in libya coming up in the show 24 hours ahead of the berlin summit to find a peaceful solution to libya's post nato intervention we speak it was abraham former spokesperson for libyan leader moammar gadhafi and how stable is restored all star power sharing in its recording of a money and boris johnson's vow to rule out prosecution of u.k. soldiers during the troubles we talked to the doobies ian paisley jr and shin feigns from seem a lot about putting irish before english all this more coming up in today's going on the ground a 1st you gave labor leader jeremy cool been defended his election manifesto against boris johnson the prime minister's questions on wednesday almost seeming unaware it has been rejected by the british people but while his party in fights over its pro israel leadership candidates the subject of democracy itself was raised by this scottish m.p. the prime minister said in the letter to the 1st minister of scotland. right of the people of scotland to have

a choice over their own future mr speaker this was not a surprise the prime minister is a democracy prime minister boris johnson denied that allegation before later being asked arguably about defacto democracy in syria a country johnson voted to bomb my constituent resigned i came to the u.k.'s tells especially jean fleeing persecution and human rights abuses committed by turkish backed places in syria how many remain in the area and she is in a daily fear for their life that there are multiple reports of human rights abuses against civilians in syria including every court said test forces used fice white phosphorus against children johnson said he has raised human rights with his nato partners we raised our concerns about the operation in northern syria with the turkish government be present early on several times and. we should lead to poor any abuse of human rights but turkey is. of course very much on britain's side in

the country bombed by his former etonian friend david cameron and tomorrow chancellor angela merkel has a conference following on from vladimir putin's in moscow to seek peace in what was once africa's richest becomes a country joining me now via skype from germany the country that will host tomorrow's critical libya talks as the former spokesperson for moammar gadhafi dr everett him thanks so much of a coming back on the shows a putin negotiated some get a cease fire not sure whether it's holding between turkey supported by britain and the former cia asset general after what do you expect from talks in berlin tomorrow it's extremely easy to get lost in the details of the libyan crisis and this is really f c r of the game the imperialist west has been playing for decades and decades and the reason europe interview since kate's into libya and then what it does its many agents this chaos for years and years to come sometimes by minute she needs

sometimes by political means conferences negotiations economic sanctions you end the crees european union involvement all of this is to keep the country and the control so they can rock its national wealth and control its political system and prevent more importantly its population from rising up and making sure that the country is sovereign and independent from foreign influence the berlin conference is just another step in this that action ok venu good guys and bad guys is the corporate media or love so much is it you understand the ceasefire at least is holding in libya there are reports of some turkish backed g.n.a.t. that the un mandated soldiers dying and have you been invited to the berlin governor's. safe gadhafi been invited to the berlin government from the outside

they claim that they are inviting everyone the reason that they imposed a ceasefire specially a from tech aside is because they understood that the libyan army was about to capture chipper now those leading the libyan army where previous cia us as you say but the green the resistance of libya has been using the libyan army as a fake to move forward and got antique and level of sovereignty and independence for their country they can with this cease fire to save the islamist militias and the so-called government of national accord that they imposed upon the libyan people people in 2004 so it is the entire international community that is against the libyan people arguably and actually i mean general after being

a former cia asset are you saying that this coverage has been hastily can read because the government of national accord was about to lose all power and is mandated by all the security council members 3rd in china including russia let alone britain and the united states this is something that the west does all the time they change the robots they assign roles between different parties in any conflict germany was you know one of the better countries a few iraq in 2011 and she wasn't involved heavily in the poem by argument of libya even object it to the very act of war and proposed a peaceful road for negotiation and that's the reason the very reason germany has been chosen because the other european powers have been in jeet morally bankrupt libya completely and utterly that no an issue. it can come from france

italy old britain let alone the states of course take it as well because of its cultural religious and historical links to libya was chosen and appointed by its european allies 2 men as the case jointly with gen many for the next few years they always change the agents they change the parties that's playing the parts but the core of the matter is the same keep libya politically weak and the control of the west keep probing the national wealth make sure that the libyan population does not rise up to gain libya back and make it independent and strong and of course as you know what she claimed they need to talk about democracy elections negotiations cease fires and they do it very well with newspapers with media with expanse with intellectuals and we are waiting for this

man not to before the game but that was ok but ok if half her is backed by paris abu dhabi cairo riyadh france obviously also backing the g.n.a.t. trump criticizing a turkish agreement over oil between. government or national accord government saying it was unhelpful or not to or that means trump is going to come to the rescue what is the green resistance there has been as you just mentioned the media intellectuals and the rest of it it is not mentioned in the context of libya inside libya olympians are aware of korean persistence we are everywhere we aren't there many we are the majority even any inside the country admit to that and actually they have been for years not saying it publicly they know any sure political sense of any transparent truly genuine democratic system. will lead to libya being

