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seeming unaware it has been rejected by the british people but while his party in fights over its pro israel leadership candidates the subject of democracy itself was raised by this scottish m.p. the prime minister said in the letter to the 1st minister of scotland which is a democratic right of the people of scotland to have a choice over their own future mr speaker this was not a surprise the prime minister is a democracy prime minister boris johnson denied that allegation before later being asked arguably about defacto democracy in syria a country johnson voted to bomb my constituent resigned that came to the u.k.'s toughest refugees fleeing persecution and human rights abuses committed by turkish backed places in syria how family remain in the area and she is in a daily fear for their life that there are multiple reports of human rights abuses against civilians in syria including every court said test forces used fight white
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phosphorus against children johnson said he has raised human rights with his nato partner we have brought raised our concerns about the operation in northern syria with the turkish government be present early on several times and. we should lead to poor any abuse of human rights but turkey is of course very much on britain's side in the country boned by his former etonian friend david cameron and tomorrow chancellor angela merkel hosts a conference following on from vladimir putin's in moscow to seek peace in what was once africa's richest because the country joining me now via skype from germany the country that will host tomorrow's critical libya talks is the former spokesperson from wal-mart good outfit dr mussa ibrahim thanks so much for coming back on the shows a negotiated some kind of cease fire not sure whether it's holding between turkey supported by britain and the former cia asset general after what do you expect from talks in berlin tomorrow it's extremely easy to. lost in the details of the libyan
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crisis and this is really as part of the game the imperialist west has been playing for decades and decades and the reason europe interview since chaos into libya and then what it does its many agents this chaos for years and years to come sometimes by military means sometimes by political means conferences negotiations economic sanctions you end the crees european union involvement all of this is to keep the country and the control so they can rock its national wealth and control its political system and prevent more importantly its population from rising up and making sure that their country is sovereign and independent from foreign influence the berlin conference is just another step in
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this that action ok the new good guys and bad guys is the corporate media or love so much is it your understand the ceasefire at least is holding in libya there are reports of some turkish backed jna that the un mandated soldiers dying and have you been invited to the berlin government has safeguard f.e.e.b. the invited to the berlin government from the outside they claim that they are inviting everyone the reason that they imposed a ceasefire specially a from tech aside is because they understood that the libyan army was about to capture chipper now those leading the libyan army with their previous cia us as you say but the green the resistance of libya has been using the libyan army as a fake to move forward and got antique and level of sovereignty and independence for that country. they can with this ceasefire to save the islamist militias
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and the so-called government of national accord that they imposed upon the libyan people people in 2014 so it is the entire international community that is against the libyan people ugly and actually i mean general after being a former cia asset are you saying that this conference has been hastily can read because the government of national accord was about to lose all power and is mandated by all the security council members good in china including russia let alone britain and the united states this is something that the west does all the time they change the robots they assign roles between different parties in any conflict germany was you know one of the better countries a few iraq in 2011 wasn't involved heavily in the poem by argument of libya even objected to the fate act of war and proposed
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a peaceful road for negotiation and that's the reason the very reason germany has been chosen because the other european powers have been in jeet morally bankrupt libya completely and i'm certain that no initiative that can come from france italy all britain let alone the states of course take it as well because of its cultural religious and historical links to libya was chosen and appointed by its european allies to manage the case jointly with gen many for the next few years they always change the agents they change the parties that play the parts but the core of the matter is the same keep libya politically weak and the control of the west keep probing the national wealth makes. sure that the libyan population
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does not rise up to gain libya back and make it independent and strong and of course as you know what she claimed they need to talk about democracy elections negotiations cease fires and they do it very well with newspapers media expands intellectuals and we are waiting for this man not to before the game but that was ok but ok if half her is backed by paris abu dhabi cairo riyadh france obviously also backing the g.n.a.t. trump criticizing a turkish agreement over oil between. government and national accord government saying it was unhelpful and not sure that means trump is going to come to the rescue what is the green resistance there has been as you just mentioned the media intellectuals and the rest of it it is not mentioned in the context of libya inside libya all libyans are aware of korean persistence we are everywhere we are there
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many we are the majority even our any inside the country admit to that and actually they have been for years not saying it publicly they know any sure political such of any transparent truly genuine democratic system will lead to libya being green again i agree it is not does not mean that we are going to open at all government for ourselves it means we are going to liberate it from the foreign agenda and because it is an international pitch up against the green resistance we decided many of us to enjoy in the vacant advantage which is the libyan army the libyan army is composed maybe more than 80 percent of officers and soldiers of the green and the west knows that and they don't want libya true. you know with the doing of the green systems to go back to being independent
