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the last day of may i will resign as leader of the conservative and unionist party i do so with enormous and enduring gratitude to the opportunity to the country i love johnson has spent years waiting outside number 10 downing street today to join his mind only. in this government to work flat out to give this country the leadership he deserves this court has already concluded that the prime minister's advice to her majesty was unlawful void and of no if it corresponds to called for an early general election hoping to win more conservative m.p.'s that will back his pricks it. is a fight for the soul of our country the labor party determined to win to deliver the people of this country yet. we are now in a position to say that this election has been won by the conservatives now is the
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moment precisely it's relieved the e.u. to let the healing begin. i know you want to. get away. from gender the 31st we're going to do. work with principle is this. not to. destroy mr president this in my opinion. what. we're going underground hours after the u.k. officially left the e.u. ending 47 years membership of the world's largest neo liberal trading block with me in the studio of the daily mail's consulting editor and u.p.s. former liberal democrat leader and it's actually save the business of vince cable and front man of sheffield band revenue makers john mcclure who campaigned for labor in the last election welcome to all of you with books the eve of bricks and papers here not today's ones our time has come from the murdoch sun with the 50 quid they giving him 50. coins and your paper a new dawn for britain and drew
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a momentous day because the guardian will be getting to that in the in the 2nd predictably against brick said but i drew how do you stand up for this is a from page momentous day we salute a new dawn for britain directly from 10 downing street then you have had has run because the white cliffs of dover that boris johnson speaks to the nation he doesn't do that very often this has been a long time in a controversial way no pool cameras well 3 and a half years been waiting for this and it's about time and i think we should not get on with it and look forward to the new beginning syringes you have campaigned against breaks it before and since the breaks that referendum your reaction well it's probably a neutral. it's a bit of an anticlimax when you this is going to happen couple of months ago it's happened nothing materially affected sternly end of the year in the under terms or and it was some years before that some canister whether this is a success or failure i mean upon mine part john what do you make of the
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celebrations on protests funny on my way here to walk through whitehall which is obviously kind of like a picture on one side of the road is the brick city is on the other side is the remain is and it's obviously all very shouty and stuff and i'm come kind of we've been really i think that there's a time for shouting and this is not because ultimately stop stop and i don't think we should wait a year see where we are then and those of us who were opposed to bricks then me kind of in hindsight look like the wise ones perhaps ok well we certainly know that the media played a part and certain people that lost certainly claim that it was the media the change that has got to this headline from the god which is johnson with murdoch on the day he signaled a general election bid only one media billionaire not like a role the media your boss. what are we to do what do you think about way he met murdoch vocal in the election is it still big all it. i think that rupert murdoch.
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said the current conservative government is pretty much in lockstep and i think that you don't have to look at the kind of coordinated headlines across the murdoch press to see the whole into question whether we are in fact sometimes a democracy because i think of all the people doing about this do all the facts all the time and i can they make an informed decision in the general election and i would wonder whether it's possible it's all in this country to become the prime minister without having rupert murdoch on side a mic not substituting it i mean he was a real power 20 years ago 10 years ago when when cameron how does guyon number 10 but since then you know social media has gradually superseded some of the print media he lost b. sky b. you know that's public i mean the problem with that headline is the didn't go to the general election he wanted a general election but it only happened because the s.n.p. in the lib dems combined disastrously tent in my view to say they would back an election the labor had to reel in then the fixed in power that was thwarted so
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without the lid tens then do rupert murdoch there are no general election just listen to donald trump and his all important reaction to what's happening in britain we look forward to negotiating a tremendous new deal with the united kingdom have a wonderful new prime minister wants very much to make a deal it's a say. great news events to the employer be it impeached president fighting with former national security advisor john bolton he wants to do a deal as full a business secretary of this country who was in the cabinet on the david cameron must be great to hear that i was involved in directly in the teach at negotiations or an attempt to reach an agreement with the americans ken clarke and i were the point people in the u.k. government teton despised by i don't know if they will get some piece of paper from the americans but it will not do very much and in terms of access to america the big problem actually is procurement. in the states it's not actually by federal
