because reputedly move of course britain has failed to overthrow the government of president assad of syria there were allegations of ties between britain and islam mr groups to overthrow the syrian government reports of them coming or mass into libya in which case after hours appoint and his allies. well i don't think those allegations of ties in the u.k. and as the mist forces are correct certainly we did support the free syrian army even the we. gave a moral support to a revolution in syria but didn't give it the material support to enable it wherever they break their allegation that there were links i haven't seen that ok but i mean what about the threat of isolation al qaeda than in libya which actually justify have those claims against the weakness if it doesn't justify a continued civil war because the u.n. supported government led by prime ministers iraq has just as much of

a reason to combat islamist extremism and to work for a stable government as have to our does it's not a valid reason for the civil war which after as has fomented i mean you're a diplomat how is it that this un entity the government of national accord which then therefore de facto has the support of turkey and the u.a.e. and front by virtue of it being a un mandated body is also being defacto attacked by or the allegations are by by those countries where this is a problem of the growth of international disorder since the invasion of iraq in 2003 which i think history will share was a seminal moment in the years since then many different countries have sought to be active across their borders and to assert their influence to supply weaponry

to support proxy forces when they think that such action will prevent the worst consequences for their interests finally on libya then did david cameron in libya do a century would journey in iraq that bomb the country overthrow the government written run france the united states the other countries involved in supporting the libyan rebellion in 2011 took a chance they believed that the consequences of not acting could have been mass civilian casualties they thought that if this story. support for ideas of freedom and self-determination meant anything they should mean supporting the request from the arab world from libyans themselves for support for the overthrow of qaddafi now the 2 reasons why the post revolutionary victory stabilisation didn't work was 1st that the

countries that had been involved in the armed campaign had no position on the ground to assist with the necessary civilian reconstruction of institutions that was necessary to achieve stability but the underlying reason for that was that the libyans themselves were very reluctant to accept foreign assistance on the ground that is disputed by it was abraham good to have his spokesperson who in fact this program to the 1st interview since the overthrow of get every with him he said the whole objective of u.k. bombing was to destabilize libya that africa's richest recover the country was evaded african currency this is a completely different to the arguments given by there with cameron by the british government and in fact after relies on the so-called green resistance who so was abrams. they are aligned with safeguard afy he said they if anything

a been signed in berlin that would have been it for after the green resistance would no longer support there was no struggle for libya's natural resources involved in the decisions of the french and british governments at the time to intervene in the libyan revolution oil didn't come into it i don't believe it was about assisting the libyan people to establish stability on the basis of a different and better constitution what was your reaction is a former ambassador to iran. when you heard that because of the silly money the top general of the islamic republic had been assassinated american drone strike it is backed by the british government that action while concern that it was based on half truths that money wasn't actually engaged in imminent attacks on american facilities you don't really remember says well that states at the time and

subsequently has not been able to provide any evidence of the necessary test for preemptive military action never say i'll give them you know it's a good time needs to be secret they could have given it to congress and the congressman described the intelligence briefing as the worst one they'd ever received secondly fear that there would be an uncontrollable series of consequences from inevitable iranian retaliation for the attack 3rd concern that the united states didn't have a strategy for pacifying the gulf for moving from the present high state of tension and the destruction willfully and unnecessary and illegally of the iranian nuclear agreement towards some new arrangement which they claim to want but have never sought any practical detail negotiations to achieve so all these were going through the mine or anybody concerned for peace and stability in the region but it remains

a lot of pressure presumably on the boards or on some government head of or perhaps u.s. u.k. trade deal when it comes to u.k. support for the end of the j.c. pos. no i think the british government will stick with the j.c. . they need european sympathy and support for the more important to go which is the one that's about to start on britain's long term trading and security relationship with the european union there are many pressures on british relations with the united states and iran policy is one of them well russia india china all good relations with iran what did you make of the the evidence for a reproach war between saudi arabia and iran and the letter that because it was

