clearly defined easy is to try to get the united states out of the middle east out of iraq specifically out of areas where they can threaten iran the united states by contrast what we see there is a dysfunctional government which doesn't have any kind of clear long 6 long established plan so you have different people pushing for different objectives you

have people look wanting to escalate as you put it which means essentially having a war you see the u.s. government forced into frantic diplomacy through the swiss embassy in tehran which it now turns out it was the united states which initiated it was lee u.s. and having started the escalation became panicked and saw the way out to deescalate in other words they don't have a clear objectives and they're not working towards those objectives instead you get the impression of a very powerful country stretching around throwing bombs in some directions killing people in other directions threatening people with sanctions but it isn't coherent and. you wouldn't get that impression from mainstream media go ahead glenn go ahead last just going to say this theme of. escalation dominance has been the very

central strategic objective by the united states or. in the simplicity that america would be able to increase escalate when it wants and then bring it down so for example if the us drops bombs in pakistan to syria or any other dozen countries understanding would be that country would not be allowed to respond because of the unpredictable and the devastating consequence from the us so they can bring tensions up and down the us they want for pressure now what's interesting with iran is they denied this is america cos what they did was they launch their missiles directly at american military bases and america essentially have to suck it up and accept all this is the price we have to pay for for killing. general in the iran so this is so that they rob americans of this escalation run their business very interesting because even if you look at the rayney in response by firing those missiles they were just hitting buildings and store where houses and things like

that it's sent but that is the message there is that they can do it they can't be stopped and they're not limited to iraq and i think that is the strategic message that they were sending nobody in the mainstream media the corporate media picked up on that well and that is the see i asked in my introduction what has changed that has changed in policy makers in washington if they have any kind of horse and all have to take that on board go ahead well i slightly disagree with you on corporate media because this is what i read in the new york times. sports was well was a well calibrated measure for the 4 years that it isn't just being anti trump exactly ok exactly what i find so this is the 1st time in 10 years that they agree with and maybe the wrong reasons for their own reasons because actually what we saw was you know the new cause have shown their obvious site you know during the obama years. and there during this russia gate and ukraine gate investigations we have

seen the ugly side of the liberal interventionists they started the war in libya they started the war in syria they started basically started the war in ukraine now we see the ugly side of the neocons i mean that haven't been canceled i hope by the new broom and interventionist we saw it and what i think was more stable was basically of the moral side of it all i mean tom given an interview to faux news they're asking why did you do it why did you kill general sorting money what are your facts you know and trump responds i believe it could have been good remember see a good have i believe i did good for emphasis i believe if we could have been military bases it could have been a lot of other things but suddenly he was gone well this is thinkin i'm sorry all of oscar pistorius you know that souls african this lead who killed his girlfriend shooting her from a bottle because he thought it could have been included see it could have been

robbers but pistorius was on trial for that and mr crump instead of beating on trial gets britney's from the wall street journal though you know we have the article there which says. are we seeing a regular revival of trump's 40 poorly see that's the headline and you can imagine it would end if you could alex you know alex it seems to me and i'll just be kind of more blunt here i think the assassination of the money was an act of desperation because there's a lack of imagination in how to move forward because essentially the u.s. is going to be find itself isolated in its friend friendly country iraq instead of fighting isis or point making sure it doesn't come back it's going to have to worry about the shia militias firing upon them in their bases i mean i this doesn't make any sense to me as something was started and i have no idea how it's going to end.

go ahead alex. this is correct because of course the united states as i think has become very clear now seriously underestimate if you didn't run when they pulled out of the j.c. . when they imposed all these sanctions on it it expected that iran would on the very quickly come to the negotiating table all of that the government there would rapidly collapse because of massive protests nothing like that has happened the european allies have shown that they're not very keen on this whole crisis tracked all they weren't consulted it is the united states in this situation which is looking increasingly are isolated even the saudis even the israelis were not particularly it's interesting out there was one of the questions i sent out to you guys is that there was it was really relatively quiet in the region as this solve is going on ok because again the demonstration effect of the the the attack on the

saudi. energy installations sent a message and everyone else has been taking that on board except for some neo-cons in washington d.c. you want to get in a just a small you know it all started with the united states born being a base or sharing really shows in iraq and then mr trump got very angry about demonstrations near the american embassy in the united states about it but we hear from c.b.s. from c.b.s. from david martin their correspondent that i called these shia militias are part of the iraqi security force and there were 25 people killed there imagine some foreign country vorse. a base of u.s. national guard kielce 25 people and then they are dismayed that they're going to have to states citizens are staging a demonstration here theer embassy you know and this demonstration it was van percent or 'd ward the ukrainian nazis did during their mind on prague. yes they

