or all things are considered peter lavelle brags it is a reality in the u.k. is finally out of the european union now what kind of relationship will the u.k. have with europe and the u.s. also secretary of state mike pompei asks do you think americans care ukraine. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest he remarks go dimitri is a political analyst and editor it interests me internet media project and in london we cross to marcus papadopoulos he's the editor of politics 1st magazine cross-talk rules in effect that he can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to marcus 1st in london well it took 1316 days but the u.k. is finally out of the european union the next 11 months will be very key what can we expect and i want to focus on geopolitics here what kind of balancing acts prime minister boris johnson have to play in dealing with

a new relationship with the european union and possibly a new relationship with the united states go ahead marcus. well now that britain has left the u.s. in unions the hard work begins because last time the one happens next it's office opportunities to the u.k. for example for cool simpler it's in c. league a nice primacy and recency to construct a sensible and coherence immigration policy on the other hand there are challenges to the u.k. and one of those challenges for britain is to secure long term and forms hey just trade it was with countries around the world and there are question marks as to whether britain can secure and fantasia's trade deals with countries so for example when it comes to america there is some concern that yes brits and all will be able to secure a trade deal with america but just how at funds pages will actually deal big our

markets and the 2 were the 2 words come to mind trojan horse that's what a lot of people are worried about is that they they say the u.k. would be johnson will be so keen to get a trade agreement with the united states that it may not be as that been cages as it should be and the true spirit of what breaks it was all about keep going. yes absolutely and in that situation it was sort of accessible the americans have sublists and national health service and let me tell you this very short story recently i was speaking with an australian officials and this official told me that while australia would be open at 6 signing a new trade deal with britain australians you ate lean figure a to reset in southeast asia as a source straight ahead of course naturally australia has a lot of economic interests and investments in southeast asia so what we hear

british politicians and journalists say australia is at the front of the 2 of us and sisters in australia want to sign a new trade deal that's not given the full picture and i also believe that the world will witness a comments a get a strengthening of the anglo saxon well by which i mean brits and america canada new zealand and australia 5 x. and half and left the european union paid canada how to oppose a model of political union involving canada with an australia and new zealand so i believe that the anglo-saxon vote which in the last quarter of a century at least as being the sponsible for so much carnage and destruction around the world could actually be strengthened as a result of threats it's it's very interesting that i haven't that's i haven't heard that that is very new but you know you have to even before we have a new relationship you have that and the past one and unraveling the of from the

relationship of the e.u. is it's going to take a lot of time 11 months isn't that much time big trade agreements usually take years so we're going to have to you know can condense this down right here the issue is also in foreign policy and i'm glad marcus brought that up is that. the u.k. is has usually gone along with a lot of the european countries the continental. countries when it comes to foreign policy now that could be unhinged here i think england terms like iran for example and tony blair famously said when he was deciding to go along with george w. bush in invading iraq iraq is that he felt historically that britain must always choose the u.s. over europe is that the same question that boris johnson is going to have to face well you know talking about the reasons why that happened you know when they child leaves of school probably the problem was with the child but even more often the problem was with the school and you don't hear it that much you know in the

international press now what was wrong with europe you know what was wrong with the european union everyone is just concentrated on these arguments between boris johnson and his opponents and why has europe become so i'm attractive well i think they're on c. is very simple it seems to be a peaceful continent people repeat you know that dissolve of prosperity and stability well the zone of prosperity and stability of participated in the war in afghanistan in the war in iraq it continues the destruction if you are going to stay in the destruction of yugoslavia in there underneath the civil war in ukraine the e.u. played even bigger role than the united states so i agree with marcus when he speaks about carnage well that carnage was inflicted not only by the anglo saxons but by this whole idea all the g 8 or which the anglo saxons got countries

