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over to mark. informatics seems the french president has rushed down to paris there are a hail of. protesters chanting mccrone resign trying to confront him. a russian computer program arrested in greece at washington's request pleas for help claiming he's been tortured and denied his basic rights. and russia mocks 77 years since the end of the siege of leningrad one of world war 2 is most appalling humanitarian disaster. for those all the headlines for now and that's it from me jacqueline vega will be here in the next hour to take you through the latest news from around the world and stay with us for going underground next to an
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international well in the you can island it's time for sputnik. after a time you were going underground as reapproach 9 years since britain and the united states used their forces to destroy africa's riches pick up a country and in a week when moscow attempted to broker peace in libya coming up in the show 24 hours ahead of the berlin summit to find a peaceful solution to libya's post nato intervention abraham form a spokesperson for libyan leader moammar gadhafi and how stable is restored power sharing in its bickering over money. to rule out to prosecution of u.k. soldiers during the troubles of the do p.z. and. paisley jr and shin feigns from seem
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a lot about putting irish before english told us more coming up in today's going underground a 1st u.k. labor leader jeremy corben defended his election manifesto against boris johnson the prime minister's questions on wednesday almost seeming unaware it has been rejected by the british people but while his party in fights over its pro israel leadership candidates the subject of democracy itself was raised by this scottish m.p. the prime minister said in the letter to the 1st minister of scotland. of the people of scotland to have a choice over their own future mr speaker this was not a surprise the prime minister is a democracy prime minister boris johnson denied that allegation before later being asked arguably about defacto democracy in syria a country johnson voted to bomb my constituent resign that came to the u.k.'s toughest refugees fleeing persecution and human rights abuses committed by turkish
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backed places in syria have how many remain in the area and she is and daily fear for their life that there are multiple reports of human rights abuses against civilians in syria including every court said test forces used fice white phosphorus against children johnson said he has raised human rights with his nato partners we have brought raised our concerns about the operation in northern syria with the turkish government be present early on several times and. we should lead to poor any abuse of human rights but turkey is of course very much on britain's side in the country boned by his former etonian friend david cameron and tomorrow chancellor angela merkel hosts a conference following on from vladimir putin's in moscow to seek peace in what was once africa's richest because it's a country joining me now via skype from germany the country that will host tomorrow's critical libya talks is the former spokesperson from wal-mart get out free mussa ibrahim thanks so. much of a coming back on the shows
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a putin negotiated some kind of cease fire not sure whether it's holding between turkey supported by britain and the former cia as a general after what do you expect from talks in berlin the more it's extremely easy to get lost in the details of the libyan crisis and this is really a part of the game the imperialist west has been playing for decades and decades and the reason europe interview since case into libya and then what it does it's many agents this chaos for years and years to come sometimes by military means sometimes by political means conferences negotiations economic sanctions you end the crees european union unfoldment all of this is to keep the country and the control so they can rock its national wealth and control its political system and
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prevent more importantly its population from rising up and making sure that their country is sovereign and independent from foreign influence the berlin conference is just another step in this that action ok the new good guys and bad guys is the corporate media or love so much is it your understand the ceasefire at least is holding in libya there are reports of some turkish backed g.n.a.t. that's the un mandated soldiers dying and have you been invited to the berlin government has safeguard every bit invited to the berlin government from the outside they claim that they are inviting everyone the reason that they imposed a ceasefire specially a from tech aside is because they understood that the libyan army was about to catch a ship or now those leading the libyan army with their previous sea. i assume
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it's as you say but the green the resistance of libya has been using the libyan army as a fake to move forward and got antique and level of sovereignty and independence for their country they can with this cease fire to save the islamist militias and the so-called government of national accord that they imposed upon the libyan people people in 2004 so it is the entire international community that is against the libyan people ugly and actually i mean general after being a former cia asset are you saying that this conference has been hastily can read because the government of national accord was about to lose all power and it is mandated by all the security council members during china including russia let alone britain of the united states this is something that the west does all the time they change the roads they are assigned roles between different parties in any