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so friend and therefore go back to the owner can't the fists as genders of liberation of uniting africa uniting the arab world opposing computer ism men taining the national wealth development independent economic development from the capitalist system that doesn't sound like anytime soon gen have said he has no problem with safe gadhafi running for president do we know where the saved have is even alive let alone the fact is not being invited to tomorrow's berlin conference and do you fear that given trump's recent drone assassinations of iranian general silly money that they could take safe good effie out of his alive now there is no doubt we are a straight for safes safety safe it is them is is a libyan citizen and he is a leader and he is loved by and maisha who potion of the libyan population he
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has a genuine political program and project for the country but no one from outside if you can of course wants to listen to him because they know his faults is very dangerous to the agenda of the west a look see if it's there and his followers have been saying quite years now that they don't talk to take revenge against anyone they don't want conflict they want an independent peaceful and democratic libya and not just talk we have a fair a particular definite written down program for all of this we call for every single european party political current to come together in a debian city not embarrass and does this our vision of the african union because we are african and without any foreign participation no one is accepting because they know where this would be a genuinely. decision with pete to something that the west does not want that's
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what they call to berlin you know that she barely has a very that repeat a ship and ask them how they're going to lean 880 for the conference in which they defy could a freak out between european powers divide a freakin mayans a freakin wilts now you come to berlin 2020 it's the same game being played for centuries and i'm not buying it ok well just finally and briefly does it matter if general haftar signs an agreement but live or is the question itself meaningless and do you think he's about to take tripoli regardless we are challenging france because all what i like half there is everybody particularly one house to came under the cia an american army protection in 2011 we will not forget that he claims now that he is seeking libya's independence and and that's why we are working under
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he's you know in the libyan army but if he cites anything kimberlin if you cause against libyans and libyans sufferance libya's independence i'm free to make no mistake we will walk no more but have to and thousands and thousands of soldiers and also serve as we go out of their way to oppose such an agreement and the whole equation of the libyan political situation would be changed and i think there's a brant thank you thank you option after the break as shin fein lobbies in washington how much will it really cost london to reinstate local governments in northern ireland we speak to the parties responsible for reconvening stormont political coming up about to going underground.
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you know now i'm not moved on. welcome back well after 3 years the framers sided switch the lights about got installed once having reached a power sharing agreement but how fragile is it with sums of money differing in the billions and they just nurses on strike. looks anything but certain joining me now . from see my lawyer fancy thanks for coming back on so your shin frame finance minister there is still not corner muffy saying johnson's money falls well. short
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of his promises what do you make of it is very strong promises from both the secular state on boris johnson on the 2 governments on their commitments to financially support they knew exactly bit up and run in particular to deal with the nurses strike on the party so it is very important that the 2 governments lead up to the promises that are making and the money that they were through and how much money are we talking about well most of money is not said he defined because the executive is only up and running they're still trying to find exactly what is required to do it what would basically would we're saying this one is the british government did give an agreement that they would meet the party issues around the nurses' pay but also what we want to move into is the 3 year sakal of budgetary lane instead of what we will call on of a one year cycle that needs to be an ongoing commitment just because you can then turn the lights off instrument and for another 3 years once you've got the commitment for the budget for 3 years no what we want is the we want this to walk
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we want these arabs we have the resources to make it work unless they have resorts are there we found in the past though the british government the conservative quinta government and the irish government both they've said with us it's settled a sort of this is not a settlement the days are gone for the d.v.d. when it could ask a 1000000000 pounds for parliamentary support to keep a british prime minister in power although he was going to reinvest the junior in a 2nd he was going to have billions before the election of course the parliamentary reform is different but one economist doctor has been bernie claims it will take 5000000000 pounds to get strawman running probably up to 3 years of new government well i think what we saw was a sturdy measures of the control to govern the past who do it withdrawing money from the assembly and the active brought the party the don't fall apart because people are active found a find with a back to make and walk people's expectations are very high of what this family can deliver don't have a number of the not a number of the guys. point in time really they should have