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government you mean individual states and yes you are and then terms of concessions we have to make in the u.k. are member of the well the food safety issue there are more subtle subtle this. setting up of this new court which is independent of our judiciary independent court to arbitrate u.s. u.k. trade yes sudden disputes around investment that was one of the really tricky issues on st separate it will come back again and they negotiate with the u.s. trump has got this fixation about countries that have surpluses and deficits with the imagined states and britain actually has a trade surplus with the u.s. so we don't enter these negotiations in a terribly strong position under your readers because we worried about chlorinated chicken itself coming back with in full i suppose it's emblematic really because it is and i can't remember which minister was on which side of the art when liam fox was in the cabinet he had a big spot with michael michael gove who's opposed to chlorinated you can come in
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and folks being a purist free marketeer will have no difficulty with it now ministers tell me it's never coming in because it's become that technical issue we'll see i mean john do you think when you watch that a lot of people in britain will be fearful given that drone is disliked greatly in this country yeah i mean there's a real risk of the you know the risk of we winning the kind of labor election campaign we on the left worry about the you know the us demand for free market access to the n.h.s. which is kind of something which terrifies everybody and i kind of feel you know a little bit as though we have been held to ransom but you know i'm quite encouraged early days to put boris johnson resisted the clatter in the didn't from the white house over a while away and he purse to head with that decision which i think was the right decision and that and we would total the apocalyptic things were going to happen if we didn't listen to the united states and he didn't and i think that's a good start your minds about you know that you're going to start. good decision i
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was surprised but he did it he does ground and if you want you to sign up anyways i'm going to disappoint the obviously the us trade negotiations were a lot more encouraging because there were let's go to this as regards ireland and the breakup of the united kingdom it alone trade from business insider the u.k.'s colonial view of the world means it will lose to the brics a trade talks says lee overread price was i should come to you again it's because. is this how it's seen in europe well they will have to approach these negotiations with a certain amount of humility and we are in a relatively weak position and i think we're in a different phase now and we're no longer argue about money on the principles and with withdrawal agreement actually what the british are asking for is not very much in this kind of the type agreement is actually about decoupling from the european union what do you make of it joe well i think you only have to look at britain's recent interventions in the middle east and various other parts of the world to kind of see that we kind of still consider ourselves to be rather a big deal in
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a lot of our colonial past and they had this kind of fallacy that one country is going to dictate terms to 27 other countries is obviously a nonsense and moreover than our kind of worry about the people that we're electing to while fishing i mean. kevin self is a homosexual man and bobby's johnson's comments about gay men are on record for all to see i mean i was the player when the 2 of them go for meetings the thinking is this i don't they get many people think he is obviously a place that is a good marketing barry sims who believes type of tourism if a man is mayor of london and he was he was in the pride parade wearing pink some pink stetsons it was a city company made a call and he's made lots of city come and save us ok how about the attitudes to the conservatives and what the conservative alike when they negotiate let's hear from dominic cummings who is seen as the springle of the of one of the core problems of the core tory party brand going back decades at the n.h.s. and people think by the way i think most people are right the tory party has won by
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people who basically don't care about people like me but that's what most people we country have for votes we policy for decades i know a lot tory m.p.'s i'm sad to say the public is basically correct than drew who is that man so our international viewers that's dominic cummings who is like the blue sky sinker the man who got breaks it down for boris johnson he run the lead with bird johnson and michael carey he's friendship actually is much deeper with michael gave it goes. that many years bone microscope is going to have a huge role in an in hearts business to palm and i think a lot of you don't realize what tommy comes he's never been a member of the tory party he would be a member of any political party and the reason a lot of mates in the tory party he was brought into government just to get briggs it done he's latest big target is not going to be defense particularly because it's a basket case and has been to decades but that is typical personal think he will turn the civil service upside down and he will turn the tory party upside down well i'm sure no one from ministry of defense will deny what he said about procurement but vince you agree with cummings but yes and i think you know we have this
