surprisingly we're not even hearing about it in media in nature nations after or was it knowing years of the britain bombed libya it seriously to say that it's a failure but the powers that have interests in libya have got to get serious so you're a and egypt and russia who've been supporting have to have got to call him to order and they have got to observe the arms embargo because without external infusions of weaponry this fighting can't continue so the un track remains the only way forward the security council meeting it must unite but not just unite in words which is what they've done in the past but actually in deeds but far from. a arms the u.n. mission in libya is not leaving countries taking part in the summit we're sending it violence weaponry trucks and soldiers violating all the words we're hearing

that's got to stop not getting on is in the pipeline will have continued since perlin yes but there must be a means of supervision set up by the un security council with the power to hold supplying countries to account and it is utterly unacceptable that u.a.e. craft should be bombing targets and killing civilians amongst others day after day it's unacceptable that turkey should be sending troops in larger quantities into longer side of the u.n. they moved over to national accord stopped believe you have find it difficult to understand i mean is it a scramble for the oil resources the particularly valuable oil resources easy to refine geographically close to europe because why would people move the u.a.e. from dubai we invite the u.s. ambassador on to refute that their actions of these their global zinged libya but

why are they involved egypt of course is closer why is turkey involved. well the u.a.e. and egypt are involved to prevent what they say is the danger of an islamist takeover of a strategically important country those is countries who didn't approve of what happened when the arab peoples rose up at the end of 2010 and in 2011 and who have masterminded the backlash in country after country want to be sure that libya doesn't stay as they see it in an icky that is going to be exploited by islamists now choice i think porton limited it is an important vision but there's limits we don't have and never have had majority support in libya ok but that now there's a syrian question isn't there because reputedly move of course britain has failed

to overthrow the government of president as sort of syria there were allegations of ties between britain and islam is groups to overthrow the syrian government reports of them. coming or mass into libya in which case after is a point and his allies well i don't think those allegations of ties between the u.k. and islamist forces are correct certainly we did support the free syrian army believe in the we. gave her a moral support to a revolution in syria but didn't give it the material support to enable you see wherever they break the allegation that there were links i haven't seen that ok but i mean what about the threat of isis station al qaeda than in libya which actually justify have those claims against the weakness if it doesn't justify a continued civil war because the u.n. supported government led by prime ministers iraq has just as much of

a reason to combat islamist extremism and to work for a stable government as have to our does it's not a valid reason for the civil war which after as has fomented i mean you're a diplomat how is it then that this u.n. entity the government of national accord which then therefore de facto has the support of turkey and the u.a.e. and front. by virtue of being a un mandated body is also being developed or to act by or the allegations are by by those countries where this is a problem of the growth of international disorder since the invasion of iraq in 2003 which i think history will share was a seminal moment in the years since then many different countries have sought to be active across their borders and to assert their influence to supply weaponry to support proxy forces when they think that such action will prevent worse

consequences for their interests finally on libya than did david cameron in libya do exactly what tony blair did in iraq that bomb the country overthrew the government written run france the united states the other countries involved in supporting the libyan rebellion in 2011 took a chance they believed that the consequences of not acting could have been mass civilian casualties they thought that if our historic. support for ideas of freedom and so of determination meant anything they should mean supporting the request from the arab world from libyans themselves for support for the overthrow of qaddafi now the 2 reasons why the post revolutionary victory stabilisation didn't work was 1st that the countries that had been involved in the armed campaign had no position on the

ground to assist with the necessary civilian reconstruction of institutions that was necessary to achieve stability but the underlying reason for that was that the libyans themselves were very reluctant to accept foreign assistance on the ground that is disputed by. you get to have his spokes person who in fact this program to the 1st interview since the overthrow of gadhafi with him he said the whole objective of u.k. bombing was to destabilize libya that africa's richest recovered a country was a united african currency this is a completely different to the arguments given by david cameron by the british government and in fact after relies on the so-called green resistance who so was abram's that they are aligned with safeguard afy he said they if anything a been signed in berlin that would have been it for after the green resistance