set on fire 10 buildings there and people and killed $38.00 policemen this is how the war started which in didn't start that it started in kiev but now there were just a few storms thrown their gauge of the embassy the health of their. guest the greens all you know and the iraqi security force did not react why because link you 5 of their colleagues were killed you know it's interesting you know. i was watching how my pompei of the secretary of state was reacting to all this and they don't want any kind of questioning of their i was going to say strategy but there is no strategy the way i can see it i mean it looks quite empty and vacuous and they don't really have a reason it seems that this is the goal and it seems to me they did the assassination is merely because they could do it not that was made any strategic sense no i agree and i think they kind of walked themselves into this difficult position because the the mainland. legitimacy behind this would be they call them

a terrorist and then this is there's killed here and here and this is probably the most fundamental individual in the region that actually pushed isis back but this going to show us the problem of demonizing iran because you know already 3 months ago they recognized the revolutionary guard a military branch in iran as a terrorist organization and then by definition the leader of this of the money they define him as a terrorist now once you start throwing this words around terrorist calling foreign leaders foreign terrorists now you're opening for you having this legitimate so-called legitimate. issue when the interest in us is legitimizing that why can't a rand do it is well it's been legitimized now you know i. don't want exactly and all ones and the kind of language that trump you'll just you know it could have been for emphasis and then suddenly he's gone you know it was a scrap. i will start in that he said there is a man there is

a problem there is no man there is no problem no one could start in saying that publicly but truong is basically saying that both hold that thought we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stay with r.t. . join

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the food on the side of the food people are not. prevented by save a time of our visit was it in the sense of i'm lot more about. what we were doing the same. scene that i do in the film but i mean before put it caught on film by the. by the imam about it. welcome back to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle to to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok let's go back to alex in london you know alex this 10 day. fiasco that we all

went through. a lot of war jitters and whatnot and a lot of exaggeration in the media and misinformation disinformation that's why we do programs like this but there is one problem out there that is not resolved then is going to be increasingly more difficult to resolve and that is the u.s. military presence in iraq now trump has been threatening iraq with sanctions making you have to pay for these bases while the u.s. and its allies in baited in 2003 illegally i don't see why the iraqis have to pay one cent as a matter fact an apology is due also we have threats that the new york fed bank may withhold cash reserves that are held on behalf of iraq and if i'm not mistaken in the in the tune of $3000000000.00 i mean is this how you treat an ally i mean don't you go shade in top with a now i know. threaten that's how you resolve issues or maybe that is something no

one void in this administration when it comes to foreign policy go ahead alex what is absolutely shocking behavior because those troops those american troops in iraq are supposed to be there at the invitation of iraq if iraq asks for them to go they should go in fact it seems that the united states not only wants them to stay it is prepared to put coercive pressure and you talked about this attempt to stop you iraq accessing banking facilities in order to force them to stay that is not the action of an ally that is the action of an occupier of a country that is trying to occupy iraq for its own purposes in order to conduct was against other countries namely iran with which iraq is on good terms and which iraq needs to be on good terms with so it is all for

behavior and of course it is extremely unwise and very dangerous behavior because increasingly iraqis at every level of society who are already very angered by the experiences of 1st the war and occupation of their gun treat but also the previous history of sanctions that the united states imposed on iraq are now increasingly going to start to see the united states and its military on their territory as not the solution to their problems but has the problem you know yeah i mean as glengall it clinton seems to mean we have to remind our viewers that in the 1980 s. iran and iraq want an 8 year war something akin to like trench warfare in the 1st world war it was bloody it was awful it was destructive. and now we have this illegal invasion of iraq and the net outcome of that is that. iraq has moved closer

to iran a country that they fought a bloody war for 8 years. doesn't the american stance actually than in push forward a better iraqi iran relationship because you know the trumpet ministration say we're going to leave and part of the conditions is that we want everyone else to leave everyone should get out of iraq i think you could sell that idea the i think a lot of iraqis would go for it i think the majority of iraqis would like to see all foreign troops all foreign opera operatives leave but the way the trumpet administration is playing it works to iran's advantage again well that happened already in 2003 and 4 after the invasion and we saw that the. that. with the sudden same gone a future shiite dominated iraq would increasingly align itself closely with iran and of course overcome their troubled history now i think. yes this has been a one of the unintended consequence of killing all the money as well now the iraqis

are asking americans to leave iraq because of course they don't want to be battlefield for the in the middle of all of this so so yes the day they play this in the very very bad way and of course this will be a big strategic victory for the iranians because they would like the americans to leave the middle east and iraq would of course be a highest priority in terms of where they should lead in syria. yes of all obviously so i think well i do sympathize with the goal to get like you mentioned get them on out of iraq and i think what the middle east really needs is a proper security architecture and now i think the problem there is i think there's more interest in in conceptualizing security architecture like we do in europe where we establish a military alliance aim for example against russia now i think they want to recreate something similar in the middle east now security architecture should include iraq once excluded then we have the european system where it's targeting another state and then security becomes defined. very much since there are some

