but 2020 presidential campaign is beginning to look a lot like the 2016 race but this time around the insurgent is bernie sanders who's not even a member of the democratic party voters again are not interested in establishment politicians in fact they appear to be rebelling against who we see from sandhurst showdown. welcome to so visionaries me so the shevardnadze all sorts of bizarre forms buildings made of shrooms modern architecture the boundaries of our imagination and

looking into a life might be like in the future well today i'm joined by architect and the loss of her director of architects patrick. patrick schumacher welcome to the show it's great to have you with us. so i'll start with the father of. skyscrapers louis sullivan said that form follows function and then there is a scar name there that said that solves beauty so i was wondering which fear is closer to your own. maybe are going to sort of close but what is curious to note is louis sullivan who coined the phrase which later on was the mantra of modernism office stripped bare functionalism was actually the most on nate of all architects it was the final apotheosis or flowering of an incredibly on

nate the rich and virtuous on a mentation that's the interesting on irony of the history of architecture but i don't believe in. form follows function as a design principle but i do believe in the end that there's a that form. sustains and supports social functionality but as for designers as a as a method i don't believe that and i believe very much like austin in my beauty so i know that you want sad an architect should be able to understand what is happening now and predict what kind of architecture people will need in the future and that in essence means and an architect needs to be not just an engineer but effi surest as well in some sort of way so which one of those do you love more in yourself and does the engineer in the future is sometimes come into conflict with each other i'm

much more of a futurist so i make a distinction between architecture and engineering architecture. driving innovation in the realm of social functionality spaces are for me frame framing social interaction and communication are themselves communications and the engineer is the living the technical feasibility to make these. beautiful spaces of engagement real in the material world but we are conceptualizing this we are thinking about how we want to talk and count each other in spaces to be and to have interaction processes unfolding and that's where beauty comes in as well as spaces which appeal to us which also signal to us the situation and in a way beauty architecture beauty signifies social functionality so it's not the opposite of function it's some kind of. sensuous messaging

and understanding and communication of the function of the space the character of the space comes through its formal 'd expression and if it's a beautiful space means that the space that should be good for us so we have an intuitive grasp of what is good for us the good food but also a good space so way you speak you see it's a form of knowledge yeah and the way you speak patrick is and then that illustration of the fact that you've got a ph d. in philosophy so i wonder i wonder how the loss of an architecture go together how do they mesh together very well i just want to add one more phrase so the perception of beauty is also an emotional intelligence so we've learned that these are cognitive processes yes philosophy. go together like

philosophy goes together with every discipline at its front tier the protagonist to want to push forward they always touch philosophy because of it fundamentally questioning the myth the underlying principles and purposes of of a discipline and that happens in every discipline so philosophy touches all these disciplines at the front of innovation so is your new style which is called parametric citizen in architecture you're saying it's ever threat to new global concept which in compas is everything from urban design to fashion now for dummies like me who doesn't have a degree in philosophy explain in simple words what is it exactly and why is it revolutionary ok because it's the style of our epoch it every element of architecture or a new design becomes soft plastic malibu variable and

adaptive to the many different contingencies and variance which are complex social world demands and calls for and there's a space also on new computational design technologies where we can model simulate and through algorithms political rate these forms but also we can now execute them through robotic fabrication and 3 d. printing is cetera so both on the level of what the world demands in terms of its complex. new dynamic life forms and the variability of human interactions and ways of living and on the technical translation side the possibility of doing that through new technologies that means we must be generating a totally new build environment to be true to our time and this goes through the world of artifacts as well as through architecture interior fashion include it's the style for the computation. for the knowledge of college so if you look by

computation exactly the point of my 2nd question so that parametrize ism is a reaction to time and technology that we are surrounded with right so it is moving away from the ridge it forms rigid zoning it's all about fluidity says creating a free form building all the possible ways is a help of a computer that's the virtual city of. fast. information processing and construction which only machines will afford us that's what the style is based on so it will only intensify in the near future we hope sim being a futurist in a way how long do you think a power metric system will last in a 21st century ok there were there the kind of predictability of the future is and it's. not understood what i know is that in order

for a new shift to another style to happen that's not something subjective not doesn't depend on a creative genius that depends on the conditions of societal life and material production. shifting once more i can see one possibility on the horizon which might make a big impact namely if. interaction in virtual spaces until communication takes over sole much of our life that we no longer have to engage in real space in cities which at the moment we're living in as you are concentration of some of the native and gauged and we still congregate in work spaces and social spaces as long as this happens on the new level of dynamism complexity will have power mattresses and. if life dematerialize us where we can