unfortunately were a part you know this radical ideology to remake the walled in the image of all of the west you know so basically i'm afraid that even though we may have more call for it between. britain and europe between the united states and the e.u. that all doesn't mean that all of this ideology will stop to be a good. yes if you know communist china conflicts with soviet union it didn't mean . the world that actually you know marcus take us through this here because the european one of the breaks it is important in a very metaphorical sense it is a precedent that has been established here what is europe going to do is going to double down or is it going to have a post-mortem in trying to explain and understand why briggs it happened in the 1st place because once the precedent is set others can follow and actually develop

a strategy looking at the british example of how to how to do it and do it right and probably do it with less pain and quicker is this something brussels was thinking about and if they not should they be go ahead. well shortly are the brits and left the european union's there were officials in brussels who were speaking openly about you about the european union have ensued the full and indeed want e.u. officials said that we have to be we have to learn to be a lot more because a lot of people within the european union power out of love with the years and i would also say this peter that there are a number of politicians in britain at westminster who are seeking to weaken the european union despite the fact that britain has left the u. so there are some conservative politicians who are actively encouraging poland's to

try and break away from the european union by plane the german cost so the british politicians are saints of poland that germany coached you so much pain so much agony and they never paid to the record ration schools by the nazi occupation of poland him over whatsoever and yet you poland you the polish people are controlled by the germans to date you needs a breakthrough so i think that now that britain is out of the e.u. yes britain will secure a trade deal between itself and the european union because that is in the interests of brussels and london because there is a lot of economic dependency back between answers but i think that brinson certainly encouraged by the americans will continue to try and weaken the european union by focusing in on certain countries that they believe ought liabilities to the european union poland is just one example it's very interesting you know i mean

i remember when i was in poland the day they entered the european union and i told my polish friends you will regret this. for that's right you will regret this. because the european union and its quote unquote value system doesn't match the values of most polls and we're seeing this right now i mean the interesting thing to now is that lessons to be learned here i mean i don't see the european union actually seriously thinking about reform i think that the leadership of the e.u. these mandarins of the universe they do believe more integration more integration and we have these populist movements mushrooming all around europe because of this intent a more intense integration and this war populism was just stuck to them by the e.u. itself in fact these are normal people ok they will not can this is i want our viewers to know we will use words the way we want to use them in well how we

understand them ok populism is not a division or a dirty war. for example. or hungary where they disagree with the who and when congress wants to have good relations with russia that's more populist and that's ration has gone home in sense one sense exactly and with paul and i quite agree with what marcus has just said. it's interesting you know so britain is going to use boyish nationalism well why is polish nationalism so strong for them now because of the e.u. for a very simple reason the e.u. is an ideological basically it's an ideological group of countries no believing in no liberalism believe in ultra liberalism everything that goes with it so outer liberalism is is very surprising in one way on the hand you know globalization migration they support it or you know let's break all the borders but when they

have a conflict with russia or with china or with iran and they will have coffee with big countries because they will they want to dominate the world they or no labor is and wants to dormant. what suddenly they make alliances with the most primitive nationalists and poland was one of the cases the the european union and the united states supported polish nationalists against russia what about ukrainians are doing it now you know the same with ukrainian nationalists all of that narrative which which is so many russians that the soviet union together with nazi germany started the right order that was it big i tried to we have to end here we're going to go to which i promise you there's a good nationalism and bad nationalism and now this national is turning against the who are going to jump in here and really what we're going to go to a short break marcus papadopoulos in london thank you very much we're going to go to a break now and after that break we'll continue our discussion on some real news with our team.