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a number of the negotiating with boris johnson well the fact was that the british government hold all the figures they hold all the departments at this point in time what we're doing is the transition over and what we're saying is that the needs of the proper resources there are that the government were promising that that needs to be fulfilled do you think your party's over the general election because of the austerity i mean the health service you mentioned because a strike in the last 24 hours coordinated action 41 percent of inpatient waiting times exceed $52.00 weeks in english in just seems unbelievable and when it comes to austerity more than $200.00 people dead over a period of 18 months homeless deaths well i think the situation is that the health service was actually been undermined completely the resources won't be put end to make that happen and make a book so what we need is the pay party to actually be really established and to ensure that nurses actually have the also not in numbers the staffing numbers need to be increased to make the hospital to be able to walk and what we're find in the
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past was that that money would have been really withdrawn from the assembly and would have been withdrawn from the nurses' pay. will you shut down stormont again not a bit off shorten turns down but i think if with the deal here but if the resource is not there then base what we're seeing this storm cantilever. ok is that because you go at the irish torch in schools element in place as regards the coming back to stormont despite the fact that prosecution of u.k. soldiers during the troubles scenes very much up at the yeah because the other people talking in westminster about that no a happening well i think what we're after separate the few issues a language issue as operator i'm what we have now oh is a language in strained then to the norden and act as a are not the sets aside the old established legislation which betty discriminated against i slam which a speakers under the ice language in jenner or the issue of justice for of those
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who are act he have come as a drone doing we acted need to ensure a british soldier only one else you not a skipped the the right track he stand up on un to be charged if they are guilty awful fences that were a chord join the troubles your colleague or joan view new can is in washington talking to a members of congress about irish issues his father of course was murdered in suspicious circumstances bit of them watches interview on are you chip journal do you think he get american support for the prosecution of british soldiers we know the boers johnson listens to the american the real born in america well i think we do you need to get the support of the ash government to the an american government and the european union to ensure that the good friday agreement on all the ace aspect of the good friday agreement are implemented he the speaker has already said that a listen to tread and that's one of things the jaunes talking about is that if there is annie is infringement on the good friday agreement then at the americans won't
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be saying nope 20 thread deals with a british government ok but do you think ali enforced as der move for irish unification than the ira what i think bracks is had order down the irish say bracks it has actually don't not a what we have now is the opportunity for the irish people to come together it within the european union of the whole eylandt try to try and build the irish unity within that and i think there's a growing support for that right across the board people who never were thinking about irish independent are no thinking about it those who actually feel that they're being infringed by the loss of the commitments of the european union you think nigel farage for that well i said to his face park with a not ok well that we've got an interview on monday with a guy called willie call in new used to work for you is a self-confessed m i 5 spy he makes some legs ordinary allegations in his new book what would you make me say one in 4 of the ira were one point u.k. intelligence and to that they were members of m i 5 who sort of united i would you
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make of well i think you always take the role of really had within and he said that he was such a spy and i think when you read who could out there and what his role was it was fake news that he was presenting on fact reports that he was presenting back to the british government if you do not particularly and i think what we read now that is one is he selling a book but secondly it is a continuation of the tech news after a long period of time whenever he was long out of. the republicans there was a secret diary entry cabal that you do training on the side certainly not on the i think you know if you go back to those sort of bad old days whenever that was the main question directly have been asked i think it is important that we do recognize her in an entirely new situation we need to move on francine like thank you thank you. well the piece says they will restore faith in politics at
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stormont but for how much joining me now is do you pm people know what i'm doing in paisley thanks so much in for coming back on the show so your reaction to the restoration of ulster power sharing given finance minister economy us this of france of oil just now says that johnson's money falls way short of what was promised more than a well other. very important northbound those get a fair day to have the evolution working properly it's got to be properly funded and northern ireland because of ira terrorism for 40 years has suffered more than on the other part of the united kingdom so it needs to rebuild it needs what not only a peace dividend but a finance flowing from the peace process that is costly it's worth it it will make north on feel very much part and parcel of the united kingdom and it will settle things in a good and positive way and look at the positive things that we want for our nurses for teachers for police officers public sector workers very very critical northern but 70 percent of the workforce there let's make sure that they get a good deal of well this really has scored
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a strike action in the health service in chile do you know is the figure because it was drugs and hadn't become prime minister because the d.p. had stopped its coordination involvement with the resume as you said to me on this issue you were going to give the figure it was a 1000000000 pounds. you must have a bull book which we negotiated during the last 3 years of conference and supply was to do 5 key projects and we're down to 5 down and put a cost to them that money has been paid and delivered in northern and has benefited from not these are new projects. and sure enough for example our health workers our nurses or doctors have paid with the rest and i can then there are figures for all of these things the figures have been bandied around in there the civil service and what they are they're being home daryn to the exact mines law said the response was in northern ireland on monday of this past week i think he forgot to bring this checkbook next time he would forget ok well the range is up to 5000000000 a good and i've already wrote a lot of glasnost and as one barney's figures i think are if you look at absolutely