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conflict germany was you know one of the better countries of europe in 2011 and she wasn't involved heavily in the poem by argument of libya even objected to the very act of war and proposed a peaceful road for negotiation and that's the reason the very reason germany has been chosen because the other european powers have been in jeet morally bankrupt libya completely and i'm certain that no initiative that can come from france italy or britain let alone the states of course take as well because of its cultural and religious and historical links to libya was chosen and appointed by its european allies to manage the case jointly with gen many for the next few years they always chang. asia they changed the parties that's playing the parts but
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the core of the matter is the same keep libya politically weak and the control of the west keep propping the national wealth make sure that the libyan population does not rise up to gain libya back and make it independent and strong and of course as you know what she claims the need to talk about democracy elections negotiations cease fires and they do it very well with newspapers media with expands intellectuals and we are awaiting this man not to be for the game but that was ok but a gave have to her is backed by paris abu dhabi cairo riyadh france obviously also backing the g.n.a.t. trump criticizing a turkish agreement over oil between. government and national accord government saying it was unhelpful and not sure that means trump is going to come to the
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rescue what is the green resistance there has been as you just mentioned the media intellectuals and the rest of it it is not mentioned in the context of libya inside libya all libyans are aware of korean persistence we are everywhere we are there many we are the majority even our any inside the country admit to that and actually they have been for years not saying it publicly they know any sure political such of any transparent truly genuine democratic system will lead to libya being green again i agree it is not does not mean that we are going to own it all government for ourselves it means we are going to liberate it from the foreign and because it is an international pitch up against the green resistance we decided many of us to enjoy in the vacant which is the libyan army. the libyan army
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is composed maybe more than 80 percent of officers and soldiers of the green and the west knows that and they don't want libya true you know with the doing of the green systems to go back to being independent so friendly and therefore go back to the owner can't the fists as and there's often importation of uniting africa uniting the arab world opposing computer ism and then taining the national wealth development independent economic development from the capitalist system that doesn't sound like anytime soon general have said he has no problem with safe gadhafi running for president do we know where the saved obvious even alive let alone the fact is not being invited to tomorrow's berlin conference and do you fear that given trump's recent drone assassinations of iranian general silly money that they could take safe good effie out of his alive now there is no
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doubt we are a straight for safes safety safe it is them is is a libyan citizen and he is a leader and he is loved by and maisha to potion of the libyan population he has a genuine political program and project for the country but no one from outside if you can of course wants to listen to him because they know his faults is very dangerous to the agenda of the west a look see if it's there and his followers have been saying quite years now that they don't talk to take revenge against anyone they don't want to conflict they want an independent peaceful and democratic libya and not just talk we have a fair a particular definite written down program for all of this week or for every single european parts political current to come together in. libyan city nothing better
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live under the supervision of the african union because we are african and without any foreign that isn't they should no one is accepting this because they know where this would be a genuine libyan decision would lead to something that the west does not want that's what they call to berlin they know that she barely has a very bad reputation and ask them how they're going to lean 880 for the conference in which they divided a freak up between european powers divided african mayans and african wealth now you come to berlin 2020 it's the state game being played for centuries and i'm not buying it ok well just finally and briefly does it matter if general haftar signs an agreement then but live or is the question itself meaningless and do you think he's about to take tripoli regardless we are challenging because our lights have to
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is everybody particular one has to came under the cia an american army protection in 2011 we will not forget that he claims now that he is seeking libya's independence and create them and that's why we are working under he's you know official command in the libyan army but if he cites anything kimberlin if you cause against libyans and libyans sovereignty and libya's independence i'm free to make no mistake we will work no more but have to and thousands and thousands of soldiers and officers will go out of their way to oppose such an agreement and the whole equation of the libyan political situation would be changed radically there's a brant thank you thank you option after the break as shin fein lobbies in washington how much will it really cost london to reinstate local government in overnight.
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when we speak of the parties responsible for reconvening stormont political coming up about to going underground. you know before george soros became vilified and a globalist market manipulator and electioneering or he wrote a lot of interesting books and of course c.n.n. and jim rogers had the quantum fund which was one of the best performing hedge funds ever kind of invented the modern hedge fund and he's got a lot of things to say if you look at his old work and we're going to get into it. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world the politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then.
