hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered i am peter lavelle briggs that is a reality in the u.k. is finally out of the european union now what kind of relationship will the u.k. have with europe and the u.s. also secretary of state mike pompei oh asks do you think americans care ukraine. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guess he. is a political analyst an editor at you know so many internet media project and in london we crossed him marcus papadopoulos he's the editor of politics 1st magazine cross-talk rules in effect that he can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to marcus 1st in london well it took 1316 days but the

u.k. is finally out of the european union the next 11 months will be very key what can we expect and i want to focus on geopolitics here what kind of balancing acts does prime minister boris johnson have to play in dealing with a new relationship with the european union and possibly a new relationship with the united states go ahead marcus. well now that britain has left the u.s. in unions the hard work begins because it was on the one hands rexx its office opportunities to the u.k. for example for cool simpler it's in c. league a nice premises and for britain to construct a sensible and coherence immigration policy on the other hand there are challenges to the u.k. and one of those challenges for britain is to secure long term and funds hey just trade it was with countries around the world and there are question marks as to

whether britain can secure and fantasia's trade deals with countries so for example when it comes to america there is some concern that yes brits and all will be able to secure a trade deal with america but just how at funds pages will actually deal big our markets and the 2 were the 2 words come to mind trojan horse that's what a lot of people are worried about is that they they say the u.k. will be johnson will be so keen to get a trade agreement with the united states that it may not be as that been cages as it should be and the true spirit of what breaks it was all about keep going. yes absolutely and in particular what was sort of accessible the americans have so grissom's national health service and let me tell you this very short story recently i was speaking with an australian officials and this official told me that while australia would be open at 6 signing

a new trade deal with britain australians you ate lean figure a to reset in southeast asia as a source straight to her because naturally australia has a lot of economic interests and investments in southeast asia so what we hear british politicians and journalists say that australia is at the front of the 2 of us and sisters in australia want to sign a new trade deal that's not given the full picture and i also believe that the world will witness a comments a get up a strengthening of the anglo-saxon the well by which i mean brits and america canada new zealand and australia 5. or threats to the world and within a few hours of reaching out and left the european union peter canada had to oppose a model of political union involving canada britain australia and new zealand so i

believe that the anglo-saxon vote which in the last quarter of a century at least as being the sponsible for so much carnage and destruction around the world could actually be strengthened as a result of threats it's it's very interesting that i haven't that's i haven't heard that that is very new but you know you have to even before you have a new relationship you have that and the past one and unraveling the of from the relationship of the e.u. is it's going to take a lot of time 11 months isn't that much time big trade agreements usually take years so we're going to have to get you know can condense this down right here the issue is also in foreign policy and i'm glad marcus brought that up is that. the. u.k. is has usually gone along with a lot of the european countries the continental countries when it comes to foreign policy now that could be unhinged here i think england terms like iran for example and tony blair famously said when he was deciding to go along with george w.

bush in invading iraq iraq is that he thought historically that britain must always choose the u.s. over europe is that the same question that boris johnson is going to have to face well you know talking of all the reasons why that happened you know when i child leaves of school probably the problem is with the child but even laurel from the problem was with the school and you don't hear it that much you know in the international press now what was wrong with the european all you know what was wrong with the european union everyone is just concentrated on these arguments between boris johnson and his opponents and why has your ip become so unattractive. well i think there are answers very simple it seems to be a peaceful continent people repeat you know that the soul of prosperity and stability well the zone of prosperity and stability of participated in the war in afghanistan in the war in iraq it continues the destruction of yugoslavia against

in the destruction of yugoslavia in there in underneath the civil war in ukraine the e.u. played even bigger role than the united states so i agree with marcus when he speaks about carnage well that carnage was inflicted not only by the anglo saxons but by this whole idea all the g 8 or which of the anglo-saxon scot countries unfortunately were a part you know this radical ideology to remake the walled in the image of all of the west you know so basically i'm afraid that even though we may have more culturally between. britain and europe you know between the united states and the e.u. that also doesn't mean that all of this a go if you will stop to be aggressive you know communist china conflicts with soviet union it didn't mean. the world that actually you know most markets take us through this here because the european you are one of the breaks it is