green again i agree it is not does not mean that we are going to own it all government for ourselves it means we are going to liberate it from the foreign and because it isn't international picked up against the green resistance we decided many of us to enjoy in the vacant which is the libyan army the libyan army is composed maybe more than 80 percent of officers and soldiers of the green and the west knows that and they don't want libya true you know with the doing of the green systems to go back to being independent so friendly and therefore go back to the owner can't that faced as and there's often importation of uniting africa uniting the arab world opposing imperialism and then taining the national wealth development independent economic development from the

capitalist system that doesn't sound like anytime soon general have said he has no problem with safe gadhafi running for president do we know where the saved it obvious even alive let alone the fact is not being invited to tomorrow's or berlin conference and do you fear that given trump's recent drone assassinations of iranian general silly money that they could take safe good effie out of his alive now there is no doubt we are a straight for safes safety safe it is them is is a libyan citizen and he is a leader and he is loved by and maisha who potion of the libyan population he has a genuine political program and project for the country but no one from outside the future of course wants to listen to him because they know his faults is very dangerous to the agenda of the west a look see if it's there and his followers have been saying. yes now that they

don't talk to take revenge against anyone they don't want conflict they want an independent peaceful and democratic libya and not just talk we have a fairy particular definite written down program for all of this we call for every single european party political current to come together in a debian city nothing better left under the supervision of the african union because we are african and without any foreign participation no one is accepting because they know where this would be a genuine libyan decision would lead to something that the west does not want that's what they call to berlin they know that she barely has a very bad reputation and i think they know that very lean $884.00 the conference in which they divided a freak up between european powers divided african migrants and african wealth now

you come to berlin 2020 it's the same game being played for centuries and i'm not buying it ok well just finally and briefly does it matter if general haftar signs an agreement then but lin or is the question itself meaningless and do you think he's about to take tripoli regardless we are challenging because our lights will have to is a very particular one have to came under the cia an american army protection in 2011 we will not forget that he claims now that he is seeking libya's independence and create them and that's why we are working under he's you know official command in the libyan army but if he cites anything kimberlin if you cause against libyans and libya sovereignty and libya's independence i'm free to make no mistake we will work no more but have to and so. so soldiers i'm also service we go out of

their way to oppose such an agreement their whole equation of the libyan situation would be changed and i think there's a brim thank you thank you have after the break as shin fein lobbies in washington how much will it really cost london to reinstate local governments in northern ireland we speak to the parties responsible for reconvening stormont political coming up about to have going underground. america has built a prison called the world and it's the prison it's the right it runs the prison and the cost of building that prison is 0 because it's all based on everyone in the world is still willing to accept dollars trade in dollars clear through the new york fed and worship the us dollar wherever you go you'll find a.t.m.'s and countries where as the local currency and dollars right dollar is got no matter

what religion you say you are around the world the fact is you pray to the us dollar every day. for. wisdom is the output of practical knowledge you know group or your ways in novel contexts but if you learn a particular scenario being a class could be brilliant and you encounter that exact same scenario knowing what to do is just memory wisdom that's not learning it's just memorizing some wisdom comes when you are facing a brain new context and you can draw upon tools in florida other contexts systematically to know what you do. welcome back well after 3 years. resided just switch the lights back on in stormont

having reached a power sharing agreement but how fragile is it with sums of money differing in the billions and the h.s. nurses on strike the path to power looks anything but certain joining me now is in vain and people middle to front seem a lot i fancy thanks for coming back on so your shin frame finance minister there instrument corner murphy saying johnson's money falls well short of his promises what do you make of it is a very strong promises from both the secular state on burst and on the 2 governments on their commitments to financially support they knew exactly what up and running protected to deal with the north or strike on the party so it is very important that the 2 governments lead up to the problems of their own making and the money that they were through and how much money are we talking about well the actual amount of money is not said he defined because the executive is only up and running they're still trying to find exactly what is required to do it what would basically what we're saying is one is the british government did give an agreement

that they would meet the party issues around the nurses' pay but also what we want to move into is the 3 year sakal of budgetary lane instead of what we will call on of a one year cycle that needs to be an ongoing commitment that's not just because you can then turn the lights off instrument and for another 3 years once you've got the commitment for the budget for 3 years no what we want is the we want this to walk we want the executive to have the resources to make it work unless they're for george or there we found in the past though the british government when the conservative quinta government and the irish government both they basically said with us it's settled a sort of this is not a sacrament the days are gone for the d.p. when it could ask a 1000000000 pounds for parliamentary support to keep a british prime minister in power although he was going to reinvest the junior in a 2nd he was talking about billions before the election of course the parliamentary arithmetic is different but one economist doctor has been bernie claims it will take 5000000000. to get strawman running probably up to 3 years of no government

