sadia but to analyze what exactly will happen to russia's can situation and to russian political system in the result of well as you point in your point out in your article the changes proposed by putin introduce checks and balances on his close associates and at the same time and i'm quoting you here ensuring the country's judiciary legislative and executive bodies remain passive and that sounds like a bit of an excessive moron to me how can he'll limit the personal influence of his associates without empowering institutions well the reason why i have described what's going on in a way you have cited is that there are different stages when transformed in the political system at this stage all political institutions very weak and the throes of a weakened by thirst move some made by the president but it can not last for long

and thin the want to transform the system here should definitely establish or restore or strength and political institutions that's why we can speak about claiming all of this report reform so that's why i. go in on not well shortly before 2024 but it's going on no because it takes a lot of time to establish institutions to change them to check whether they can to make them practically useful but mr petrov i'm sure you would agree that putin doesn't want to see a russia governed by and not that putin and i personally don't see any ah there are alternatives to you putin is that would satisfy leiden if we can on personal and historical grounds other than democracy what is the other scenario that would provide. an absolute curated guarantees for him personally without empowering

individuals while also ensuring his place in history not only as somebody who raised russia from its knees but also somebody who put it on the path of stable politically stable development in my view a democrat is a sham it's exactly what putin doesn't need it because in this case he will be vulnerable because in this case and in. so the development can lead to questioning him how exactly he was acting as a president did anything since so one way to go he definitely doesn't want so there are no authority around leaders who would like to democratize this system when leaving from there this because see it security problem but if he keeps the current system in place with the super strong presidency he could be just as vulnerable if

not more vulnerable to the same kind of a prosecution or persecution whatever you call it in fact i thought that those checks and balances on the so-called of a kid that you talked about the law enforcement the security agencies that actually sized their power in very oblique ways those the introduction of those checks and balances would make the russian government far more transparent than it is now is that really not a good thing. well 1st of all wish should not speak about checks and balances in the real sense way should speak about kwasi the checks and balances wage will somehow in the bowl to come trawled. next president who will not because they have powerful as putin looks know that will enable somehow to balance the powerful institution say on 1st of all. exactly and

so wouldn't that make russia by extent more democratic even though even if that's serving put in its own personal goals if one does make this system more balanced and more democratic well speaking about balance in this system where should be for bit when balancing from outside from it's of citizens all balancing from one side and no with to see the changes switch leading to these balancing from the inside to providing the kind of. checks wage will in the able. first of all to keep some holly in power i'm not speaking about. as he does he have no but keeping control over some strategic move sent strategic decisions and to the same thing not to let anybody including his

successor to change their system easily is that bad or in a way which will not be in favor of those who are implementing one goal in transformation you know one of the scholars that i see quoted a log these days in russia is daniel trace a man and his article democracy by mistake in which he comes to the conclusion that out of the $146.00 political systems dad democratized over the last century and a half only see. sad and precise and did it by in time in all the abba cases the circumstances or that have been logic of history the logic of development to care of that do you totally rule out this outcome for russia nothing can be ruled out now with this point and it's understandable that transformation of such a scale is very recent and the price that's why by the way we do see how the

kremlin the is. providing all those changes which could be planned. the very beginning but nobody in the it will go that's why they will trace money is absolutely right down to i could see we could see it could have based on for example we could see. with. transformational schemes has been well realised. i would not sustain made they have results as absolutely positive for those who have the transform is this system well i actually agree with you and i'm sure you remember this the famous saying by former prime minister of russia viktor chernomyrdin that we were aiming for the bad but it all turned out as usual do you think putin at this point of time has enough influence and.

