people lot and hate him so much to discuss that i'm now joined by somebody who's had direct access to decent don't singer interpreter and former business associate of don charm i mean there's a lot of mystery a lot of hits pleasure to talk to thank you very much pleasure so much now let me start by asking whether you had any chance to 'd follow the impeachment proceedings this past week and did you root for any of the sides well i haven't followed the thoroughly because i've been traveling a lot lately and you know the whole trump segment jury just presidency is surrounded by so much fake news is a space so i never believed that he could be impeached i always believe that he'll be a president and you know all in all he is what it is you always believed he would be a president and you have. the paid merican for how come with the magna slogan spelled out and it's very rare for somebody in russia to have such an artifact is that an expression of a personal or political sympathy it was a gift by

a russian artist to during the election and during all the hype about me being somehow involved in. mr trump's presidency. this was given to me for my birthday and i really liked it and that's part of my collection here in the room where i spend some of my time do you actually think that he's making america great absolutely in the way in every possible economical. way considering that you know g.d.p. is above the roof. job. crowd is almost gone in america and i think he's been a very successful president at least financially as a businessman with the business background he's been more successful than a lot of his pretty presidents it's interesting though to say that because he is riding very high in the polls according to gallup 6. 53 percent of the americans

approve of the of his handling of the economy which is a record not only for trump but also for any president since $911.00. in your view is it primarily due to the real deal the deliverables or is it primarily he is talent if not obsession for self marketing well i think it's a combination of both but there is a reality behind the numbers and considering that has been you know says b he became president he is dedicated to protecting the local manufacturers he's dedicated to creating new jobs he is making sure that the local market responds positively to his actions he understands how the business works because his came from the business world and most of the presidents or politicians that come to power. i would say like that experience they like being able to control and surprise a big corporation and you know a country could be treated as

a big corporation because you do monetize the taxes you distribute them and that balance creates a positive or a negative environment he has created a positive environment for the economy has created a positive environment for the economy but there's still a lot of people who hate him very very real and jealousy well is it really jealousy or is it really. something that he sounds or he does that well you know it's people obviously he is you know he's always very straightforward in you know sometimes i think he says things on an impulse and if you want it back you may be be more diplomatic about those things but the reality is he says what really is in his belief so you do get the the president that is very thorough very straightforward and most importantly what he says people are capable to understand because sometimes presidents use the language which you watch and you like. i don't even know what this is all about and in his case he makes it very

excessive both to people that maybe are not as. understanding of the economic code numbers trends and exciter so i think he. he deserves to be hated in the says that he's very straightforward but you know the polls of 63 percent are absolutely fantastic if you remember when he ran for president. those pools and especially the politicians all over the world would say trump as president is a joke and look where that was thinking everybody with all due respect the negatives his negatives as to what they are very hard but he turns them into positive because all the negativity i think that he has gotten during his election worked in his favor and he made it work in his favor because he was the most discussed the candid of the time because he was partially to hate it so much and because he was controversial which is something i want to ask you about because

a lot of people who have never met trump are aljunied by his public persona but a lot of people who had a chance to spend time with him one on one usually stress how relatable how human he is now if you had a few taiwanese with him what what struck you the most about the days that you spent with him in moscow. well 1st of all you know i like most of the people to me donald trump was the character from the home alone movie. where he surely knew from the simpsons also. he was the individual that. his persona reflects a super successful american businessman and that has always inspired me and when i met him i was very surprised positively how. humble he was with everyone around him people that he did know people that he just met he would take a picture he would never say no to anybody he was always curious about everything

good if you could possibly extract from you information wise you know if it's russia how are the prices for residential developments you know what is the average salary what are the trends where's the city developing in the center outskirts and . cetera et cetera so in a way. you know he completely lives up to his image when you meet him but on a personal note i would say that he is one of the. nicest. proper smart and quick people that are successful people that i've met my life interesting that you say that because i read a lot about him and in preparation for this conversation i also read a lot about you and what struck me is that you have somewhat similar biographies you both were born into wealthy families you both had to establish yourselves in the shadow of strong father figures you both have this restless and edgy doing