terms ok but you didn't used the word i'll use it nato they want to levy bring other nato or even expanding nato to include arab countries which i think is kind of interesting is nobody's mentioned if israel should be part of that i think that's an interesting no one would have to work on but you know it came of this idea of an arab nato has been floated before but nobody in the region seemed to be particularly interested in trump said that he said you know i'm quoting him we can use need to in other locations for example in the middle east. interventions have been on paper with trump for all these years saying that he did not respect his european allies you know he thought that germany was not paying enough now trump is seen you know these european guys they use this mean the least you know we can expect there but isn't that. table. has been occupied the americans have created a civil war in iraq that killed according to various estimates about i've heard any

good men you know on television citing physicians for peace who say it could be up to london median people killed in the rock as a result of that chain reaction from the american intervention in 2003 so $1000000.00 people killed and now mr trump is seeing you all lost one trillion dollars all the money that we spent on the war in iraq you with iraq you go into or us but also of the other interesting point is that i think in the rockaways see how liberal interventionists and now of course in the united states how the miscalculated to both democracy they had been warned that the majority in iraq is basically shade and muslims so if if you introduce democracy there bro you raney an audience would get would win you know that was obvious but still you know george bush jr and others the press that have you know they had elections and know their.

paper that iran has influence well of course iran has influence and there are some parts you're seeing in iraq which support doing in presence because they need it against the so-called islamic state the true allies are on there so when you're ready to collapse and also iran is religiously close to them we've heard the same story in ukraine why is ukraine a dictatorship because if you have democracy the rule russian eastern candidate wins as it was the case where with kuchma win over craft to work with the young actually beaten you mission going the 1st all astroland over elections so a lot of with resiliency of having a landslide against against so this idea that we need democracy. has translated into policy ok it does go back to our experience i think it's really quite fascinating that you know the europeans and the country should get more involved in the middle east why would they want to do that because it turned into

a 3 digit backwater in a quagmire but i guess that's what trump really wants he wants other people to do his dirty work for him and not just his i mean prime previous administrations as well i mean it really shows a lack of strategic vision and he wanted to leave the middle east problem solved and we solved for the united states and let the people in the region figure it out because that's the only way it's ever going to be figured out go ahead well that's absolutely right and i think that in europe the hunt deer expanding nature or sending nato troops to the middle east is absolutely horrifying to most people i mean speaking here in gross there would be massive opposition. in germany where it was proposed some time ago by the current german defense minister that they send troops to syria to act as a peacekeeping force when the us to be pulling out the even more horrifying to the whole notion the europeans would be appalled european public would be poor. all by

such a thing it seemed to me frankly that this is just try again trying to find a way saving face pulling u.s. troops out of the middle east without at the same time surrendering all your interests around into the the middle east and so he turns to his nato outlaws who are of course not interested in proves again exactly the point you made at the start of the program that there is no real strategic thinking behind all of this was a quickly say ideas of setting up arab and arab nato they go all the way back to the 19th peeved is those of us with memories or knowledge of the history of the region you know there was the baghdad act yes of the 1950s yet what do you do it provoked a revolution in iraq because that leaves one of the region don't want it it's extraordinary how the us instead of learning from mistakes always seems to repeat

them you know glenn the critics are gonna turn from the left i'm actually from on the right as well i think of some writers on the website the american conservative is it 3 years in if the ministration in election looming is that trump has not drain the swamp pieces actually taken it over he's running it now and that's a little bit over the last of the last 10 days so really show that go ahead there are no i agree and again there attraction for many of to vote for trump again this idea that he won't pull them out of the wars now is interesting. this discrepancy between the american leadership and the people because every kind of election has had the same following bush he won after clinton because a promise america would not be a global policeman in tunisia to build a new nation was mostly building then you heard the bomb he wanted changed in the peace candidate and they're trying to promise to you know we're going to pull us out. the middle east and all of this foreign conflicts it's going to be america 1st

they get now he seems to be doubling down as well that whole see taking on iran is just if there were where to go who would who to vote for it's so i think this this might cost lection it's interesting it's kind of how it plays out of new south wales and $20.00 last 25 seconds go to you well it's amazing probably a bottle of the good things about it all is that for the 1st time in many years democrats are speaking out against the war vali nasr of all the pages of the new york times the person who supported the interventions in the in ukraine in your list why their son says you're a mean son nationalists a new war with the united states they would see us forced on them as a fight with the bully well that's true but the only problem is why did he came and why did he stand before what it never would have been said if it wasn't for the individual sitting up in the white house that shows how everything is warped.

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