important in a very metaphorical sense it is a precedent that has been established here what is europe going to do is going to double down or is it going to have a post-mortem in trying to explain and understand why briggs it happened in the 1st place because once the precedent is set others can follow and actually develop a strategy looking at the british example of how to how to do it and do it right and probably do it with less pain and quicker is this something brussels was thinking about and if they not should they be go ahead. well shortly our written left the european union's there were officials in brussels who were speaking openly about you about the european union have ensued the full and indeed want e.u. officials said that we have to be we have to learn to be a lot more because a lot of people within the european union how out of love with the you and i would

also say this peter that there are a number of politicians in britain at westminster who are seeking to weaken the european union despite the fact that britain has left the u. so there are some conservative politicians who are actively encouraging colons to try and break away from the european union by plane the german cost so those british politicians are saints of poland that germany coached you so much pain so much agony and they never paid to record ration schools by the nazi occupation of poland him over whatsoever and yet you poland you the polish people are controlled by the germans the date you needs a breakthrough so i think that now that britain is out of the e.u. yes britain will secure a trade deal between itself and the european union because it is in the interests

of brussels and london because there is a lot of economic dependency back between answers but i think that brinson certainly encouraged by the americans will continue to try and weaken the european union by focusing in on certain countries that they believe are liabilities for the european union poland is just one example it's very interesting you know i mean i remember when i was in poland the day they entered the european union and i told my polish friends you will regret this. for that's right you will regret this. because the european union in its quote unquote value system doesn't match the values of most polls and we're seeing this right now i mean the the interesting thing to now is that lessons to be learned here i mean i don't see the european union actually seriously thinking about reform i think that the leadership of the e.u. these mandarins of the universe they do believe more integration more integration

and we have these populist movements mushrooming all around europe because of this intent a more intense integration and this war populism was just stuck to them by the e.u. itself in fact these are normal people ok they will not can this is i want our viewers to know we will use words the way we want to use them in well how we understand them ok populism is not a duty or a dirty word. for example. or hungary where they disagree with the who. wants to have good relations with russia that's not populist and that's regime has gone home in sense one sense exactly and with poland there i quite agree with what marcus has just said. it's interesting you know so britain is going to use boyish nationalism well why is polish nationalism so strong for them now because of the e.u. for a very simple reason the e.u.

is an ideological basically it's an ideological group of countries no believing in no liberalism believe in ultra liberalism everything that goes with it so outer liberalism is is very surprising in one way on the hand you know globalization migration they support it or you know let's break all the borders but when they have a conflict with russia or with china or with iran and they will have called with big countries because they will they want to dominate the world they do or no labor is and wants to dormant. what suddenly they make alliances with the most primitive nationalists and poland was one of the cases the the european union and the united states supported polish nationalists against russia what about ukrainians are doing that now you know the same with ukrainian nationalists all of that narrative which which so many russians that the soviet union together with nazi germany style the

right order that was a big i tried to we have to end here we're going to go to which i brought you the 1st nationalism in bad nationalism and now this national is doing it again so they're going to just i mean really what are you going to have to i'm going to a short break marcus papadopoulos in london thank you very much we're going to go to a break now and after that break we'll continue our discussion on some real news with our team. thinking of getting a new puppy once we got our she. didn't know when to use traps and this time you know why are we going to use a crate with him he will start freaking out when it's pretty much anywhere near. breeding dogs or caged in the conditions on puppy farm i mean 67 years you know they've been locked up in a cage outside you see no protection from the weather the heat you know the

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belief yet to shape out just to become educated and in gain trade equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart if we choose to look for common ground. world is driven by. the dares. to ask. welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to

remind you we're discussing some real news. and now to athens we're joined by alex thomas of our oh he is the director and writer for the duran dot com all right alex thank you for joining us today i mean that i have this wonderful pleasure of trashing my poem pale in n.p.r. and the same segment this you know these are gifts that does come to me we have this school we have this squabble. it's not been recorded and this is something that was rendered later through memory but the n.p.r. . reporter was asking my comp aoe about ukraine and he comes back and i won't use all the expletives it was a lot of f. bombs do you think americans care about ukraine it's a very interesting question because ukraine came out of thin air it came out of thin air during this impeachment saga that is thankfully almost completely over but nobody talks about what the u.s.