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welcome back well after 3 years the engine frame decided to just switch the lights back on in stormont having reached a power sharing agreement but how fragile is it with sums of money differing in the billions and the h.s. nurses on strike the path to power looks anything but certain joining me now is jim vane m.p. from middle to front seem a lawyer friends thanks for coming back on so your shin frame finance minister there instrument corner murphy saying johnson's money falls well short of his promises what do you make of all that is a very strong promises from both a secular state on burst on and on the 2 goblins on their commitments to financially support they knew exactly what up and running protected to deal with the north or strike on the party so it is very important that the 2 governments lead up to the promises that are making and the money that they were through and how much money are we talking about well the actual amount of money is not said he
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defined because the executive is only up and running they're still trying to find exactly what is required to do it what would basically what we're saying is one is the british government did give an agreement that they would meet the party issues around the nurses' pay but also what we want to move into is the 3 year sakal of budgetary lane instead of what we will get on of a one year cycle that needs to be an ongoing commitment that's not just because you can then turn the lights off instrument and for another 3 years once you've got the commitment for the budget for 3 years no what we want is the we want this to walk we want the executive to have the resources to make it work and unless they have ridge or through there we found in the past though the british government when the conservative quintic of our government and the irish government both they basically said with us it's settled as a sort of this is not a sacrament the days are gone for the d.p. when it could ask a 1000000000 pounds for parliamentary support to keep a british prime minister in power although he was going to agree and basically jr
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in a in a 2nd he was talking about billions before the election of course the parliament. is different but one economist dr has been bernie claims it will take 5000000000 pounds to get strawman running probably up to 3 years of no government we saw with a sturdy measures of the control to govern the past who do it withdrawing money from the assembly and that actually brought part of the don't fall apart because people are active found a find with the bay to make and walk people's expectations are very high of what this family can deliver they don't have a number the not a number of this point in time only they should have a number of the negotiating with boards around the fact was that the british government hold all the figures they hold all the parties at this point in time what we're doing is the transition over and what we're saying is that the needs of the proper resources are the government were promising that that needs to be fulfilled do you think your party's over the general election because of the austerity i mean the health service you mentioned because a strike in the past 24 hours coordinated action 41 percent of inpatient waiting
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times exceed $52.00 weeks in england in wales not one region exceeded one percent in the health service in just seems unbelievable and when it comes to austerity more than $200.00 people dead over a period of 18 months homeless deaths well i think the situation is that the health service was actually been undermined completely the resources want to put an end to make it happen and make a book so what we need is the pay party to act to be really established and to ensure that nurses actually have the but also not in numbers the staffing numbers need to be increased to make the hospital to be able to walk and what we're find in the past was that that money would have been really withdrawn from the assembly and would have been withdrawn from the nurses' pay. will you shut down stormont again not a bit of shopping burns down but i think it with the deal here but if the resource is not there then base what we're seeing this storm cantilever. ok is that because
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you've got the irish torch in schools element in. place as regards the coming back to stormont despite the fact that prosecution of u.k. soldiers during the troubles seems very much up in the air because a lot of people talking in westminster about that know happening well i think what we have to separate the 2 issues a language issue is operator and what we have now though is a language and strained into the norden and act not sets aside the old established legislation which discriminated against in which a speaker of the language in general on the issue of justice for those who actually have committed wrongdoing we actually need to ensure that british soldier or anyone else do not escape the right track to stand up and to be charged if they are guilty of offenses that were accord join the troubles your colleague john vinu can is in washington talking to members of congress about irish issues his father of course
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was murdered in suspicious circumstances given what is interview on our you tube channel do you think he'll get american support for the prosecution of british soldiers we know the boris johnson listens to the americans who were born in america well i think we do need to get the support of the irish government to the american government and the european union to ensure that the good friday agreement and all the aspects of the good friday agreement are implemented the speaker has already said that listen to trade and that's one of the things the joints talking about is that if there is any infringement on the good friday agreement then that the americans won't be saying no to any trade deals with the british government ok but do you think are being forced to move for irish unification than the ira well i think bracks has had ordered. backs it has actually done not what we have now is the opportunity for the irish people to come together within the european union the whole island. try to try and build the irish unity within that and i think there's
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a growing support for that right across the board people who never were thinking about irish independent are no thinking about it those who actually feel that they're being infringed by the loss of the commitments of the european union you think nigel farage for that well certainly his place park with or not ok well the we've got an interview on monday with a guy called willie call in new used to work for you as a self-confessed m i 5 spy he makes some extraordinary allegations in his new book would would you make repeated one in 4 of the ira were one point u.k. intelligence and of that there were members of m i 5 who sort of united i would you make of well i think you always take the role of really had within and he said that he was such a spy and i think when you look at out there and what his role was it was fake use that he was present in on fact reports that were presented back to the british government if you do not particularly and i think what we're reading now who is one
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is he selling the book but secondly it is a continual east no doubt tech news after a long period of time whenever when he was long out of vienna on a right of the republicans there was a secret diary entry cabal that you do training on the side certainly not on the i think you know if you go back to those sort of bad old days whenever that was the main question to active and i think it is important that we do recognise her in an entirely new situation we need to move on from tim and i thank you thank you. well the piece says they will restore faith in politics at stormont but for how much joining me now is even more than 3 in paisley thanks so much in for coming back on the show so your reaction to the restoration of ulster power sharing given finance minister a quantum of us this of france of a lawyer just now says that johnson's money falls way short of what was promised more than a well other. very important that north those get
