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the election has been won by the conservatives now is the moment precisely as we leave the e.u. to let the healing begin. like. i know you want to. but we're going to work. through january 31st what we're going to do. work with our principle is this is not to not. destroy mr president this in my opinion. what action adventure we're going underground hours after the u.k. officially left the e.u. ending 47 years membership of the world's largest neo liberal trading block with me in the studio of the daily mail's consulting editor and u.p.s. former liberal democrat leader and century safer business vince cable and front man of sheffield band revenue makers john mcclure who campaigned for labor in the last election welcome to all of you we've got the eve of bricks and papers here not today's ones our time has come from the murdoch sun with the 50 quid they giving
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out saying 50 p. coins and your paper a new dawn for britain and drew a momentous day because the guardian will be getting to that in the in the 2nd predictably against greg said but i drew how do you stand up for this is a from page momentous day we salute a new dawn for britain directly from 10 downing street then you get the help they got the white kids over there boris johnson speaks to the nation he doesn't do that very often this has been a long time in a controversial way no pool cameras well 3 and a half years been waiting for this and it's about time and i think she now get on with it and look forward to the new beginning so when you have campaigned against breaks it before and since the break that referendum your reaction well it's probably neutral. it's a bit of an anticlimax we knew this was going to happen a couple of months ago it's happened nothing material only affects the end of the.
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and it was some years before that some canister whether this is a success or failure i mean upon months or join what do you make of the celebrations on protests funny on my way here to walk through whitehall which is obviously kind of like a picture on one side of the road is the brick cities and the other side is the remain his and he's obviously all very shout seen stuff and i'm come kind of we've been really i think that there's a time for shouting and this is not because ultimately sucks up enough don't think should we see where we are then and those of us who were opposed to bricks then me kind of in hindsight look like the wise ones perhaps ok well we certainly know that the media played a part and. people that lost certainly claim that it was the media that changed it who's going to this headline from the good which is johnson with murdoch on the day he signaled the general election bid only one media billionaire not like a role the mayor your boss. what are we to do what do you think about way he meant
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murdoch vocal in the election is it still big oligarchs think that rupert murdoch. the current conservative government is pretty much in lockstep and i think that you don't have to look at the kind of coordinated headlines across the murdoch press to see the whole into question whether we are in fact sometimes a democracy because i think of all the people doing about this do all the facts all the time and i can they make an informed decision in the general election and i would wonder whether it's possible it's all in this country to become the prime minister without having rupert murdoch on side a minute not so stating it i mean he was a real power 20 years ago 10 years ago when when cameron how does guyon number 10 but since then you know social media has gradually superseded some of the print media he lost b. sky b. you know that's appalling i mean the problem the problem with that headline is bird still didn't go to the general election he wanted a general election but it only happened because the s.n.p. and the lib dems combined disastrously that it didn't it might be too. say they
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pulled back an election the labor had to reel in then the fixed term power that was due thought it so without the lid tens and do rupert murdoch there are no general election let's just listen to donald trump and his all important reaction to what's happening in britain and we look forward to negotiating a tremendous new deal with the united kingdom have a wonderful new prime minister wants very much to make a deal as they say. great news events that the employer be impeached president fighting with former national security advisor john bolton he wants to do a deal as former business secretary of this country who was in the cabinet under david cameron must be great to hear that i was involved directly in the teach at negotiations or an attempt to reach an agreement with the americans ken clarke and i were the point people in the u.k. government teton despised by don't go into intent that they will get some piece of paper from the americans but it will not do very much and in terms of access to
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america the big problem actually is procurements in the states it's not actually by federal government you know individual states and yeah you are and then terms of the concessions we have to make in the u.k. i mean there are well known food safety issues but there are more subtle subtle this. setting up of this new core which is independence of our judiciary independent court to arbitrate u.s.-u.k. trade yes sudden disputes around investment that was one of the really tricky issues on think it will come back again and they negotiate with the u.s. trump has got this fixation about countries that have surpluses and deficits with the imagine states and britain actually has a trade surplus with the u.s. so we don't enter these negotiations in a terribly strong position under your readers because we worried about chlorinated chicken itself coming back with in full i suppose it's emblematic legalities and i can't remember which minister was on which side of the on when liam fox was in the cabin. you had
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a big spot with michael michael go who's opposed according to chicken coming in and folks being a purist free marketeer will have no difficulty with it now ministers tell me it's never coming and because it's become that technique you should see i mean john do you think when you watch that a lot of people in britain will be fearful given that trump is disliked greatly in this country yeah i mean there's a real risk of the you know the risk of rewarding the kind of labor election campaign we on the left worry about the you know the u.s. demand for free market access to the n.h.s. which is kind of something which terrifies everybody and i kind of feel you know a little bit as though we have been held to ransom but you know i'm quite encouraged early days to put boris johnson resisted the clatter in the didn't from the white house over the wall way and he purse to head with that decision which i think was the right decision and that and we would total the apocalyptic things we're going to happen if we didn't listen to the united states and he didn't and i