become stationary and only interacts with communication system then the game is out something else will happen which has no name yet how can i see and what do you make of the so-called by your architecture that seems to be the trend lately there's this american israeli architect mary oxman experimenting with like ac the protein found in milk which can be as hard to cement do you think we'll see traditional concrete and steel and glass gave way to like eco materials i think that's partly possible i mean some of these experiments of a small scale might move into. fashion and product design 1st but that was also the case with promises and to some extent so i don't know how much of these experiments on there is another scale but i'm very interested in it and i'm interested in. logic a process is biological engineering genetic engineering as well as computational

evolution and genetic coding which is more than analogous to a biological process so there's a very strong interest and some of the gee between the science of biology and the science of artificial life and intelligence so when spoken a bit about the future and the way you see it in your field let me ask. things about you do you see here. self as an artist because an artist can always say you know i don't really care what others say this is my vision and create whatever he or she wants as an architect have the right to enjoy this level of freedom i mean it's not like a book that you read and you can put away for you build something it's pretty much there forever. that would lead to. art and architecture of a different the feed of the artist the artist of the reeling explorer as reckless potentially idiosyncratic. self-indulgent to the nth degree

but there generate mutations innovations material which might or might be useful most of it might not be useful so are the 3 billing field of experimentation and also the specter of write a science fiction writers they can have a go and fantasize i think this is background material this is a role resource which then architects can work with but we have a different. it was a full responsibility we are actually creating social spaces for the many and to be using big resources of and to put nurses investors behind them stand savers so we need to make sure that resources are spent on hans life and are not just. thrown away. with self-indulgent delusions illusions fantasies which don't. really impact i mean we want to live.

every body to become more prosperous i'm talking about material freedom and prosperity for all that's what vision is faced on the news and pushing that but in the end it's the real world you want to control and make beautiful. break right now hold your thoughts there. talking to. her director of zaha hadid architects discussing the architecture of the future. the plastic is a problem it's in the food supply in the oceans we keep plastic and obviously plastic in the human body is going to kill you so life expectancy is down banning

plastic is not going to change the equation one iota because it's too far gone so should we care or just consider that humans had a great ride why we shuffle off our mortal coil and. move. to the. d.n.a. . i didn't get showed up to move just because i'm listening to. ensure.

there's not. enough. and we're back with patrick schumacher our kids action film director of data architects talking about how architecture is shaping our way of life so here's the world that we are having 2 words rising population density soaring glenn prices and i don't know like flying cars mean that the cities of the future will grow vertically right not horizontally what's your take yes absolutely i'm very excited

about the new transfer possibilities drones autonomous cars i believe also a lot invoke a billet t. and walk walking. through the spaces and that's where we can really have much more interaction also visual transparency i believe in density i don't want this kind of capital distribution we i think we should pull together in the high dense environment and we see that tendency we see cities grow this and when they saw us and we can build up high and we have generated some interesting to apology i would tell us a hollow so that on the inside the thousands of people who congregate in a tower can have into visibility see. each other communicate with you and then they also have big windows surveillance from towers a tower that could be bridges and communications so it's a 3 dimensional web of interaction of communication that's what with all the.

means and modes of transportation but also active traveling meaning cycling walking . in poland so let's talk about about ideology a bit more when i step into it's a cathedral right there is high and there is lie and the idea is that a human is supposed to feel the ground there of god there is napoleon's imparja texture and it's all about the grandeur of empire or i like it when you take the dictator architecture of the thirty's right it's all about being monumental uniform like the ideology behind it does contemporary architecture have an ideology behind it. ernie yes i think there is an ideology i mean i certainly promote one which is the ideology of freedom of and upon earth ship of individuality and offs health organization participation so not so much. centralization.

larch hierarchies command and control but much more bottom up process for many of you have kind of swarm intelligence collective intelligence of everybody is self directed in their work and pursuits but then through the communication process through market processes as well we have of filtration and selection and a social order which establishes itself more much of an emergent on a bottom up and the cities should express that that's what the call of the network society as well so we are networking. laterally and we have a lot of self initiative now the spaces for that i think would throw the us is this kind of wet off balloting and we don't want to kind of windswept empty plaza with an access and the monument we want to kind of buzz an urban bus of streets filled with events with sleep theater with with spaces with conference centers maybe i