and the european union did in ukraine in 2014 the illegal overthrow of an elected president go ahead alex yeah that's exactly right i mean ukraine puter is just been getting used by adam schiff it's been getting used by palosi it's been getting used by the republicans as well and pump ale really just spells it out. for n.p.r. and for ukraine and he was in kiev and i really hope that selenski took note of what pompei o told mary louise kelly at n.p.r. do you think americans care about ukraine and so pompei goes to crane selenski was hoping for an invitation to d.c. to the white house to meet with trump he didn't get any of it instead peter what we got was the same oh do you know you're fighting for freedom and democracy and blah blah blah the same stuff actually that schiff was saying during the senate trial when he was giving his speech that the u.s. needs to stand up for ukraine because they're fighting for freedom and democracy and you know they're fighting the war against russia is that russia doesn't invade

the u.s. and all this ridiculous stuff the honest truth is that the trump white house does not care about ukraine because the trite trump white house is transactional is looking to make deals whether it's going to sell weapons what is going to sell so oil and natural gas pump air went to minsk bellow reuss this weekend for what reason so he can sell natural gas to belarus that's what they care about the trump white house is transactional ukraine is getting used here it's getting used for a coup against the united states president obama used it for geo political reasons and as a puzzle to this biden look guard i.m.f. money laundering scheme 45000000000 yen into ukraine peter from the e.u. u.s. i.m.f. where is that in my mind i didn't buy it in well 100 got a little got a sliver of it exactly let me go to deal with where the money go you know damn it i mean from the ukrainians perspective you know america's their new ally but from

washington's perspective ukraine is a new client state that's the rub that is the difference here and go have so little play well and i think is just hilarious you know because we can only guess how strongly at war that statement of all true grain was because as washington examiner writes. we're flying our own. taught these woman from n.p.r. and mary louise kelly. americans really care about ukraine of course they don't want is there are so from the washington examiner but ukraine from exactly ukraine is important as support against russia so let me remind you of another phrase from then super warsi who hates trump so much but nancy pelosi never the less value or go she said russia it's about russia it's not about ukraine it's about crush invading eastern ukraine all roads lead to pollution understand that well everyone

understands there are all wrongs basically lead to the people who made the queen ukraine. carpetbaggers and follow exactly are the carpetbaggers that followed and it is expression of humor arius you know the article by us former ambassador to ukraine william taylor in the new york times where he writes if you believe washington examiner that a russian triumph in ukraine will last in earth shared the real effects on the health of other western democracies if ukraine falls the civilized world falls with it and of what is what does fall mean well we were in the definition of let's let me remind you what is your green in the mind or william taylor and. barman and others it was all you so poor has fallen that group is out of office did the civilized world fold with a hint the civilized world to speed it is so bad that one more group is all they want to keep or you know code which is billions but they're not looking for polish

anchors i suppose we'll do follow them let me remind you that all of this month 2nd story in latin america they didn't find putin's billions but they found the mind of course but somehow stayed in power and they never found you know which is billions let me remind you that the e.u. called basically a poor were just too young according to stay in there and they're going to go back to alex here but. the really cream story is hunter biden and you know it is for bowden to talk about it ok all right there's some folks over at fox news that talks about it but i mean if you go on that you know m s n b c c n n n p r that is a story that just doesn't seem to get any kind of traction here but that is the real story here and hunter biden is just a small example of how ukraine was essential he uses the money out of clearing operation and nobody in power seems to really want to be looking at it i guess lindsey graham wants to take it into his committee but i mean everybody wants to keep it under wraps but actually it's just

a an excellent example of just how ukraine is just been this conduit for creating instability against russia and actually enhance ing and and allowing more corruption to happen because there's a high correlation with boren aid and corruption highly correlated and that's and that's for geo political reasons go ahead alex. that is the moral of the story peter you said it perfectly well the foreign aid followed by the corruption the story of ukraine is obama's story it's the obama crew in ukraine it's our guy yes it's the other f. bomb that victoria nuland romped remember it's now leader resco an american citizen serving as the finance minister we also heard about vidlin being offered the defense ministry position 3 times these are americans being offered minister positions in the ukraine for what reason peter for what reason because all this money was coming in from u.s. taxpayers you taxpayers and the i.m.f.