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think that's a good stones earmarks about you know that it's a good start was a good decision no surprise but he ate it ground and if you want you to sign up for wavering leaders while he obviously the u.s. trade negotiations were moderately encouraging well it could go to this as regards island and the breakup of the united kingdom it alone trade from business inside of the u.k. is a little new view of the world means it will lose to the brics a trade talks says lee overread price was as you come to you again it's because. is this how it's seen in europe well they will have to approach these negotiations with a certain amount of humility and we are in a relatively weak position and i think we're in a different phase now that we're no longer argue about money on the principles and with withdrawal agreement actually what the british are asking for is not very much in this kind of the type agreement is actually about decoupling from the european union what do you make of it joe well i think you only have to look at britain's
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recent interventions in the middle east and various other parts of the world to kind of see that we kind of still consider ourselves to be rather a big deal in a lot of our colonial past and they had this kind of fallacy that one country is going to dictate terms to 27 other countries it's obviously a nonsense and moreover than the kind of worry about the people that we're electing to while fishing i mean. kevin self is a homosexual man and johnson's comments about gay men are on record for all to see i mean i was the player when the 2 of them go for meetings the thinking is this they get many people think is over your place is a good marketing barry sims who believes type of favorite kind of 2 words if a man is mayor of london and he was he was in the pride parade wearing pink hat some pink stetsons it was a city company made a call and he's made lots of city come and save us ok how about the attitudes to the conservatives and what the conservative alike when they negotiate let's hear from dominic cummings who is seen as the spring girlie of one of the core problems of the core tory party brand going back decades at n.h.s.
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and people think by the way i think most people right the tory party has won by people who basically don't care about people like me but that's what most people the country for votes where policy for decades i know a lot tory m.p.'s i'm sad to say the public is basically correct landrieu who is that so our international viewers that stone it coming series like the blue skies think of the man who got breaks it down for boris johnson he run lead with birds johnson michael kay his friendship actually is much deeper with michael gave because. that many years bone microscope is going to have a huge role in an enhanced business to power and i think a lot of you don't realize what tommy comes he's never been a member of the tory party he would be a member of any political party and the reason a lot of mates in the tory party he was brought into government just to get briggs it done he's latest big target is now going to be defense because because it's a basket case and has been for decades but that is typical personal thing he will turn the civil service upside down and he will turn the tory party upside down well i'm sure no one from ministry of defense with another what he said about
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procurement but vince you agree with cummings but yes and i think you know we have this caricature of tony has been right reese mark right but he's totally untypical i'm not sure mate i mean one of the relieved regard way the labor party of on the rest of my to the tories is the fact that they're pretty much since a fracture with margaret thatcher john major now or they have really consciously tried to become more populist and engage with you know what you might call the right wing working class were you working with him i do not going to see him coming as an arch i mean obviously john what he said about people's attitudes as to what tories feel it was the n.h.s. do you also understand as other elements like the un report by feelable student of the international reports that say there's been a political decision to a cruel decision against the poor of this country yeah i wonder how dominant cummings's got from the opposition where essentially is telling the truth and what
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he said there was perfectly valid i mean jeremy haun coauthored a book which kind of openly advocated for the privatisation of the n.h.s. for the polls and said a systematic immiseration of a 60 significant part of the british population they say that this is a political decision that's been taken. to austerity in the n.h.s. and stuff and i wonder how that money can then go from a spouse in those views to go into being government because you want to get done and labor certainly are going to do it although the existence and you know he's telling. the truth he's a very very. just clever strategic thinker one of the best and it's labor ironically who's lost those white working class people the tories of say east and partly it's because i think jeremy called me most it seems patrick tick criticism for they believe i went out and some of these northern cities well i don't think they because a cold and he couldn't even blame the russians or even if you took masing this stuff all resonated on the doorstep well i don't know joe what do you think about things i think if you think it was there's an element of what you say undoubtedly
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the kind of smear campaign perpetrated by the british mostly smear some of these a lot of things said he wouldn't play with a lot of things such as him being a check spy an old man of the things particularly in the daily mail and over newspapers which were out i absolutely completely untrue let's be honest and i think it's unprecedented the kind of smear campaign against coburn actually there's an element of that in the north but i lived there i don't know why people vote the way they did and he was a brick and your friends john we'll take a break that more for all of them after this short break. i'm going to fulfill the repeated promises apologise to the people and promise to be you know we've all pots.