where we saw with a sturdy measures of the control to govern the past who do it with throwing money from the assembly and that to actually brought part of the don't fall apart because people are active found a find with debate to make and walk people's expectations are very high of what this family can deliver don't have a number of the not a number of this point in time really they should have a number of the negotiating the board strengthen the fact was that the british government hold all the figures they hold all the departments at this point in time what we're doing is the transition over and what we're saying is that the needs of the proper resources are the government were promising that that needs to be fulfilled do you think your party's over the general election because of the austerity i mean the health service you mentioned because a strike in the past 24 hours coordinated action 41 percent of inpatient waiting times exceed 52 weeks in england in wales not one region exceeded one percent i mean the health service in. unbelievable and when it comes to austerity more than

$200.00 people dead over a period of 18 months the health service was actually been undermined completely the resources won't be put end to make it happen and make a book so what we need is the pay party to actually be really established and to ensure that nurses actually have the but also not in numbers the staffing numbers need to be increased to make the hospital to be able to walk and what we're find in the past was that that money would have been really withdrawn from the assembly and would have been withdrawn from the nurses' pay. will you shut down stormont again not a bit of shortened turns downward i think if with the deal here but if the resource is not there then base what we're seeing is storming cantilever. ok is that because you've got the irish torch in schools element in. place as regards the coming back to stormont despite the fact that prosecution of u.k. soldiers during the troubles seems very much up in the air because

a lot of people talk in westminster about that no happening well i think what we have to separate the 2 issues a language issue is operator and what we have now though is a language in strained into the norden an act are not sets aside the old established legislation which basically discriminated against iceland which speakers the language in general on the issue of justice for those who actually have committed wrongdoing we actually need to ensure that british soldier or anyone else do not escaped the right track to stand up and to be charged if they are guilty of offenses that were a court judge in the troubles your colleague john vinu can is in washington talking to members of congress about irish issues his father of course was murdered in suspicious circumstances been which is interview on our you tube channel do you think he get american support for the prosecution of british soldiers we know the boris johnson listens to the americans who were born in america well i think we do

need to get the support of the irish government to the american government and the european union to ensure that the good friday agreement and all the aspects of the good friday agreement are implemented the speaker has already said that listen to trade and that's one of the things that joins talking about is that if there is any infringement on the good friday agreement then that the americans won't be saying no to any trade deals with the british government ok but do you think are enforced has done more for the irish unification than the ira well i think bracks has had ordered. backs it has actually done not what we have now is the opportunity for the irish people to come together within the european union the whole island. try to try and build the irish unity within that and i think there's a growing support for that right across the board people who never were thinking about irish independent are no thinking about it those who actually feel that they're being infringed by the loss of the commitments of the european union you

think nigel farage for that well certainly his place park with or not ok well that we've got an interview on monday with a guy called willie call in new used to work for you is a self-confessed m i 5 spy he makes some reallocations in his new book what would you make me say one in 4 of the ira were one point u.k. intelligence and to that they were members of m i 5 who sort of united i would you make of well i think you always take the role of really had within and he said that he was such a spy and i think when you look at out there and what his role was it was fake news that he was presenting on fact reports that he was presenting back to the british government if you do not particularly and i think what we read now that is one is he selling a book but secondly it is a continuation of the tech news after a long period of time whenever he was long out of vienna on a right of the republicans the secret diary entry that you do training on the side

certainly not on the i think you know if you go back to those sort of bad old days whenever that was the main question to active and i think it is important that we do recognise her in an entirely new situation we need to move on francine like thank you thank you. well the piece says they will restore faith in politics at stormont but for how much joining me now is do you pm people know what i'm doing in paisley thanks so much in for coming back on the show so your reaction to the restoration of ulster power sharing given finance minister economy us this of france of a lawyer just now says that johnson's money falls way short of what was promised more than a well other. is very important up north monde those get a fair dade and to have the evolution working properly it's got to be properly fund that a northern ireland because of i are a terrorism for 40 years a suffered a more than on the other part of the united kingdom so it needs to rebuild it needs up a what not only a peace dividend but

a financed divident flew in from the peace process that as costly let's worth it i will make north on phil very much part and parcel of the united kingdom on it will settle things and it good i'm positive way a look the piles of things all flew from what for our nurtures for a teacher's for a police officers public sector workers very very critical nor them but 70 percent of the workforce there let's make sure that they they they get a good day lot of those well there's we had less scored it is strike action in the help service in surely the u.p.d. knows the figure big is if boers drugs and hadn't begun prime minister because the d'you be had stopped its coordination in bottom and with the raise a may as you said to meet all in this shoe you were going to gave the fig it was a 1000000000 pounds laws to him he was to have a bull the book of a libyan pons which we negotiate jury in the last 3 years of confidence and supply will so do 5 key projects i'm we identified aman put a cost to them not money has been paid and delivered a northern on does benefit of from lot these are new projects about and sure enough