really money had been carrying surely in the foreign office when you were there you it was a nightmare scenario at least to many people who suspect in the global south that nato policy is to divide and rule certainly not nervy what president obama said expresses the view that we all have which is that saudi arabia and iran need to find modus vivendi in which each respects the legitimate interests of the other now that means defining what legitimate interests are and that requires diplomacy so. it was indeed the case as the prime minister of iraq has said that general salim ani had a message in his pocket now exactly what the message was hasn't been declared and that must be right and proper because it will have been extremely sensitive it could have been about avoiding unnecessary competition between them in iraq it

could have been about a framework for settling the wide range of issues on which iran and iraq disagree or it could have been about the immediate problem in yemen which saudi arabia had. which is that it is no nearer achieving stability after this appalling bombing campaign that it is conducted well who knows boeing it should be said in the world was humanitarian crisis with the british actually just finally and briefly given that you were also of course palestine's ambassador kind of was in town surely he might be telling the british government the kind of criticisms you're making of the trump administration unfounded there's a deal of the century being worked out in washington i know the palestinians have threatened to withdraw from the oslo accords that they are keen on trying to create a peaceful world the job of this race when it's not a deal i mean to call it

a deal is simply ludicrous it's a unilateral amounts of proposals that the american administration in consultation with israel considers should resolve the question so it's not a negotiation that the united states is engaged in because it is totally alienated one side of the negotiation and the palestinian one so it's little thank you thank you after the break he's proved he can walk the walk but can he go through not just story of dr crookshank but his new book exploring the history of london and its architecture when you mentally linked the british imperial wars and the moneyed cultural bulldozers of property developers baltimore can have a part to have going underground. seemed wrong long wrong just don't call. me. yet to ship

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air the rain the snow the founder nothing they have no protection. to get what you . know it's ok. the cross to us cruel puppy mills are supported by dog shows and pet stores most of the puppies are coming from this large scale factory farming kind of operations are being sold in stores even joined a group businesses are involved like congo among santa there's been a shocking amount of organized opposition to adverts to increase the standards of care. for dogs bred in commercial breeding facility most of that opposition is coming from huge agricultural industries that have nothing to do with jobs don't buy dog. welcome back time can't even take for a broken big ben as question marks hang over boris johnson's attempt to get the bell ringing for brix it in 48 hours time breaking the silence there is author of

architectural historian dan cruickshank whose new book shanks london a portrait of a city in 13 walks tells us why we should fight for buildings he joins me now dan welcome back to going underground so you've been writing about london for getting on to half a century. what. i know a portray diverse city and walks have happened some time i just felt. and of london i want to tell papa that story. you have had your differences in the bus with the bars johnson over the development of your home area in london spittle fields area but arguably this book is your own side when it comes to the importance of the identity of the palace of westminster and big ben barnes johnson of course sees the big banners ringing out the it's not leaving the european union but leaving political responsibility in the european union or they were subject to regulations from i'm alarmed to say i do maybe i'm with him on one thing as mayor of london he

was he was a difficult character should be set in and certainly in spital fields and elsewhere that occasions many use powers of the med he inherited look incredible to overturn democratic decisions to happen twice and pitiful big ben quite i did that caused him to get a. yes treatment in this and is of course entirely fantastic in moving the world you know i do say that over the but chimes of freedom you know the the bell the big ben in the list but how has that as a critical moment marked the voice i suppose of independents voice of oppositions and sununu 2nd world war 2 totalitarian regimes so it's a visible is a big deal for me that eric symbol i want to get on to the bell in a 2nd but just tell me how you investigate how for instance why people bowed to the speaker's chair in the house of commons it all relates to this very long oh what

a mr cole is a wonderfully english british what became the chamber of the house of commons wilson stephen chappell. of 13th century 13th century modeled on rochelle in periscope chapel and at the reformation the palace was give not by henry 8 but by his son to parliament to do and they did and the. chapel became debating chamber yet the rituals of a chapel were retained the sitting in the room will catch a total c.t. of left in life face each other across the open space retained in that and the speaker took the place of the high altar in other places is that it's a wonderfully english is idea that the ritual of one building on the full one building for. attaway transform to the other and that and then that which will become part and parcel of our democratic life the based i say on on kinship before the before the river as just smooth transition because of course it has its