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that you want to. know 5. coming. in the united states presidential candidates debate the future of the u.s. and the world. max kaiser and stacy her but dig into the burning questions of this election cycle oneself every week. tax student debt trade was
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corporate money universal basic. and more catch up with what's front running this sunday exclusively on r.t. . that's. good. to me it was impossible. to go back to business. actually that there was a massive disconnect between. what i did was to go in there. i
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believed. and i kind of stepped back a bit. and i came back and. i'm going to keep. all of this. well. i think a very large number of people. accept that it's a democratic result except what's happening i now want to make the best of it i mean. he's going to refuse to use the 50. he begins to look a little bit like a member of the. biggest.
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would be ridiculous. he's a big. you know what's really happened here what really happened here is the people of overcome the westminster establishment 10 years ago there was nobody in that building that would leave the european union no newspaper but one of the levy european union this was a grassroots campaign that succeeded so the real winner here is democracy and goodness me that is worth celebrating what is a bride's a party go from here as i say we will be there keeping a watching brief on all of this. many thing we've achieved our goals. and they may be right and if they are right. you know if it turns out with the party was the shortest in the past in history but it is its goals that's great but where we will be that we will not allow the ball to be dropped again without us being there to
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catch it and will you be trying to take the rest of europe this movement. look i. i i'm pro european in every way i've spent 20 years but i've spent over 20 years inside the institutions and i want to europe of sovereign nation states i want to trade together cooperate together have reciprocity student exchanges to be neighbors as if we're living in the same street and want to respect each other close to cooperate with each other and i want to be run by a bunch of old men in the european commission who i can't vote for like over me thank you thank you very much. for going to going on. 24 hours welcome back. so. we made ambassador to the united states we didn't get on with. legibly but tony benn against your hero mrs thatcher always wanted closer relations with the european union and she was alive today she'd have been in that referendum
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campaign she'd be back. i'm quite convinced this is a great moment for us because he now has to be seen in in the context of he's probably one of the most significant politicians who's never been elected to westminster at the last full 2 years because without the brick. without him it never been a referendum he spooked david cameron panicked held a referendum and then screwed up the referendum join it as we said it is a left wing project in its inception breaks that tony benn was the key cheerleader all of that at the moment we're seeing the flames in paris as the. fluting border posts in greece as they try and lock out refugees the e.u. is near liberal project why should labor ever have not supported knowledge of well i think in some ways the lexicon of side of things has been completely written out of the narrative in lots of ways in the right the political rise come to mumbai almost in its entirety and i think that every little bit with these that we're kind of forced into this by the thing where he saw that you were either he or you
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completely madly for him lots of us on the left of like reservations about the you but would draw the stain and you never hear them voices and i think to be called himself said at one point i'm 7 out of 10 about the i personally am 7 i would say i don't think he was perfect by any stretch but i honestly feel that the alternative is going to be a disaster vince you have a new book out you're a professor of those school of economics presumably very remain london school of economics did ledger for edge come up often when you were in the cabinet. no of course he's the big winner and was right about but often i think we should be learning from my much i don't think people are going to reopen their minds on this issue for quite a long time but after 10 years hence they haven't delivered there will be a lot of disillusionment probably not so probably that the younger generation will want to reopen says ok well let's look at something about the environmental implications of bricks at this from europe active he could use carbon border tax
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against brics it britain warns and we. can be seen as got a complicated story at the top especially given the boris johnson is talking about climate change goals but it says that the green. these investigation claims that tens of millions of tonnes of carbon being sent or projects are being sponsored by the british taxpayer as to how do you see the climate change the. context of brics action climate change is becoming it's become a real issue now and it's really important i thought it would feature more in the general election actually because i think criticism has been hugely influential she's much ridiculed by people at the end of term but by god she's put it on the agenda and the young people in this country have really passionate about and you believe boris johnson personally as well i think he has to be otherwise he'll pay a heavy price for it what do you make $1.00 of the carbon tax is a perfectly sensible this is not where you are as a business to but it's actually i think what you export finance don't you do it
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export from arms it's about imposing a tax on all carbon using substances including imports ours where the carbon tax comes if the european union stops slamming on import restrictions on china and india and brazil on the rest of them i mean these these are the countries that are not going to corporate but john we knew about european environmental standards from under the diesel scandal of the bigger european government effectors arguably the left though believe that the european union was so a force for good when it came to the environment yeah because i think we have to take collective action with regards to the environment and that means you know cut cooperation with other countries in this idea that we could in disentangle ourselves from political you are we can also do so from the geographical you're a piece is actually nonsense we exist in the same part of the world and therefore have to take some degree of collective action nothing johnson's game of populism that he's played during the whole thing actually means that much of his base maybe don't care about climate change i think