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caricature of tories as being right reece mark right but he's totally untypical for a minute surely i mean one of the relieved regard way the labor party of underestimated the tories is the fact that they're pretty much since a fracture with margaret thatcher john major now or they have really consciously tried to become more populist and engage with you know what you might call the right wing working class suburban you worked with him i do not going to see him coming as an arch i mean obviously john what he said about people's attitudes as to what tories feel it was the n.h.s. do you also understand as other elements like the un report by feelable student of the international reports that say there's been a political decision to a cruel decision against the poor of this country yeah i wonder how dominant cummings's got from that position where essentially is telling the truth and what he said there was perfectly valid i mean jeremy haun coauthored
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a book which kind of openly advocated for the privatisation of the n.h.s. for the poles and set a systematic immiseration of a 6 significant part of the british population they say that this is a political decision that's been taken regards to austerity in the n.h.s. and stuff and i wonder how that money can then go from a spouse in those views to go into being government will because you want to get done and labor certainly are going to do it with a load of those roads and you know he's telling. the truth he's a very very. just clever strategic thinking one of the best and it's labor ironically who's lost those white working class people the tories if say east and partly it's because i think jeremy called the most it seems to take criticism for that but he did i went out and some of these northern states wouldn't that because a cold and he couldn't even blame the russians even if you took masing this stuff all resonates on the doorstep well i don't know what do you think but i think i think if you think it was break that there's an element of what you say undoubtedly the kind of smear campaign paper trail about
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a british muslims may have. a lot of things said he wouldn't play with a lot of things that such as him being a check spy an old man of the things particularly in the daily mail and over newspapers which were out obsolete completely untrue let's be honest and i think it's unprecedented the kind of smear campaign against kobe not only there's an element of that in the north but i lived there i don't know why people vote the way they did and it's because of bricks and you're fence john we could take a break that for all of them after this short break. during the great depression which i'm old enough to remember there was most of my family were unemployed and there wasn't it was bed you know much worse objectively than today but there was an expectation that things were going to get better. there was a real sense of hopefulness there isn't today today's america where shape my the 10
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principles of concentration of wealth and power. reduced democracy attack solidarity engineer elections manufacture consent and other prince holds according to no on. one set of rules for the rich opposite several from. the that's what happens when you put her into the. narrow sector. will switch is dedicated to increasing power for just as you'd expect one of the most influential intellectuals of our time speaks about the modern civilization of america. albert einstein is credited with defining insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result this is essentially the argument behind the trumpet
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ministrations deal of the century aimed at putting an end to the israeli palestinian conflict. is the american president indeed insane or a genius breaking with decades of fruitless mediation. nodule your watch your whole life. it was said to me it was impossible. to go back to business it just shows you that actually the truth of it is there was a massive disconnect between how western society europe it is you how the country what i did was to go in there and expose it i'm absolutely thrilled when you go from here to. your opinion what 26 days after the referendum i believed.
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what the government said and i kind of stepped back a bit from it all out it became a title mass but i came back and. reset the agenda i am not going to run away i'm going to keep a very close watch on all of this over the next year i will praise the prime minister the rooftops if it is going well at all sound. if it's not i think a very large number of people who. accept that it's a democratic result except what's happening now want to make the best of it and i mean. who's going to refuse to use the 50. he begins to look a little bit like a member of the. this is one of the biggest. centuries. would be ridiculous. he's
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a big history. is the people of. 10 years ago. one of the european union this was a grassroots campaign that succeeded so the real winner here is democracy and goodness me. as i say we will be there. many thing. and they may be right and if they all right. if it turns out with. history. we will be the. to be dropped again without. trying to.