detractors as great a fake building if the fake cough they get was a rebuild after the my you talk about the rebuilding off of the authentic big tour in gothic alofa thought it was an idea that should be designed in a british manner and in $830.00 the idea that british style was what's good got it and they also believe it was structured superior to the classical who is a statement about using a traditional architecture to make a modern building for the modern time and again after the blitz you talk about available yet the chamber's was all about it knowledge i used to recreate as i said in terms of but they had a choice they could have done something there that support the doctors in the role of oxygen and the memory identity in pride and there's no question that that it was necessary to write the great wall of the of house of commons of being one of nazis to rebuild as if it hadn't happened so many districts analyze in this book but arguably there is a thread of class war throughout the book but it's always economics it's always.

rich developers and so on. the foundry that forged the big ben the bell that morris johnson wants to ring for the year. i have a son is to be shed will do a turn into a posh hotel yet it is such an emblematic story i mean it is a white chapel bell foundry in march is its. oldest or more wasn't until a couple years ago been continuous for operational business and if it were going concern told the family who do it inherited business in the early twenties entry they sold it that they had the right to do that that's fine majority sad but they brought that it was sold. but the local dismay because it was part and parcel of upright my identity watches london's great business going beautiful set of 1820 buildings local employment and it was a place known around the world people in philadelphia big big bens on it many

important bell had been made a traditional liberty bell in the build up city for where the us constitution were forged and that at the simple idea was that. was it truly beyond saving as a business making bells and that's kind of that's the grassroots of the opposition people feel the best use for his doorbell found making bells we are told by the people of acquired it ultimately was a manhunt a public company that is their business future making bowls and they want to make a large part of it into a pretty could be pretty photo op but keeping the target is a captive problem not to grab your master mission of dorrit buildings but whether one not one recalls a boutique hotel next to these on the most for example on my chapel as opposed to a work in going business making bells if i keep that is brilliant another pretty tell carrie maybe but even if. for what i'll do in hamster the north london

suburb if anyone thinks it's a new this kind of gentrification or whatever tell me about the extraordinary attempts to completely annihilate have 8th those who know hands of teeth will no doubt think understandably forgiving plea is on. board. north of london and it is such and it and attractive people like you can spoil 99 percent of painting was wild terrain. in the city dump in fact a lot of what you now see and experience of which is quite new the woods the wildness it's kind of all my trying to center before that the world of the trees marking still boundaries and is up for grabs and in you know. 19th century large large part and by family in marin will sniff them and he wanted to develop it. a large chunk of the heath for houses and it was a vast opposition on a great one the 1st big popular campaigns to save the open space in the end

thank goodness the. sense prevailed and it will say it was the 20 or 30 years all hands to that of a large chunk with under the under threat of being turned into streets and so on to vote of course the unintended consequences of up capital is property development. quite amusing when it comes to notting hill gate is actually notting hill probably more known around the world because of film and. just explain how that whole area as it presently is was in the design actually you don't kow ok i think one thing general polan point to make about london is a work of art by city built on this hope by speculators from the great foreign 16 seconds that's how london was made by the mazak individual states putting money into bricks and mortar and by chance creating exemplary and wonderful it's a city and not ok it was a great example of that in a while later in the 1st of the 19th century various estates thought they could

make money by expanding transforming their farmland into held his ground houses and all went horribly wrong. and these beneath these great estates found that the london the demand was quite what they anticipated and those streets were laid out in zones of all the. pieces are so you know to do not ok there is a wonderful example of them and bishan 40 down and then other other other other other models juices arriving a medical condition picked up again and what you've got around of the laboratory and for the terrific aside from the probably speculation when the government does come in they come in arguably for him p. . aerial celebration you talk about trafalgar square and there's a lot of debate actually now on about the tearing down of statue e.-l. nearly 9 since it was his notion to greatest triumph route through london for the