would no longer support there was no struggle for libya's natural resources involved in the decisions of the french and british governments at the time to intervene in the libyan revolution oil didn't come into it i don't believe it was about assisting the libyan people to establish stability on the basis of a different and better constitution what was your reaction as a former ambassador to iran. when you heard that because it was really money the top general of the islamic republic had been assassinated for american drone strike it is backed by the british government that action concern that it was based on half truths that solomon he wasn't actually engaged in imminent attacks on american facilities you don't really remember says well that states at the time and subsequently has not been able to provide any evidence of the necessary test for

preemptive military action never give the evidence a good time to be secret they could have given it to congress and the congressman described the intelligence briefing as the worst one they'd ever received secondly fear that there would be an uncontrollable series of consequences from inevitable iranian retaliation for the attack 3rd concern that the united states didn't have a strategy for pacifying the gulf for moving from the present high state of tension and the destruction willfully and unnecessary and illegally of the iranian nuclear agreement towards some new arrangement which they claim to want but have never sought any practical detail negotiations to achieve so all these were going through the mind of anybody concerned for peace and stability in the region but it remains

a world of pressure presumably on the boards or on some government head of or perhaps u.s. u.k. trade deal when it comes to u.k. support for the end of the jays e.p.o. . no i think the british government will stick with the j.c. . they need european sympathy and support for the more important to go which is the one that's about to start on britain's long term trading and security relationship with the european union there are many pressures on british relations with the united states and iran policy is one of them well russia india china all good relations with iran what did you make of the the evidence for a reproach war between saudi arabia and iran and the letter that because it was really money had been carrying surely in the foreign office when you were there you

it was a nightmare scenario at least to many people who suspect in the global south that nato policy is to divide and rule certainly not nervy what president obama said expresses the view that we all have which is that saudi arabia and iran need to find modus vivendi in which each respects the legitimate interests of the other now that means defining what legitimate interests are and that requires diplomacy so. it was indeed the case as the prime minister of iraq has said that general silliman he had a message in his pocket now exactly what the message was hasn't been declared and that must be right and proper because it will have been extremely sensitive it could have been about avoiding unnecessary competition between them in iraq it could have been about

a framework for settling the wide range of issues on which iran and iraq disagree or it could have been about the immediate problem in yemen which saudi arabia had. which is that it is no nearer achieving stability after this appalling bombing campaign that it has conducted well who knows boeing injury said in the world's worst humanitarian crisis when british arms actually just finally and briefly given that you were also of course palestine's ambassador kind of was in town surely he might be telling the british government the kind of criticisms you're making of the trump administration unfounded there's a deal of the century being worked out in washington i know the palestinians have threatened to withdraw from the oslo accords that they are keen on trying to create a peaceful world the trouble with this race when it's not a deal i mean to call it a deal is simply ludicrous it's a unilateral announcement of proposals that the american administration in

consultation with israel considers should resolve the question so it's not a negotiation that the united states is engaged in because it has totally alienated one side of the negotiation namely the palestinian one sort of little thank you thank you after the break he's proved he can walk the walk but can he go through enough historian dr brooks rag on his new book exploring the history of london and its architecture when you mentally link to the british imperial wars and the moneyed cultural bulldozers of property developers baltimore can have a part to have growing up to grow. politicians to. put themselves on the line they did accept the reject. so when you want to be president. or somehow want to. have to write to the

press this is what before 3 in the morning people are. interested always in the waters of our. city will. join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics small business i'm show business i'll see you then. welcome back time can't even take for a broken big ben as question marks hang over boris johnson's attempt to get the bell ringing for brecht's it in 48 hours time breaking the silence there is author of architectural historian john cruickshank whose new book shanks london

a portrait of a city in 13 walks tells us why we should fight for buildings he joins me now dan welcome back to going underground so you've been writing about london for getting on to half a century. what i mean why now a portrayed of a city and walks have happened some time i just felt. an awful and i want to tell pope story it will you have had your differences in the bus with the prime minister boris johnson over rather the development of your home every year in london spittle fields an area but arguably this book shows your own side when it comes to the importance of the identity of the palace of westminster and big bad boys johns and of course sees the big band is ringing out the it's not leaving the european union but leaving political responsibility in the european union although were subject to regulations from my home alone since i do maybe can see already with him