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a fair deal and to have the evolution working properly it's got to be properly funded and northern ireland because of ira terrorism for 40 years has suffered more than on the other part of the united kingdom so it needs to rebuild it needs what not only a peace dividend but a finance flowing from the peace process that is costly it's worth it it will make north on feel very much part and parcel of the united kingdom and it will settle things in a good and positive way and look at the positive things that flow from it for nurses for teachers for police officers public sector workers very very critical nor them but 70 percent of the workforce there let's make sure that they get a good deal of those. who would it is strike action in the health service in the nose the figures because it was drugs and hadn't become prime minister because the d.p. had stopped its coordination involvement with the resume as you said to me on this issue you were going to give the figures it was a 1000000000 pounds and you must have
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a bull book which we negotiate during the last 3 years of conference and supply was to do 5 key projects and we identified them and put a cost to them that money has been paid and delivered in northern and has benefited from not these are new projects. and sure enough for example our health workers our nurses or doctors have paid with the rest and i can then there are figures for all of these things the figures are being bandied around they're the civil service and what they are they're being home daryn to the exact mines we all said the response was in northern ireland on monday of the past week i think he forgot to bring this checkbook next time he would forget ok well the range is up to 5000000000 a good and i've already wrote a lot of glasnost and as one barney's figures i think are if you look at absolutely everything that could possibly be done that would be certainly would be a wonderful it would. be but i don't think god knows where the real figure will ultimately be most important that we set a people's expectations properly ok well the bedrock of do you people will see. opposition to the unification or reunification of the island violent have you know
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basically created this consensus now in which a united ireland is inevitable there is a border down the irish sea that has been proposed by boris johnson and agreed with the european union what will 1st of all the border that you speak about as of course 8 be treated arrangement in terms of making sure the up trade flows or fight disruption post but accept all regulations and all it will be those of the southern and regulatory arrangements like we would like to make sure those met or get out of the minister as much as possible and the next year of trade negotiations will be crucial to easing it's basically a shorter amount of time and savor and see my lawyer in france i think. in 5 years and we draw agreement will be 2 years and therefore you'll sort it all out is. not only is older than me but he looks from sort of be older than me and he knows that there's never been a united ireland the pres lifetime there will never be one in my lifetime none of
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your engine constituents secretly wanting a united ireland to take advantage of a european union trade no because on the sly voting in the general election vision for. north koreans but collapsed north and they were at 60 percent i think today they're 6 percent and north on them so they collapse dramatically no i think people want to see stable politics stop this man on the moon pursuit of only elastic things let's focus on what people really need stability politically good jobs a sense but colony going forward i'm delighted that we have the best employment figures that we've ever had in our lifetime look at the best and what investment figures will forever out of my lifetime that strive those things out to be. ok with the lawyer said about boris johnson's comments on wednesday in parliament about vexatious claims on legacy issues it was ludicrous for him to suggest the c.p.s. is unfairly pursuing. prosecutions of u.k.
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soldiers unfair ones what does it feel like for you with the prospect of you maybe having to show your passport in the border as you cross to visit westminster amidst fair prosecutions of u.k. soldiers for what happened during the troubles but i think that's a fairly jaundiced view i mean if you travel at the moment on domestic flight in the united kingdom you will more than likely have to show photo right down to that you can choose if you need a passport for international travel what i would like to say is to make sure that we don't have over exert of under strict of procedures in place that may not. like a plea a part northern ireland to work on with demonstrators throughout history has to feed a plea a swift and the united kingdom to be a success the days in the $195060.00 s. and seventy's when it became a place apart things went dark spiral where the lives of people from britain will move their business is to get the european union the benefits of trade who knows again on monday we're going to speak i did hear in facetiously you always be
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facetious you and jim will welcome people from england surely with the hindu a man named willie call it yes and on monday a self-confessed m i 5 spy do you think that is comments like one in 4 in the ira were u.k. intelligence and the fact that there was a senior voices in m i 5 who actually secretly sort of united ireland seem. believable i don't think it's comment very specifically but a former or current m i 5 all part of the go paper with it will be read his book about to be answered by the british so i will make some some general comments which i think are important i think that using human intelligence sources to counter terrorism is a very very specialised talk that m i 5 and the british security services not only developed in northern ireland but lead across the world and something which they share with friendly nations is to hard to conquer and do a counterinsurgency programs for people who will turn and side the organization was
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very widely used in northern ireland very deliberately to undermine that ray will be supporting this story lou best occasions unit mandated by the good friday will be the one locks if i'm for justice equal justice so if there is sufficient evidence to prove the song was done something wrong that they're held responsible and accountable join a court of law that for example former police officers are not held to a different kind to in order on a higher standard than ordinary citizens we've got to be make sure that also sins are held the fact of the matter for me is that i think the police officers are going to be given a very former police officers are going to be given a very raw daily and a legacy inquiry because this paperwork completeness that shows where and when police officers where there's no paperwork completeness for these illegal organizations the terror groups that operate which is you just said we're interested by the secrets it has but there was but there's no proper paper trail within those organizations there's nothing for an expert to scan them to look up on the say how do we know i get to the bottom of this particular crime therefore i
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think people should be held to come through the ordinary process of law and order that makes good justice in beijing thank you thank you that's a show call monday when there's boris johnson was not do investigate u.k. collusion of biology killing in an island of badly we further investigate british security says involved in the fight for reunification with a self-confessed away 5 spy and dylan was social media jovi. you know world of big movies. and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door. and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's.
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