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every way. to trade together. student exchanges to be neighbors as if we are living in the same street. with each other i want to be. in the european commission. thank you thank you very much. greg the party leader nigel farage we're going on the run fine ahmed in the past 24 hours welcome back i'm still here with under piers so vince cable and john mcclure. andrew is not going to be made ambassador to the united states because he didn't get on with only cummings legibly but a victory for tony benn against your hero mrs thatcher always wanted closer relations with the european union if she was alive today she'd have been in that referendum campaign she'd be back in supporting nigel she were as you would if you i'm quite convinced this is a great moment for knowledge for us because he now has to be seen in in the context
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of he's probably one of the most significant politicians who's never been elected to westminster at the last full 2 years because without the brick without him it never been a referendum he spooked david cameron panicked held a referendum and then screwed up the referendum join it as we said it is a left wing project in its inception breaks that tony benn was the key cheerleader all of that at the moment we're seeing the flames in paris as the. fluting border posts in greece as they try and lock out refugees the e.u. is near liberal project why should labor ever have not supported knowledge of well i think in some ways the lexicon of side of things has been completely written out of the narrative in lots of ways and the right the political right is comparable in bricks almost in its entirety i think every little bit with these that we're kind of forced into this by the thing where he saw that you were either he or you completely madly for him lots of us on the left half like reservations about the you but would draw the stain and you never hear them voices and i think jeremy
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called himself said at one point i'm 7 out of 10 about the i personally am 7 i would say i don't think he was perfect by any stretch but i honestly feel like the alternative break is going to be a disaster vince you have a new book out you're a professor of the law school of economics presumably very remain london school of economics did ledger for edge come up often when you were in the cabinet. no of course he's the big winner in and was right about but i. and i think we should be learning from my much i don't think people are going to reopen their minds on this issue for quite a long time but 5 to 10 years and they haven't delivered there will be a lot of disillusionment probably mounted up so probably that the younger generation will want to reopen this is ok well let's look at something about the environmental implications of brakes at this from your over active he could use carbon border tax against brics that britain wants then we. can be seen as got
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a complicated story at the top especially given the boris johnson is talking about climate change goals but it says that the greenpeace investigation claims that tens of millions of tons of carbon are being sent or projects are being sponsored by the british taxpayer as to how do you see the climate change the. context of brics action climate change is becoming it's become a real issue now and it's really important i thought it would feature more in the general direction actually because i think britain has been hugely influential she's much ridiculed by people at the end of term but by god she's put it on the agenda and the young people in this country i'm really passionate about and you believe boris johnson personally as well i think he has to be otherwise he'll pay a heavy price for it what do you make of the carbon tax is a perfectly sensible this is not where you are as a business to but it's actually you say no you export finance don't you do it export finance it's about imposing a tax on all carbon using substances including imports are swear the carbon tax
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comes from if the european union start slamming on imports strictures on china and india and brazil and the rest of them and these these are the countries that are not going to corporate but john we know about european environmental standards from under the diesel scandal of the bigger european garment effectors arguably the left though believe that the european union was so a force for good when it came to the environment yeah because i think we have to take collective act. in regards to the environment and that means in our call cooperation with other countries in this idea that we can in disentangle ourselves from political you work we can also do so from a geographical you're a piece is utterly nonsense we exist in the same part of the world and therefore have to take some degree of collective action i think johnson's game of populism that he's played during the whole thing actually means that much of his base maybe don't care about climate change i think a lot of these basic would be important facts openly skeptical when you go to the climate you might be right about that but i think he's got people around you know
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they've got to bridge this because nigel farage always denied it was about immigration to one side of the electorate and then talked a lot about immigration to others if we see this from the level of independent boris johnson accused of using immigration system as a marketing gimmick over high skill visa. since immigration you often used to say was behind the old bricks it project what do you make of the high skilled visas and what's being talked about and presumably this has to all be done we are going real problem area for the government and i had constant problems when i was in government with to reason may of a student son and other things but i mean in a way the government is pointing in 2 different directions and they want the economy to succeed at the same time a lot of people in the u.k. expecting immigration to fall quite drastically and you can't satisfy all these different constituent he's always been he's always took a different line to treason may have an issue if you want to know tens of thousands