a one thing as mayor of london he was he was a difficult character should be set in and certainly in spital fields and elsewhere would occasionally when he used powers of med. he inherited look incredible to overturn crew democratic decision to happen twice and pitiful big benecol i did that caused her to get a. yes treatment in this book and is of course entirely fantastic in moving movie i do say that or beauty but chimes of freedom you know the the belle of big ben in the in the list with her has that as a critical moment marked the voice i suppose of independence voice of opposition senator sununu 2nd world war 2 totalitarian regimes is it's a visibly it's a big deal for me that eric symbol i want to get on to the bell in a 2nd but just tell me how you investigate how for instance why people bowed to the speaker's chair in the house of commons it all relates to this very long oh what

a mystical is a wonderfully english british what became the chamber of the house of commons wilson stephen chapel. of 13th century 13th century modeled on nashville in paris great role chapel and at the reformation the palace was given not by henry 8 but by his son to the parliament to juanita and the chapel became debating chamber yet the rituals of a chapel were retained the 16th the room will catch a total c.t. of left in my face each other across the open space retained in that and the speaker took the place of the high altar and it's a says it's that it's a wonderful english is idea that the ritual one building on the full one building. at away transformed the other and that and then that which will become part and parcel of our democratic life the face i say on kinship before the group before the reformation as just smooth transition because of course it has its detractors has

got a fake building it's a fake golf think it was rebuilt after the my you talk about the rebuilding after the authentic victorian gothic alofa thought it was an idea that should be designed in a british. nana and in $830.00 the idea that british style was what's called gothic and they also believe those structures appear to the castle to a statement about using a traditional picture to make a modern building for the modern time and again after the blitz you talk about available yet the chambers was all about it knowledgeable to recreate as i said in terms of but they had a choice they could have done something there that support the doctors in the role of oxygen the memory identity and pride and there's no question that that it was necessary to write the great wall of the house of commons of being just one of nazis to rebuild as if it hadn't happened so many districts analyze in this book but arguably there is a thread of class war throughout the book it's always economics it's always.

rich developers and so are. the foundry that forged a big ben the bell that morris johnson once to ring for the bricks of. the sun is to me of shades will do a turn into a posh hotel yet it is such an emblematic story i mean it is a white shop a bell foundry in march is it's. all morals in talk of news gibbons continues for operational business you know if it were going concern told the family who do it inherited business in the early twenties entry placeholder that they have the right to do that that's fine majority sad but there are it will sold but the local dismay because it was part and parcel of a pipe i can still watch because london's made business going beautiful set of 1820 buildings local employment and it was a place known around the world the people in philadelphia big you know the big

ben's hunted many important bell had been made a traditional liberty bell in for the old obsolete for where the us constitution were forged and that the simple idea was that. was it truly beyond saving as a business making bells and that's kind of the that's the grassroots of the opposition people feel the best use for his doorbell found making bells we are told by the people of acquired it ultimately was a man hunt a public company that is their business future making bowls and they want to make a large part of it into a pretty could be pretty could help but by keeping the 3rd building they kept the problem not told at u. mass the mission of the art buildings but whether one not one recalls a boutique hotel next to the east on the most for example on my chapel as opposed to a work in going business making bells if i could keep that brilliant another pretty tell ok maybe even affordable housing for housing in hamster the north london

suburb if anyone thinks is new this kind of gentrification or whatever tell me about the extraordinary attempts to completely annihilate him 38th those who know hands of heath will no doubt think understandably forgivingly is on. board. north of london and it is searched and it and attractive people like you conspired 99 percent of painting was wild terrain. in the city dump in fact a lot of what you now see and experience of hunters quite new woods to wildness it's kind of all my trying to center before that the world of the trees marking feel boundaries and it's up for grabs and in the 19th century large large part and by family in marin will see them and he wanted to develop it. a large chunk of the heath for houses and a vast opposition on a grade one the 1st big popular campaigns to save the open space in the end