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and now to athens we're joined by alex thomas of our oh he is a director and writer for the duran dot com all right alex thank you for joining us today i mean that i have this wonderful pleasure of trashing my poem peo in n.p.r. in this same segment this you know these are gifts that does come to me we have this school we have this squabble. it's not been recorded and this is something that was rendered later through memory but the n.p.r. . reporter was asking my comp aoe about ukraine and he comes back and i won't use all the expletives it was a lot of f. bombs do you think americans care about ukraine it's a very interesting question because ukraine came out of thin air it came out of thin air during this impeachment saga that is thankfully almost completely over but nobody counts about what the u.s. and the european union did in ukraine in 2014 the illegal overthrow of an elected president go ahead alex yeah that's exactly right i mean ukraine puter is just

been getting used by adam schiff it's been getting used by palosi it's been getting used by the republicans as well and pump ale really just spells it out. for n.p.r. and for ukraine and he was in kiev and i really hope that selenski took note of what pompei o told mary louise kelly at n.p.r. do you think americans care about ukraine and so pompei goes to crane selenski was hoping for an invitation to d.c. to the white house to meet with trump he didn't get any of it instead peter what we got was the same mode you know you're fighting for freedom and democracy and blah blah blah the same stuff actually that schiff was saying during the senate trial when he was giving his speech that the u.s. needs to stand up for ukraine because they're fighting for freedom and democracy and you know they're fighting the war against russia is that russia doesn't invade the u.s. and all this ridiculous stuff the honest truth is that the trump white house does not care about ukraine because the trite trump white house is transactional is

looking to make deals whether it's going to sell weapons what is going to sell so oil and natural gas pump air went to minsk bellow reuss this weekend for what reason so he can sell natural gas to belarus that's what they care about the trump white house is transactional ukraine is getting used here it's getting used for a coup against the united states president obama used it for geo political reasons and as a puzzle to this biden look guard i.m.f. money laundering scheme 45000000000 yen into ukraine peter from the e.u. u.s. i.m.f. where is that in my mind i mean biden well 100 got a little bit of a sliver of it exactly let me go to david where the money go you know damn it i mean from the ukrainians perspective you know america's their new ally but from washington's perspective ukraine is a new client state that's the rub that is the difference here and go have so will play well and i think is just hilarious you know because we can only guess how

strongly at war that statement of all true grain was because as washington examiner writes. we're flying our own. taught these woman from n.p.r. and mary louise kelly do is think americans really care about ukraine of course they daunte is the answer from the washington examiner but you clearly from my campaign know exactly ukraine is important s. of poor against russia so let me remind you of another phrase from then super warsi who hates on payola drum so much about nancy pelosi never the less valuable she said russia it's about russia it's not about ukraine it's about crush invading eastern ukraine all roads lead to pollution understand that well everyone understands they're all wrong basically lead to the people who made the queen ukraine. carpetbaggers and follow exactly on the carpetbaggers that followed and

it is expression of humor areas of the article by us for members that ukraine william taylor in the new york times where he writes if you believe washington examiner that a russian triumph in ukraine will last in earth shared the region if it's on the health of other western democracies if ukraine falls the civilized world falls with it and of what is what does fall mean well we were in the definition of let's let me remind you what is your green in the mind or william taylor and and and others it was bush and gore you know. so poor fall in that group is out of office did the civilized world folate didn't the civilized world to speak to the so bad of uncle cruel because i want to keep or you know cope which is billions but they're not looking for punishing cause i suppose we'll do follow them let me remind you that the whole of this month 2nd story in latin america they didn't find putin's billions but they found the mind but some stayed in power and they never followed

your record which is b.s. let me remind you that the e.u. called basically a poor were just too young according to say and then disbelief by that let me go back to alex here but the real ukraine story is hunter biden and you know it is for both to talk about it ok all right there's some folks over at fox news that talks about it but i mean if you go on that you know m s n b c c n n n p r that is a story that just doesn't seem to get any kind of traction here but that is the real story here and hunter biden is just a small example of how ukraine was sensually uses a money out clearing operation and nobody in power seems to really want to be looking at it i guess lindsey graham wants to take it into his committee but i mean everybody wants to keep it under wraps but actually it's just a an excellent example of just how ukraine is just been this conduit for creating instability against russia and actually enhance ing and and allowing