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everything that could possibly be done that would be certainly would be a wonderful it would. be what i do think of as where the real figure will ultimately be most important that we set a people's expectations properly ok well the bedrock of do you people will see. opposition to the unification of the reunification of the island of violent have you know basically created this consensus now in which a united ireland is inevitable there is a border down the irish sea that has been proposed by boris johnson and agreed with the european union what will 1st of all the border that you speak about as of course a treat or arrangement in terms of making sure the up tree and flows will fight disruption post but accept all regulations in all it will be those of the southern regulatory arrangements we would like to make sure that is meant to get out of the
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managed as much as possible and the next year of trade negotiations will be crucial to easing it's basically a shorter amount of time and savor and see my lawyer. as a jury in 5 years and we draw agreement will be 2 years and therefore you'll sort it all out is. not only is older than me but he looks from sort of be older than me and he knows that there's never been a united ireland that has life time there will never be won in my lifetime none of your engine constituents secretly wanting a united ireland to take advantage of european union trade no because one of the sly voting of the general election vision for. the north koreans but collapsed north and they were at 16 percent i think today that 6 percent on the north on them so they collapsed dramatically no i think people want to see stable politics stop this man on the moon pursuit of only elastic things let's focus on what people really need stability politically good jobs subs but colony going forward i'm delighted that we have the best employment figures that we've ever had in our
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lifetime look at the best and what investment figures whatever out of my lifetime let's try those things out of the. tracks ok what my lawyer said about boris johnson's comments on wednesday in parliament about vexatious claims on legacy issues that it was ludicrous for him to suggest the c.p.s. is unfairly pursuing. prosecutions of u.k. soldiers unfair ones what does it feel like for you with the prospect of you maybe having to show your passport in the border as you cross to visit westminster amidst fair prosecutions of u.k. soldiers for what happened during the troubles but i think it's fairly jaundiced view i mean if you travel at the moment on domestic flight in the united kingdom you will more than likely have to show photo right down to that you can choose if you need a passport for international travel what i would like to say is to make sure that we don't have over exert of under strict of procedures in place that may not. like a plea as part northern ireland to work and must demonstrate this through our history
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to feed a plea a swift and the united kingdom to be a success the days in the 195060 s. and seventy's when it became a place apart things went dark spiral where the lives of people from britain will move their business is to get the european union the benefits of trade who knows again on monday we're going to speak i did here in facetious you always be facetious you and jim will welcome people from england surely with the hindu a man named willie call it yes on monday a self-confessed m i 5 spy do you think that is comments like one in 4 in the ira were you can intelligence and the fact that there was a senior voices in m i 5 were actually secret disorder united ireland seem. believable i don't think it's comment very specifically but a former or current m i 5 all prefer to think up a program but i will read his book i'm going to be answered by the british but i will make some some general comments which i think are important i think that using
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human intelligence sources to counter terrorism is a very very specialised talk that m i 5 and the british security services not only developed in northern ireland but lead across the world and something which they share with friendly nations is the hard to conquer and to a counterinsurgency programs for people who will turn and side the organization was very widely used in northern ireland very deliberately to undermine that ray will be supporting this story lou best occasions unit mandated by the good friday will be over the line marks if i'm for justice equal justice so if there is sufficient evidence to prove the song was done something wrong that they're held responsible and accountable join a court of law that for example former police officers are not held to a different kind to an order on a higher standard than ordinary citizens we've got to be make sure that also sins are held and the fact of the matter for me is that i think the police officers are going to be given a very former police officers are going to be given
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a very raw daily and a legacy inquiry because this paperwork completeness that shows where and when police officers where there's no paperwork completeness for these illegal organisations the terror groups that operate which is you just said we're interested by the secrets it has but there was no proper paper trail within those organizations there's nothing for an expert to scan to look up on the say how do we know i get to the bottom of this particular crime therefore i think people should be held to come through the ordinary process of law and order that makes good justice in paisley thank you thank you that's a show call monday when there's war zones and not doing as they gave u.k. collusion a barbiturate killing in an island of badly we further investigate british securities i was involved in the fight for reunification with a self-confessed and i 5 spy and civil and t.v. judge was social media jovi. in the united states presidential candidates debate the future of the u.s.
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