love going to conferences and debates and such events like the battle of ideas in london at the barbican for instance these are the kind of things with we've been thriving on gives us ideas and power us making connection with other people to set up projects we're not going to work for 30 years in one monotonous routine we're continuously inventing a set of the network society and the spaces they have their own beauty they have their own in maybe i wouldn't call it monumental a thing but but they're thrilled and rebuilding these spaces are actually build one in in recently in beijing interior urban isn't it big atriums are actually doing one for a sperm bank in moscow albeit done to that office building in moscow where there's a big verticals. base of congregation with bridges with balconies where it's all about seeing and being seen making connections being part of that process of that self organizing buzzing process of innovation prosperity generation we all can be

creative in our we all create us in this new knowledge economy because the physical work is done by robots or by software services and we can reprogram the robots or we can upload the new software basically daily so this physical culture of production can absorb an enormous amount of innovation so we can all be innovative and we do that by coming together in these cities of knowledge of the exchange and creation i heard saeed one say that many cities around the world are overly obsessed with the past do you see this as a bad thing there is some of that what i don't like is if cities become museum was or when the the center of a city becomes a museum slash retail more saw and when museums are looked at as tourist traps rather than hubs of creative industry communication so i see there's

a tension. with that but also do think that some of these stories quarters of our cities actually they have a robustness week and that and the density which we need again so if you compare the 1950s of the last century. to what we need now actually 19th century city which was more of walkable high density city office more to the contemporary live then the urban is of the 1950s that's why when this paradigm off orders i'm off to modern control and distribution collapsed the rediscovery of the urban centers historical centers it made sense but now we have to build on top we don't have to be shy in. subverting and evolving this but we can also within that keep a story for me the best example of this is the city of london what i mean here is

not the west not westminster which is quite still raw and frozen up but the city of london do regional medieval town which is now this car flooding financial center where you have the historical assets these little jewels of a medieval spaces and then on to that fantastically rich and high value cluster of towers and spaces of communication for it for today for the financial sector in particular that's a fantastic model so architects today strike me as progress truman when i listen to you especially in love with new materials ways of thought novelty like modern artists however if i don't like a painting i don't look at it like i sat different with architecture one more time . for instance i'm forced to look at 2 of them and for

reber until i die or he gets demolishing you know do you feel that architects have this responsibility like politicians in a way to take the i static sense of the public into account. i don't know i believe that. architects of the sponsibility to express and deliver the spaces which they understand would and productivity and life and yes there will be this taste to be taken into account. but i believe that. usually. and we are in this sense in this game of a static rejuvenation and expression we're artists and experts i think we can guide and lead the market and i mean even and upon earth like steve jobs and many other of the great entrepreneurs they didn't do market research what is people think they need they have an intuition of what could make life better and

then charge forward and deliver and then the. validation comes afterwards and it's also with great artists who see me do something provocative and outrageous like crystal when he wrapped the german rice stark it seemed like an absurd and surreal thing which in all the general population was expected to hate but everybody adored it and thought it was a wonderful occasion and became a laugh fest around it so even on a few aesthetic grounds but also in architecture there's more to it the look and feel to give something expressive what goes on there and what if what goes on there is life and hansing and beautiful as a human experience then we will associate that look and feel that aesthetic with those interior ongoings and wheels learn to love and like it so aesthetic sensibilities shift and change through the leadership also went and

a great artist an architect so i don't believe in following a kind of average that never led to progress i think progress is always delivered by. authors and key individuals who take risks and if they don't if it doesn't catch on they're also don't make a huge impact on the city and will be substituted quickly if it catches on and finds imitators and. and a following because it makes sense that as uplifting it is it is a fish and then the transforms the city in its image one guy desire for me as a means of wonder or seagram's building this beautiful elegant stephen glass skyscraper which 1st emerged in new york city on park avenue in the 19th early $950.00 s. when everything around it was the kind of stone brown stone and then it seemed like

an alien invasion something out of another world and maybe an insult to sensibilities of the time in look back 4050 years later the whole city has been transformed in its image so i think that's what i believe in i believe in leadership and visionary leadership in the colbys is another character i would could cite his sketches and drawings of $1000.00 twenty's where reality around the world including moscow in the 19 fifty's and sixty's that doesn't mean that this vision is now still the vision so these all these. visions have this date which is as society and technology moves on to new makes a new leap then we all have to kind of really learn the beauty of the new possibilities that doesn't come along every decade but i think it comes around whenever there's an of. technology social

sensibilities which come along with that and that is less predictable but it's necessary that the put on guard of architects is fulfilling the role of translating the new conditions into the building bombed and into the world of artifacts patrick thank you so much i don't know on which. he was and you're wonderful inside and into the world of architecture. for your vision we've been talking to architect the last of her patrick schumacher discussing their urban philosophy and the future architecture that's set for this edition of the next time.

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