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a lot of his basic would be important facts openly skeptical when you go to the climate you might be right about that but i think he's got people around you know they've got to bridge this because nigel farage always denied it was about immigration to one side of the and. and then talk a lot about immigration to others if we see this from the level of independent boris johnson accused of using immigration system as a marketing gimmick over high skill visa. since immigration you often used to say was behind the old bricks it projects what do you make of the high skilled visas and what's being talked about and presumably this has to all be a dummy or a great real problem area for the government and i had constant problems when i was in government with to reason my student son and other things but i mean in a way the government is pointing in 2 different directions and they want the economy to succeed at the same time a lot of people in the u.k. are expecting immigration to fall quite drastically and you can't satisfy all these
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different constituent he's always been he's always took a different line there to treason may have an issue if you want to be in the low tens of thousands and i think boris johnson's taken the figure out completely ok well let's go to this the telegraph us could see community vitek jones imposed brigs it u.k. trade deal more than chlorinated chicken that you worry your readers about isn't this the problem that these big tech companies the payload the any tags well that's the pump of the tax but it's going to be part of the free trade you know it's all good jobs is there is going to be a tech tax of course that's another standoff with trump and how long he's going to be present but we don't know this quid pro quo they have to pay tax but then they get full scale full spectrum surveillance of every british subject no no i mean we will continue to be governed by. the european nature rules and actually that's something he was a member of but i would be surprised if we deviate from their touch because it's
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worked quite well as is obviously tax structure starts here their pay tax in the us i've been in negotiation surely the head of facebook amazon twitter who knows else can just say to a british minister you know what if you want to do this to us we'll. leave we can block you from it they have the power we do it well they are they are massive global companies i think that there is an interesting case in the british competition system at the moment where we're trying to block all the authorities say they're trying to block a takeover of imus in the delivery room i think you're more sadly one of those subsidiary companies and i think that's a good test of how much taking back control really be something in this area which you would how do you think gregg's it will impact us well to the actual hour of a brit seems to me that we're being blackmailed essentially they're threatening to put a tax on the u.k. called industry unless we cave on the she issue is interesting that looks like the crown has already caved in the french may kind of doom us as the u.s.
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ruskin to tax the tech giants i think is an open and shut case i mean you have to link directly to austerity and to the kind of situation this country jeff bezos alone has the money to and will probably be 10 months killed anyone he said those are the figures you know really going to win even if the children succeed 4000000 people even public is going to rise to 5000000 k. to have the rich the vents on financial services where the big growth has been since this is that you're in the big bang will be the same regardless of the so-called briggs it's only address he is going to take a hit on and about 20 percent of that business is with the european union and all the institutions of the city and probably best place to cope with it well it's here boris johnson kind of a previous boris johnson there when he was johnson's arguably the how would you vote to mark it was a referendum i'd like to stay in the single market and in favor of the single market i want to be paul i want us to be able to trade freely with our european friends and partners which boris johnson is that we do and if we go to now i want
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to be a little less orica he read to $5000.00 word article stupidity telegraph one he published alky why we had to leave it was a very eloquent case where we had to be fair can case why we should stay and i he waited up like this and decided we'd like pop. and this is a man only truly will say anything if it guarantees power and as much as i kind of hate margaret thatcher and love jenny colby i it makes me for politicians welcome big because these people literally will say anything you so cummings before saying the exact opposite cumming's they still believe the tories will destroy the n.h.s. we don't we don't know if you are in that cabinet or david cameron who put the referendum in place which is my wings will be about all the great 6 years in the cabinet. duncan smith and quite a few others i don't think they remotely thought that we were going to walk away from the single market customs union we could have worked towards a brics relationship with the european union that kept most of the economic benefits but walked away from a lot of the politics and we haven't done that and i think there will be
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a big price to pay or andrew do you think actually as nigel seemed to intimate britain is the 1st of the countries to leave the european union i mean i'm not wishing that a lot on the european union. workers. that are over sort of a day or of course if we had stayed in the customs union the single market then we would never be free to strike the trade deals beyond which is one of the great attractions the irony of course is that today we've requested help from the regarding corona virus on the very day that we have left which to me demonstrates perfectly the need for international co-operation you know really we're going to rejoin without doing the euro. that because of the thought box a formal legal position 5 years time the european union may be quite different structural. vince cable thank you doctor for the children back on monday when the man who holds the gold from bernie sanders tries to win over i were in the what we call been failed to be the progressive politician in charge of an age religion
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given. during the great depression which old mr remember there was and most of my family were unemployed. and it wasn't it was bed you know much worse objective listen today but there was an expectation of the things were going to get better. there was a real sense of hopefulness there isn't today today's america was shaped by the 10 principles of concentration of wealth and power. reduced democracy attack solo debt engineer elections manufacture consent another prince holds according to no i'm jones to one set of rules for the rich opposite.
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that's what happens when you put her into the hands of a narrow sector of will switch will is dedicated to increasing power for chills just as you'd expect one of the most influential intellectuals of our time speaks about the modern civilization of america. that.
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