for example our health workers are nurses or doctors how of pay potty with rest and i king than there are figures for all of these things the figures upping bonded a raw in their the civil service know what they are there been home darn to the exact a mines law said the ross was on northern ireland on monday of the past wake i think he forgot to bring this checkbook next time he won't forget ok will the ranges up to 5000000000 a golding by very odd he wrote for lot of glasnost and as when barney's frager's i think our are if you look at it absolutely everything the could possibly be dawn thought would be certain a figure that out we be a wonderful it would usually one that i don't think valve is where the real figure will ultimately pay him what's important that we set a people's expectations proper like ok we'll a bedrock of d'you people o.c. opposition to the unification of the reunification of the island of violent have you know basically created this consensus now in which a united ireland is inevitable there is a border down the irish sea that has been proposed by boris johnson and agreed with

the european union what will 1st of all the border that you speak about as of course a traitor arrangement in terms of making sure the up trade flows with fight disruption post but accept all regulations and all it will be those of the southern and regulatory arrangements like we would like to make sure that is meant to get out of the managed as much as possible and the next year of trade negotiations will be crucial to easing it's basically a shorter amount of time and savor and see my lawyer. in 5 years and we draw agreement will be 2 years and therefore you'll sort it all out is. not only is older than me but he looks from sort of be older than me and he knows that there's never been a united ireland that has lifetime there will never be one in my lifetime none of your engine constituents secretly wanting a united ireland to take advantage of european union trade no because of the sly voting of the general election vision for. the north koreans but collapsed north

and they were at 60 percent i think today that 6 percent and the north on them so that they collapsed dramatically no i think people want to see stable politics stop this man on the moon in pursuit of only elastic things let's focus on what people really need stability politically good jobs subs but colony going forward i'm delighted that we have the best employment figures that we've ever had in our lifetime look at the best and what investment figures whatever out of my lifetime let's try those things other people make it easier ok with the lawyer said about boris johnson's comments on wednesday in parliament about vexatious claims on legacy issues it was ludicrous for him to suggest the c.p.s. is unfairly pursuing. prosecutions of u.k. soldiers unfair ones what does it feel like for you with the prospect of you maybe having to show your passport in the border as you cross to visit westminster amidst fair prosecutions of u.k.

soldiers for what happened during the troubles well i think of a few i mean if you travel at the moment on domestic flight in the united kingdom you will more than likely have to show photo right down to that you can choose if you need a passport for international travel what i would like to say is to make sure that we don't have over exert of under strict of procedures in place that may not. like a plea a part northern ireland to work on with demonstrators through our history to feed a plea of swith and the united kingdom to be a success the days in the $195060.00 s. and seventy's when it became a place apart things went dark spiral where religious people were britain will move their business is to go in for you always be physical sure engine will welcome people from england surely with the hindu a man name willie call it yes on monday a self-confessed m i 5 spy do you think that is comments like one in 4 in the ira where you get intelligence and the fact that there was

a senior voices in m i 5 actually secret disorder united ireland seem. believable i don't think it's comment very specifically about a former or current m i 5 operative for the sake of paperwork but i will read his book about to be answered by the british so i will make some some general comments which i think are important i think that using human intelligence sources to counter terrorism is a very very specialised talk that m i 5 and the british security services not only developed in northern ireland but lead across the world and something which they share with friendly nations is the hard to conquer and to a counterinsurgency programs for people who will turn and side the organization was very widely used in northern ireland very deliberately to undermine that ray will be supporting this story lou investigations unit mandated by the good friday will be over the line marks if i'm for justice equal justice so if there is sufficient evidence to prove the song was done something wrong that they're held responsible and accountable join

a court of law that for example former police officers are not held to a different kind to in order on a higher standard than ordinary citizens we've got to be make sure that also sins are held and the fact of the matter for me is that i think the police officers are going to be given a very former police officers are going to be given a very role daily and a legacy inquiry because this paperwork completeness that shows where and when police officers where there's no paperwork completeness for these illegal organizations the terror groups that operate which is you just said we're interested by the secrets it has but there was but there's no proper paper trail within the organization there's nothing for an expert to look up on the say how do we know i get to the bottom of this particular crime therefore i think people should be held to come through the ordinary process of law and order that makes good justice in beijing thank you thank you that's a show on monday when there's boris johnson was not do investigate u.k. collusion paramilitary killing in an island of badly we further investigate british security service of all that in the fight for reunification with

a self-confessed and i 5 spy in general and judge was social media jovi. subscribe to a church of. what holds its institutions. to put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president and you. want to be rich. but you'd like to be 1st that's what before 3 of the more people that i think are still always at the water's edge. there should. be.

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