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and i think boris johnson's taken the figure out completely ok well it's good to this the telegraph us could see community vitek jones imposed brigs it u.k. trade deal more than chlorinated chicken you worry your readers about isn't this the problem that these big tech companies the payload the any tax well that's the pump of the tax but it's going to be part of the free trade you know it's all good jobs is there is going to be a tech tax of course that's another standoff with trump. how long he's going to be present but we don't know when it's quid pro quo they have to pay tax but then they get full scale full spectrum surveillance of every british subject no no i mean we will continue to be governed by g.d.p. of the european nature rules and that's something he was a member of but i would be surprised if we deviate from there because it's worked quite well k.s.u. as is obviously tax. their pay tax in the us either then in negotiation surely they
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had facebook amazon twitter who knows else can just say to a british minister you know what if you want to do this to us we'll leave we can block you from it they have the power we do it well they are they are massive global companies i think that there is an interesting case in the british competition system at the moment where we're trying to block all the authorities say they're trying to block a takeover of amazon the deliverer of trigger or something one of those subsidiary companies and i think that's a good test of how much taking back control really being something in this trial would how do you think briggs it will impact us well to the shoulder of a brit they seems to me that we're being blackmailed essentially they're threatening to put a tax on the u.k. called industry unless we cave on the she issue is interesting that looks like the crown is already caved in the french may kind of do as the us ruskin to tax the tech giants i think is an open and shut case i mean you have to link directly to austerity into the kind of situation this country jeff bezos alone has the money to
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and will probably take months to kill anyone he said those are the figures really because we need to look at the children so it's a 4000000 people even public is going to rise to 5000000 k. to have the rich the vents on financial services where the big group has been since this is that you're in the big bang will be the same regardless of the so-called bricks it's only address it really isn't going to take a hit something about 20 percent of that business is from. the european union moving institutions the city of probably best place to cope with it well it's here boris johnson kind of a previous boris johnson there when he was johnson's arguably the how would you vote mark it was a referendum i vote to stay in the single market i'm in favor of the single market i want to be paul i want us to be able to trade freely with our european friends upon which boris johnson is that we're going to go to want to live in that story he wrote the 5000 word article stupidity telegraph one he published why we had to
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leave it was a very eloquent case where we had to give the other fair can case why we should stay and i he waited up like this and decided we'd like populism this is a man literally will say anything if it guarantees power and as much as i kind of hate margaret thatcher and love jenny called me i it makes me yearn for politicians who have conviction because these people literally will say anything you so cummings before saying the exact opposite cummings they still believe in the tories will destroy the n.h.s. we don't know. you were in that cabinet or david cameron who put the referendum in place which is why we're talking about all the great 6 years in the cabinet i was going to how do you and duncan smith and quite a few others i don't think they remotely thought that we're going to walk away from the single market and trust in the unit we could have worked towards a bricks relationship with the european union that kept most of the economic benefits but walked away from a lot of the politics and we haven't done that and i think there will be a big price to pay or andrew do you think actually as nigel farage seemed to intimate britain is the 1st of the countries to leave the european union i mean i'm
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not wishing that a lot of the european union ill the french workers. they don't often sort of a day or of course if we had stayed in the customs union the single market then we would never be free to strike the trade deals beyond which is one of the great attractions the irony of course is that today we've requested help from the regarding corona virus on the very day that we left which to me demonstrates benefits of the need for international cooperation you know really we're going to rejoin without doing the europe. that caused love up and got ducks in a formal legal position 5 years time your opinion may be quite different structure . vince cable thank you doctor for the children back on monday when the man who had seen the gold from bernie sanders tries to win over i were in the what do we call been failed to get a progressive politician in charge of a major the agency of the. whole
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my uncle the kids seem completely stable boy. nobody will see them no prove nothing and they can. go. good show got to move this because i'm listening. to mr certainly list. is not so much of. a 1000000.
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things. the president of the palestinian authority suspends all ties with the united states and israel in response to donald trump's middle east plan described by palestinians as the slap of the sun jury. to 47 years the united kingdom marks a historic day cutting ties with the e.u. as brocks it officially comes into effect but the road ahead for britain is still unclear. on this sweeping new study by academics up university of cambridge finds that democratic discontent in developed countries is at its highest level in 25 years with american citizens among the east side.

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