thank goodness the. sense prevailed and it will say it was the 20 or 30 years all hands to that of a large chunk would under the under threat of being turned into streets and so on to the unintended consequences of up capital as property development. quite amusing when it comes to notting hill gate is actually running of probably more known around the world because of film and. just explain how that whole area as it presently is was in the design actually you don't kow ok i think one thing general polan point to make about london is a work of our city built on this hope by speculators from the great foreign 16 seconds that's how london was made by the mazak individual states putting money into bricks and mortar and by chance creating exemplary and wonderful it's a city and not ok was a great example of that in the later new year in the 1st of the ninety's and rivera

says dave thought they could make money by expanding but transforming their farmland into how old is grand how old is and all went horribly wrong. and these need these great as dates found that the london the demand was quite what they anticipated and those streets were laid out in zones over. all the. pieces are so you know to do not ok there's a wonderful example of a a mission for you down and then other our other other other models used to riding a medical mission picked up again and what you've got. elaborate on the terrific aside from the probably speculation when the government does come in they come in arguably for imperial celebration you talk about trafalgar square and there's a lot of debate actually now on about the tearing down of statue e.-l. nearly 9 since it was his notion to greatest triumph route through london we're going to go alternately and you square have to be made carved out and that becomes

trafalgar square and fox where is carved to make this weird and wonderful very on english a triumphal space to tell of a victory military victory there is talk of these statues charles gordon from sudan charles napier around the square know it's a military square so the statues all military heroes who citizenry have a long way in the mutiny with no money for nelson's call me can walk up stupid that it hadn't the money to print stand she had misread it talk about the tower of london much earlier in london being used very much for propaganda purposes the norms of the understand quite how the whole of the controller of their compas is based building fortresses bottom bail you have around the country hold you hold the train through fortifications and the tower is a great example he you control tower hill control the thames who controls the thames will control london it is a freak statement

a palatial off the norm of the here to stay the course and given their demonstrations in paris every other week every single week they're been going on housing and design paris there were a lot of talk about how they didn't want another french revolution in their design plan all that much more possible here than. a little more organic development of the same. always pop part of the region tree creation of george forth meeting trenches what is a military big or mental road always had a 2nd row of being military drought rush rush military or militias or armed troops a place that rules you may find is of under threat of course blackberries i was you know it is quite similar to recent concerns of course or air quality mass killing if you believe this exist except of particular pollution but the river itself the reason why london is here is the river london is a river city and of the forget that partly because of the brilliance of jews it

better to do as you did the embankment the 18 sixty's and seventy's. which was a brilliant idea evening but pulled out river you create gardens you create road you trade places with tubes and telegraphs and sewers i because it had a terrible role of cutting london off from its river but ironically because climate change which is i know very long again livingston put the thames barrier and climate change because the irony could be that the river with a desert island is gloomy i mean there are many as i say you know london like all great live in cities is about changes on the underlying fear as one contemplates london not just as a continuation of the tradition of change but now changes so far and rapid and absolute in its nature that the animal the beast as i did london did that that the alarmed a very writing about it beautiful things still is our friend with the feet if the

judge the many levels of threat not just of gale of return of highrise and city and so on but you know business rates and the the collapse of of of enterprises and business at certain levels are just finally have got to us that. if you talk a lot about the culture of this country being in these streets when you heard donald trump tweeting about the destruction of iran's culture a nod to the kind of work you as an architectural historian do well no wonder most people trump tower memes 100 so many. terrifying things on this character so that that response i never ever in my life could have believed to present the united states could talk about the destruction of culture like that of you so shade and goodwill to hitler in the 2nd movie warns on civil however but of course just reminded 100 porton over his like islamic state attacked culture. years ago connor

and so on because culture is what gives people product engines all the mirror enter here and so it just reminds of mormon culture we have been said that how important architecture is is recognizing history and memory is all important to find people identity their problems on survival in that sense it was predictable if you want to undermine iran you destroy his memories do it privately do that but destroying its culture brutal beastly conflict but he understands it as i have in mind one why it's worth $84.00 building then corking thank you and that of the show where we buy guns out of a special marking the beginning of the u.k.'s departure from european union until then give it a 5 social media and don't forget to subscribe to our you tube channel.

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