more corruption to happen because there's a high correlation with boring aid and corruption highly correlated and that's and that's for geo political reasons go ahead alex. that is the moral of the story peter you said it perfectly well the foreign aid followed by the corruption the story of ukraine is obama's story it's the obama crew in ukraine it's our guy yes it's the other f. bomb that victoria nuland propped remember it's now lead to resco an american citizen serving as the finance minister we also heard about vidlin being offered the defense ministry position 3 times these are americans being offered minister positions in the ukraine for what reason peter for what reason because all this money was coming in from u.s. taxpayers you taxpayers and the i.m.f. which was under look guards watch and she broke many rules by loaning money to ukraine she was lonely money to whatever and peter had about one race what about

great i was just about to say greece cyprus spain portugal ireland italy all undergoing austerity while they were pouring money into ukraine our money taxpayer money this is corruption that far surpasses hunter biden as we said in the in the earlier segment hunter biden was just a sliver of the corruption that went on in ukraine you know all along in ukraine is it exists in a vacuum and it's a an idea it's not a place it's not. a large population of people but we have this new president and linsky ran on anti-corruption ran on having better ties with moscow and in the war and ending the conflict in the east and but if you look at the great protectors of ukraine in western media in the political class they want come flick this is something they and zelinsky is trying to cool things down and he's trying to find a way out i think he actually wants to find

a way out of what he has to save face but he doesn't have a partner and his allies the americans and the european union go ahead well it's true. doesn't have the guts to really force the ukrainian nationalists who have a free count in ukraine so judging by his latest statements he doesn't have the guts to end the war but i think it was very important what that excess just said about. to belarus and trying to talk with russia and go in to buy an american gas you know the laws dictate the euro of buying american gas that's nice but if i were advised that i would go forward to hear him. let the dog on the other dictate or go to a shop door and be in the stop doing that because. last year he invited you want western advice he had lighted people from there plenty columcille to consult him on

he was a russian there were ben hor just alexander better michael competent now he invited compelled to give him advice well might want to question what would be if you really want to go down the tubes listen to them. if you really want to make sure but he knows does this every couple of years he's trying to play one side against the other. person really works it's really theatrical here let me go back to the athens you know alex you know where does it go from here because you know selinski is. basically between a rock and a hard place and he has great benefactors that he sees in washington they're not coming through the european union is already told we talked about this a couple of weeks ago they told the ukrainians get your energy relations with russia fix because we can fix it for you ok i mean basically coming down to earth now with the impeachment saga almost completely and maybe there is

a possibility to move the needle somewhere but this whole process is actually damaged ukraine and the prospects for their own people voted present linsky overwhelmingly for a better. future that future isn't coming about in the u.s. in my pompei i could care less go ahead yeah i agree with that ukraine needs to look after its own self interest and it needs to mend fences with its neighbors 1st and foremost being russia the e.u. has a bad ukraine they have no time for ukraine especially after breaks it but selenski and the people of ukraine can learn from brics that the u.k. is now open for business he needs to start making trade deals with the whole entire world ukraine needs to follow that type of line it needs to start thinking beyond the nato be on the e.u. be on the united states because the entire coup from 2014 was a failed project it was a failed obama project and if i can just say one more thing about ukraine in the way they are using it peter let's go back to the don lemon c.n.n. that we heard where they said couldn't find ukraine if you had a you and

a crane were good they were not only insulting the people that supported vote for trump they were insulting ukraine they don't care about ukraine whatsoever it's as you said peter ukraine is not a country it's not a people it's this thing that they use to hit trump over the head with david axelrod seconds good well unfortunately it looks like the landscape doesn't understand it because last week what he said was britain is leaving the e.u. also there is a blank sport left and ukraine could feel it well if you want to go down the tubes the same wardes as to will do it you know well 1st no one would meet ukraine to the you and 2nd it's a wrong strategy the you should meant that as with russia these is the real market and this is the real life line for ukraine unfortunately it's not you doing it now in 2 eyes on the people who asked michael cohen phil rightness said at n.p.r. host of ukraine and care about our gentlemen that's all the time we have here many

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