instruments to see whatever he wants to be realized realized in the way he wants it to be it i am not that sure. to see the 2 major reasons one can they have to it with a flag that the life scale of reform which is going on now is not the one which has been discussed for long by different to experts and that's why wage could be seen as more or less well creepy it what we do see in though is well prepared but it's a kind of. threshold appear a sham so we cannot be sure that those who are preparing this reform did everything in a way which will guarantee it from different packages can see quinces this is this . well the system was phased the 2nd is connected with the fact that in order that transformation to go on in the smallest way the kremlin did that

we can all institutions which means that it's much easier to make any moves without being some hollow to vote different political players who could intervene. could some hollow try to influence what's going on in their own favor going back to your point about planning i mean russia is not a planned economy anymore and i think the russian leadership has long abandoned any ambition of being able to plan things had in fact it's often accused of playing by the ear and not having enough strategy but one thing that i think is consistent is that any public opinion poll you look at points to a cheering and more demanding populous putin himself mansions dotted almost all his speeches including the latest state of the nation address if that indeed leads to

democratize ation a broader distribution of power within the russian society and the strengthening of the institutions do you think the west and people like yourself the x.-press like yourself who have long been critical of this regime do you think you can accept that as. democratising with putin still being associated but at no i do and i can imagine seeing the area like the ones you've mentioned and like those described by then they'll trace money democracy by mistake or by yes and it can be the case used to be the case in many other well similar circumstances but i can not see any road. well basement for political poor look even at the state duma today they did vote on the main his slit for the well project with.

without. any rejections without any ideas how to improve it this am shelley without any substantial discussion so how could you imagine that they had. to give them as representative self but police. more riots or how could you imagine that the next generation of duma deputies would be at a reprints the population imagine that these are he's only and is a mother i can tell you that development doesn't happen overnight i mean your kid doesn't become a 16 year old 2 months after birth if it all takes time and it takes a certain degree of practicing in making mistakes to reach i think should be allowed to russia as to any other country but let's continue that discussion after every very short break we'll be back in just a few moments. during

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still love no chill just. welcome back to worlds apart bit by patrol feeney a research fellow on russia and eurasia at chatham house mr petrov in addition to those proposed constitutional amendments that may or may not change the way russia has governed in the future the last week witnessed sweeping changes in the way russia is being governed right now in the moment there is

a new cabinet then placed huge. social and infrastructure spending has been announced what do you think about those don't you think that those practical and to be the changes always tend to be more important in russian in the russian context than any future amendments to the constitution i don't think so because. well in my view what we're seeing on january 15th. the beginning of the presidential address was pretty successful kremlin city empty to create a very poor is it if bad groans for all for a name move swayed on not conceded by majority of russians to be that important for them like changing the constitution that's why the president came with a whole bag of different gifts to different social groups and categories

but i don't think they had these. they have more important development then they won. and the problem i see is not that much connected with a fed. the government is giving or is promising to give population no but with a fact how exactly a population in the whole. wot in decision making can take pot in managing themselves by themselves without not waiting for something close gifts like see one of major thinks wages not that much discussed at a time of this transformation is the fact that they have unlike in the conceit to shun the new one will not in the homes they have to sell for administration is separate braincells but not the pot of state management we build you respect them

in local governments and russia is. seemingly extremely weak and sometimes extremely corrupted i mean you are talking about as if major powers are being taken from them when in fact those powers have never been executed properly but to the point you know people governing themselves i have had numerous accidents on the show who have claimed that the issue of bracks it should have never been put to the vote in britain simply because people are not knowledgeable enough to make such a complicated economic and political decision just and to fly and here you are suggesting that. the russian people should decide everything by themselves i mean that in every country there is a realisation that certain powers being delegated to specialists to improve lives in those respective countries like some of you are absolutely right when saying that self administration is extremely weak but its not myself its the

constitution my constitution and to your constitution which proclaims local self administration as separate branch of power not the part of state management a matter of the fact is they have to joining all i would say 25 or even 30 years of development. up a levels being the federal government or even the regional governments trying to take. money in the wall for a local self administration but. coming back to your previous point on democrats i cannot see any at all the way of democratising they come true except for practicing democracy local elections absolutely but integrating the local administrations into the power structure is not going to put an end to that in fact it may empower those