which was under look guards watch and she broke many rules by loaning money to ukraine she was loaning money to whatever i'm peter at about what race what about grace i was just about to say greece cyprus spain portugal ireland italy all undergoing austerity while they were pouring money into ukraine our money taxpayer money this is corruption that far surpasses hunter biden as we said in the in the earlier segment hunter biden was just a sliver of the corruption that went on in ukraine you know all along in ukraine is it exists in a vacuum and it's a an idea it's not a place it's not. a large population of people but we have this new president some linsky ran on anti-corruption ran on having better ties with moscow and in the war and ending the conflict in the east and but if you look at the great protectors of

ukraine in western media in the political class they want come flick this is something they and zelinsky is trying to cool things down and he's trying to find a way out i think he actually wants to find a way out of what he has to save face but he doesn't have a partner in his our lives the americans in the european union go ahead well it's true. doesn't have the guts to really force the ukrainian nationalists who have a free count in ukraine so judging by his latest statements he doesn't have the guts to end the war but i think it was very important what that excess just said about the. pale coming to belarus and trying to go in to buy an american gas you know the laws dictate the euro of buying american gas that's nice but if i were adviser i would go forward to hear him. trumps let the dog on the other dictate or don't be in the get and stop doing that because

. last year he invited you want western advice he had lighted people from there plenty columcille to consult him on he was a russia there were ben hor just there were alexander better michael competent now he invited compelled to give him advice well might want to question would be if you really want to go down the tubes listen to them. if you really want to make sure that he knows look at does this every couple of years he's trying to play one side against the other. person really works it's really the actor coherent let me go back to the athens you know alex you know where does it go from here because you know selinski is. basically between a rock and a hard place and he has great benefactors that he sees in washington they're not coming through the european union is already told we talked about this a couple of weeks ago they told the ukrainians get your energy relations with

russia fix because we can fix it for you ok i mean basically coming down to earth now with the impeachment saga almost completely and maybe there is a possibility to move the needle somewhere but this whole process is actually damaged ukraine and the prospects for their own people the voted present linsky overwhelmingly for a better. future that future isn't coming about in the us and my campaign you could care less go ahead yeah i agree with that ukraine needs to look after its own self interest and it needs to mend fences with its neighbors 1st and foremost being russia the e.u. has a bad ukraine they have no time for ukraine especially after breaks it but selenski and the people of ukraine can learn from brics that the u.k. is now open for business he needs to start making trade deals with the whole entire world ukraine needs to follow that type of line it needs to start thinking beyond to nato be on the e.u. be on the united states because the entire coup from 2014 was

a failed project it was a failed obama project and if i can just say one more thing about ukraine in the way they are using it peter let's go back to the don lemon c.n.n. that we heard where they said couldn't find ukraine if you had a you and a crane were good they were not only insulting the people that supported vote for trump they were insulting ukraine they don't care about ukraine whatsoever it's as you said peter ukraine is not a country it's not a people it's this thing that they use to hit trump over the head with dave in the last 30 seconds good well unfortunately it looks like the landscape doesn't understand it because last week what he said was britain is leaving the e.u. also there is a blank sport left and ukraine could feel it well if you want to go down the tubes the same wardes as to do it you know well 1st no one would meet ukraine to the u. and 2nd it's a wrong strategy the. dies with russia these is the real market and this is the real life line for ukraine unfortunately it's not doing it now in 2 eyes on the

people who asked michael cohen phil rightly said at n.p.r. do n.p.r. host. and care about our gentlemen that's all the time we have here many thanks to my guest here in moscow athens and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here in our d.c. see you next time and remember. tough and the full entire system accounts huevos to subsume. baloch itself mukti about. closing this way got to dog so hard not to think of the mother disappeared just look at them look like they cower and an empty stomach and if. this is the only thing that we do is music because everybody fights in his

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