nigger ultimately a new square have to be made carved out and that becomes trafalgar square and fox where is carved to make this weird and wonderful very an english a triumphal space to tell of a victory military victory there is talk of these statues charles gordon from sudan charles napier around the square would know is a military square so the statues all military heroes you see the general have a long indian mutiny with no money for nelson's call me can walk up the stupid. didn't the money the prince $10.00. minutes really you talk about the tower of london much earlier in london being is very much for propaganda purposes the norms of the understand quite correctly how the how the whole of control over all of their compas is based of building fortresses bottom bail you have around the country hold you hold the train through fortifications and the tower is a great example here you control tower hill control the thames who controls the thames will control london it is a freak statement

a palatial off the norm of the here to stay. given their demonstrations in paris every other week every single week there been going on housing and design paris there were a lot of talk about how they didn't want another french revolution in their design plan all that much more possible here than a little more organic development of the same. always pop part of the region 3 creation of jewish 4th meeting trenches will is a military or mental road always had his 2nd row of the military drought rush rush milegi or militias or armed troops a place that rules you may find is of under threat of course blackberries i was you know it is quite similar to resign. concerns of course are air quality mass killing if you believe this it is ticks of particular pollution but the river itself the reason why london is here is the river london is

a river city and offbeat forget that partly because of the brilliance of jews it better to do as you did the bank when the 860 s. and seventy's. which was a brilliant idea if you build out river you create gardens you create road you trade places with tubes and telegraphs and sewers i because it had a terrible role of cutting london off from its river but ironically because climate change which is i know maryland again livingston put the thames barrier in climate change because the irony could be that the river with the death of london is gloomy i mean there are many as i said you know london like all great live in cities is about to change the course on the underlying fear as one contemplates london not just as a continuation of the tradition change but now changes so far and rapid and absolute is nature that the animal the beast as i did london the alarm the very writing about it do you feel things still. threaten the 5th fleet if the judge the

many levels of threat not just us of jail of return of high rise and city and so on but you know business rates and the capsule of of enterprises and this is a certain level well just finally i've got to us that. you talk a lot about the culture of this country being in these streets when you heard donald trump tweeting about the destruction of iran's culture a nod to the kind of work you as an architectural historian do well when the hands of most people trump tower adams on hold so many. terrifying things on this character so that that response i never ever in my life could have believed the president of the united states could talk about the destruction of culture like that. goodwills and hitler in the 2nd movie warns on civil but of course he's reminded 100 potent of what it's like islamic state attack culture. she has go

dinner and song because culture is what gives people project in his will come here in syria and so you know he just reminds of mormon culture we have been said that how important is the direction i think history and memory is all important to find people i don't see the pride and sounds of. that sense it was predictable if you want to undermine iran you destroy his memories do it's probably do that but is doing its culture brutal beastly. but you understand this is i have in mind why it's with 84 building. thank you and that's of the show will be back on saturday special marking the beginning of the u.k.'s departure from the european union until they can be judged by social media and don't forget to subscribe to our you tube channel.

during the great depression which i'm old enough to remember there was and most of my family were unemployed working class other wasn't it was bad you know much worse subjectively than today but there was an expert in the us there isn't today today's america was shaped by the 10 principles of concentration of wealth and power. reduced democracy at tax solidarity engineer elections manufacture consent and other prince holds according to no i'm chomsky one set of rules for the rich opposite several from poor. that's what happens when you put power into the hands of a narrow. we'll switch truth is dedicated to increasing power for chills just as you'd expect one of the most influential intellectuals of our time speaks about the

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downplay and even demonize any candidate who questions the orthodox why is this. donald trump deal of the century sparked outrage on protests across the middle east with claims the proposed roadmap to end the israeli palestinian conflict only face the tell of the face of the palestinian leadership spurns transplant calling it the slap of the century the u.s. ambassador to israel has made it clear the palestinian viewpoint is not something that will be taken into account. it doesn't matter what the palestinian saying we're going to keep this open for them for 4 years that's what we want. another week another protest unions are back on the streets of paris and still angered at president.