low. administrations and give them the resources now i want to move on from that particular point to a larger one about big gifts you mentioned you know all putin did in the beginning of his addresses just to hand out some presents to you various groups but i see that in the in a very different light i think what we are discussing here is a major shift in the country's economic policy from us charity from the accumulation of resources hugh a more proactive spending on those resources particularly on social and infrastructural projects and whether you like it or not the central government in russia has been pretty successful at saving over the last couple of years do you think it would be just as a fact if that spending would you like it could be just as effective at spending i would like it to be very effective. spending money and promoting economic

development in the contre the only reason they have to it's also boat is can they have to with constituents from by the way with the flags there in the contra like russia you kill a lot to manage the whole big contra consisting of very different regions from one in the same sentence so i would say that in my view as a country is there in march centralised over you need to around the eyes. putin did dick live it will go. and that's why i. can not imagine how exactly. manager can decide what is needed it's what is needed to grow what is needed because i actually leave in russia and i can see and you can see that in pulls off to polls develop every gardasil for each polling organization does it there's a huge swallowing of civility in this country volunteering organisations people

coming to the streets to protest against it. environmental hazards against construction what have you this is unprecedented in this country isn't in nobody's talking about strangling dots kind of activity in fact whatever for the only thing that putin sad in his address is that he wants to bring the state in contact and incorporation of of those groups some whole to you i would rather not discuss my age era but let's say i'm. i've been on this planet long enough to see changes at least in russian so the room. to. say is that no no we do see much more see they. actually leave to this country i am speaking to you from my personal experience i'm sure from london if it appears to be a different picture but the way it's felt here on the ground is very very different and i think it's very uplifting as well my point is that we do not hear of real.

grassroots political activism and this is due to the pressure the government on to local self administration mountain regions you yourself wrote about mosco city elections scandalous most elections last year and you know that they were and number of very prominent civil activists who were running in those elections people like you legally i mean there who has been a major change force for change in moscow wasn't a lower tier wasn't allowed but she can kenya her activism that elections to raise her profile and there are many more people who are following in her footsteps this system is designed because those activists who have to be pretty much effective at municipal level none of them have been allowed to put to sleep we see to do way elections although most. small close the border away which can define

anything. well i hope that's going to change with the next elections and there are already signs that they are far more political representation different political representation. at the local levels and the regional levels you know that elections united russia party this broad kremlin dominant party is no longer capable of winning elections whenever it wants. well 1st of all with do no more here if they are a little a actions for. regional capitals except for 7 cases out of 857 cases that constitute the biggest cities in russia where the majority of the population leave no no no no oxen that is to speak about more school and state business but it's different because they are subject to feed this regime so it's not a boat directed with or a little excellence it's a bold we're not totally actions by the way we're not thought of every

stage by the kremlin so. when. we see him for he says when those who are pointed by puts him has been rejected by popular vote and 20. the kremlin did it by its best in order to avoid the real risk in gubernatorial elections then that's why i'm saying that the system moves in the wrong way it doesn't play a 3000 seat is municipalities to the ball in order to make the system more efficient let me bring you back to the issue of the cabinet because we only have a few minutes left and president putin is known for his knack for balancing in previous cabinet ministers where almost always counter balance by vice premier's representing different groups or different color within the elites the current

government in this regard looks far more how mad cine is i think. it's probably the most liberal government that or the most technocratic government that russia has had in years or in decades. how would you explain to add to fact that there are at least checks and balances that you discussed earlier and not really much visible in the new cabinet well this is a different case i would say they have those. kinds of balancing and you've mentioned is good enough you want to keep stampa squaw and certain balance between live groups like it has been made on the prime minister meets the needs of now with the kremlin wants the government to do something and that's why it looks much more like a team i would not call it liberal i would not quality even technocratic it's it consists of a well relatively good man the joes who are pretty well prepared to realize

just the woods by below also found some some other guys can they act it's with they do this isn't over equanimity and when you seek to do something. something would be what keeping putin in power or pressure you know is just an idea making people's lives better no i think the role of the government is to well promote more to. governmental spending so we do see in the national project swayed on not realized as it has been planned during these 2 years the problem i see is that this government is in my view much more capable to be more effective in doing what it's ordered to do the problem is that it will move in a little bit from different directions so it will be status quo in the main and the

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