a 1000000 things at once i wonder if you have ever discussed what's this source of this incessant drive we haven't discussed the source but i'll tell you that. because mr trump is obviously a bit older than me and has much more experience i asked him i said how do you manage you know business and show business because how does one has to benefit the other and is that listen the more success you pick up public publicly in show business the better it will help your business and you know since i met him it's been 78 years ago and i've applied that formular. even more. precisely to everything of doing business and it's really working you know whether you open a developing the restaurant or you build a building an apartment building you know being the face of the building. and kind of promoting it in your social media today or just visiting it the recording you know the story is really positive the reflects on your business model it adds value

to what you do if people like you and believe you and i think you know he is he is the biggest inventor of that form i heard him say once that he learned from his father the value of every penny and he said specifically that the reason he turned out the way he did was because his father pushed him and in many of your interviews you stressed that you're had this issue with pocket money which drove you to start earning at a very young age that looks like a pattern for both of you you know this desire it's you earn more and more money and when the when these when it doesn't bring you that much value anymore because you have everything it always does like being in vicious with every next project your your ideas get bigger and obviously they become more costly so i'm always lacking funds to realize my dreams so that formula continues to to work but if you

reflect on my childhood yes lack of pocket money a lack of money in general has always been very good. igniter to actually go. get a job and think maybe i don't want to work for $5.00 an hour maybe i want to figure out a way to do to do it quicker faster in my kids that was a b. i became a power so anybody you know trading everything and. it does work and i want to apply to my children as well but if you take it further back i grew up in the soviet times i was born in 1979 and until 1994 the 1st 10 years of my life pretty much it was soviet union and everybody lived the same so in a way i don't come in the city from wealthy family my father started building his wealth when i was already you know 1213 years old and he sent me to study abroad but yes he always pushed me and i'm grateful that he did the pushchair oh own songs in the same way. i wish i would it's hard. they're born into to i

guess wealthy families. and i'm always finding an edge to do it but so far i have not succeeded i read somewhere that you know i know what a big fan of reading there is mr trump by the way but i wonder if you had a chance not here is my father. but. i'm pretty sure that you're actually a rather. art of the deal they do i read i think the art of the comeback. when i was in college in america and you know i have to say that. you know everything he has done in his business life before he became president has always been taking his entire wealth and his entire business. to the edge where he's ready to risk everything for his next big idea but because he

believed in every next big idea he found a way to come back every time he had a problem financing or refinancing do you think he is now risking america for his grave because i don't think so i think the way america is structured you cannot really a president cannot really risk the country to the extent he can risk a company when he's a at the top of this company today maybe he's risking the economical. growth but so far those risks really paid off because that growth is hard to see in such a short period of time and i think the people in america that live there including you know my mom and sister who are you know americans now with american passports and months just has been living there since she was born pretty much. and they really get the benefit of the results of his work which is great. to come back to his book art of the deal is in that book he guess 11 negotiating tips including protecting your downside and anticipating the worst specifically says that if you

can leave with a worse the good will take care of itself and i wonder if you think that he has applied his own advice to his presidency because surely he couldn't have anticipated the what he has why there is so far from the miller investigation to the impeachment saga well i do think you know what is dissipating the worst is being realistic you go hoping for the best knowing that these are this is where you stand and if you you're not lucky in any way under those negotiations this is your bottom and it cannot get any worse hopefully and i think gee. during his. presidency all the obstacles and i think his presidency has been unfair towards him because you know the press and the media you know everybody reflects on all the negatives and we rarely hear and see what that humans that he has done and bust through while he's pretty good you know advertising down here these guys hold them

in marketing p.r. skills so they can sell the idea that's true. but you know that the miller in the investigation and the impeachment. in whatever way he could he took all the positives but in the end you know he has been winning and winning and winning every battle he had had with the more investigation with the media with all the fake news and all the allegations that he has gotten you would think that anybody has you know skeletons in his closet if he had them we would already have seen them because you know he's been probably the most studied presidential figure in the history of the united states that stairwell nisargadatta for have to take a very short break now but we will be back in just a few moments statement. thinking

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of care for dogs bred in commercial breeding for so many most of that opposition is coming from huge agricultural groups and industries that have nothing to do with jobs don't buy dogs. the world is driven by dreamers shaped by one person those with. the dairy thinks. we dare to ask. and.

welcome back to worlds apart with singer and proprietor and former business associate of donald trump and when i go out of this cargo out of before the break ray and mention the miller investigation which you have fallen to yourself ride in the midst of after using your family connections to set up the now infamous trump town meeting that's been donji near to russia lower and that's how it was so let's get behind side do you think this whole thing was. handled africa. on the your side on my side. 100 percent it was handled ethically. simply for the reason that i was always ready to testify and you know having my lawyer that had communication with the moon investigations prior to my previous tour in the united states we reached out and the d.s.m. is coming to another states that's me and i allocated 2 weeks for my tour which was a fantastic sold out toward the time which has not happened yet and 2 weeks i've

allocated to you know testify to congress to the movie speed pool and to whoever wanted to speak to me about this whole set up what we received as a reply is that. my only negotiation. aspect was that i want to do it voluntarily so i don't have to get stuck in the united states until the investigation completely you know talking about the consequences of that whole controversy rusty about and i'm asking about specifically about the letter that your former publicist rob goldstone wrote to the trump family in which he lie about missing its gas connection to the russian government he invented a whole fictional ministry the crown prosecutor of russia which supposedly had some official documents and information that with incriminate hillary and he later admitted to puffing up that letter but i wonder if you find that level of puffery

acceptable is that how you operate is that how your employees operate you know in doing whatever it takes to accomplish your task. i'll give you my take on. goldstone was my former manager although he did start working with me as my p.r. manager and he you know took the job of being a manager and every time we tried to you know when we were to go shooting creating a miss universe contest together with the trump organization you know every email that we wrote to each other you know asking for things. that would be this will be the biggest event ever in russia this will be watched by every single person in the world so the does rob does have this character of puffing things up if he wants to get them done although he had not pursued any agenda his only. point was to create that meeting very important really puffery or is it straight out lying because i mean such minister doesn't exist in russia nobody as far as i know from your previous interviews actually offered to you in the incriminating

information on hillary clinton whose idea was it to sell it as an all for it's you provide dirt on her well the way the story goes. cold rob and i said listen these people in russia my father has asked for me to create a meeting i don't want to bother with it figure this out make sure it happens that's it so rob went out and rode the mail and the meeting did happen which was the most pointless meeting on the planet happy that it did although i actually don't care if it did or not because i had no interest i know that rob had no interest for this meeting he was only trying to act upon my asking to create a meeting the people that went for the meeting oversee had their own agenda but as far as i know half of the trumps camp who attended this meeting left because they found it interesting and the other half were state state for another 5 minutes of thank you very much with the defamer to amman because he's asked for this meeting to happen it happened goodbye goodbye or mr go have let me add some just so we all

understand this has been the most highlighted meeting i've created in my life but i create these meetings for different people you know i have a partner mr noble months he said robert de niro and steven seagal famous people and if anybody knows in the industry show business or business that you were acquainted to somebody that big and maybe they have something to offer something to us they called you and say can you remember that it's not just about using a personal connections everybody does it i had to that as well but actually relying on mr a presentation and grant misrepresentation of reality to make that happen do you have a problem on a personal level do you have an ethical problem with that because it's not only that you want your problem and hope it got our whole country into trouble i think is the media i mean what. what's the trouble you know what is natural making out a fictional ministry and saying that that ministry has some dirt official documents on the potential contender for presidency in the united states in the hot sun

that's a major issue many americans didn't take it lightly i know they didn't but it's not something i said or wrote was was it mr goldstein's invention do you know where that came from the idea it's your baggage that this is for for the email came from my conversation with a group i cannot recollect exactly the words i said listen make it sound important make sure it happens that's what it probably was thank you for being transparent and that. one thing that we know from miller investigation is that mr trump was indeed surrounded by a lot of people who so no qualms about slightly twisting their reality to make themselves appear a little bit more important than they were and you know i interviewed a number of them i know that for sure is that the nature of real estate business is that sort of predisposes people do that kind of self marketing i think it's a very personal prerogative we all want to represent ourselves as we do in my case and there you go i am what i am regardless what i speak to you or my business

partners were the stage speaking to my friends i tried to be the same this way i don't need to put a mask on when i change my habits i think mr trump has always been in the same kind of area where you know he is the same president as he was a businessman and he is to me he reflects the same when i was personally speaking to him in terms of other people it's hard to say some people do have complexes where they're trying to be more important than they really are i cannot say that one of them and certainly paid the price for that misrepresentation whoever a. responsible for it that you had to cancel your tour last year and you haven't let me finish. the story about the millers of that is where i asked for voluntary testimony and the miller's team replied that it can only be mandatory which would mean i would have to stay in the united states that the investigation finishes

which at the point was over a year in progress so i thought the main reason for why you care was the only reason because of what he wanted us to gain because i had another 110 shows that year that i would have to risk because i'm stuck in the states and these are major financial risks as well so all i canceled was the american tour which cost me about half a 1000000 dollars in personal losses but we did return on the tickets and now we are heading for the store again before i ask a bout that let me ask you one more question that interests me a lot your had some consequences on the american side but i wonder if you also think are there any troubles on the russian side have you had any russian government agents being 3 of the crown prosecutor or somebody else coming to you and telling you that you know that kind of communication on their behalf is no advise about not whatsoever. i think the whole story in russia because

you view it from the you know prism of american or european media in russia everybody took it as a joke whatever meeting i could have possibly created being a russian singer and developer which could in any way. influence the american election the russian people found it quite funny at the time and you know if the presentation would be not just on us but it would be realistic people in america would really understand that if you know president putin or anybody in power in russia wanted to pass on dirt on hillary or a message they would not use a russian singer through his manager through a secretary through an assistant to get to donald trump jr mr geller out. you know it's human nature when you are really afraid of something you tend to project and concocting most outrageous things and i think that's happening to the united states at the moment because many people are indeed shocked to have don't trump as

president that's their short but i think everybody should be realistic if there's you know this whole spy thing going on between russian america i would not be involved my manager music manager would not be involved in the my by the way was a manager for michael jackson as well that's another 20 years ago. as a great guy i'm very you know it's very unfortunate that he got caught up in this in the middle of this i know he wrote a book on the subject how an e-mail trump my life. and i read the book and it actually has all the facts in there so i recommend anybody who is interested in the topic of the meeting how it happened just go get the book and. let's talk about your tour as well because i heard that you. love of the venues actually refused your whole concerts how do you take it how to explain it. well considering i own 2 music venues in moscow and i think it's quite silly because you know if if

art and music should have no boundaries. i wouldn't say that it's i don't consider it normal for the managers or owners of these venues to refuse anyone who's organized any meeting for anybody to refuse them to perform but you know there were other venues that were happy to take us better venues bigger venues so we're going for our sold out tour and in the states in less than a couple weeks good luck with that they are. often say that music and politics shouldn't been mixed and yet you sometimes do it yourself you have to video this in a way which donald trump feature is one rail one fictional and the latter in particular is based on trance political exploits near it one feature of the character of stormy danielle in it. i'm not sure if you would find all that humorous why do you or indeed draw the line it's been art music and politics well what happened during the moves investigation my lawyer has recommended for me not

to discuss any accusations in my address with anyone press friends so i was kind of speechless on the subject for over a year which is very annoying and the only way to actually answer and underline my thoughts on the subject was to put it in the music video you know me passing secret documents on who is to donald trump supplying prostitutes in the hotel stormy dinos . facebook whatever was hillary clinton hillary clinton whatever came my way we just put it in one video and we thought it's 1st so it's very truthful in the sense that everything that we filmed and tried to present is so outrageous if you watch the video just as outrageous as the acquisitions that came my way so there was that it was just humor nothing serious do you think mr trump himself what my. you used him as to use your phrase an instrument of exposure. i thought about this i thought about it the knowing mr

trump i think you put a smile on his face oh i know that you haven't communicated with his family ever since do you plan to bring you that contact no answer or are you going to lend because i don't want to put them in the position where my. communication coming from me you know reaching out to his son or daughter or the other son or himself personally you know again it would come up and some investigation in the future and i'd be another spy who supplied a secret documents on something else during my concert in new york maybe or l.a. and i just want to put them in that position because i really respect the family all the members. i wish mr trump the best of luck in his most important difficult job on the planet being president of the country star. it's been a great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for your time and for your kind

of there thank you and thank you for watching i hope to see i gather next sunday here on worlds apart. the world is driven by dreamers shaped by those great.

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