1st to one of britain's biggest foreign weapons sales on as yemen site of the world's worst humanitarian crisis joining me via skype from shows recalls that in germany is yemen's woman human rights minister oriya my sure thanks so much area for coming on britain has been found here to have been acting unlawfully selling weapons for use in yemen what is the scale of the world's worst humanitarian crisis do you think. saratov thank you it was for her. program thank you for her of the notes this is not those are surprises this is how we have got the software where it is that being can all the new man. step 5 year of costly and one on him and i think you're probably one of these cats that all fades calling. when people don't have a. system. and it's a 4 day order and i guess. let me add this in and of course this is

up there and because of the 'd war it is going to last. cut it off if we aren't going to all be is maybe we can see the result that it will be a good deal of thought it was in unfortunately that is. what was the war 'd. affected from this water ship then and although. most of the women. there are a. household. that need it and there is not the air maybe their front line is or are dead and i think many people many people will agree tried tens of millions are facing disaster but if it was president how do you who are appointed you you mentioned 5 years how

the fled the country to other countries saudi arabia which is bombing with with british weapons yemen isn't how the the problem here we can not see that in fact from 200-2000 their event will start and therefore at the end and we were in national enquirer for every good order. there were there in this mission of. course there's. the outcomes of the mission of this it is consensus and all of those where in that nationality or about of office has signed on the outcomes of all of this that you know of and they have to be equal if it were that they have to. they are now and that will seize and the editor and is. there going to the club this is the broccoli. then. this is i think there

is all of it. that we don't have a lot of or. politico but it was president how do you appointed you you don't agree with him now on the use of drone strikes which president hadi does in fact even the saudis tokyo mamak the run the arab coalition in london last week he said there have to be investigations into saudi war crimes. is hardly the problem is it time now for the united nations to abandon putting hardie back in power in yemen they cannot accuse the had no now we have many she asked and we have to get the government which it will do as a the interest only community when we have tools we have to all stand and not to have brought out the end not. of course but anyway if we want to choose we will

choose that's because this beer is. under law is on closer to certain yeah but that of the militias they're against the law and out of the law this is the problem yeah. and we accepted how the anti we are now better the election until we. found a friend on on the constitution and. then around their new election we have in another few got another president to see and elaborate in but i want to know what no one is going to vote no one is going to vote for hardly in a yemeni general election given how he was in saudi arabia the country that is bombing yemen. yes how they asked are they out of gear to support the head here tool restored by what i had to

go back to. that i don't see. that anywhere it takes a long look and it declares taken 5 years and and so many people that we have have been killed what it would have you made of the trumpet ministration which says and it gave 7 $146000000.00 in aid just in 2019 it's saying we're not going to give any more aid because some of it goes to hooty communities poor hoody communities britain as well if it's saying no more aid maybe it's given . hundreds of millions of pounds of aid what do you make of the united states and britain saying no more aid to yemen. really this news it is shocking because it now you know when in very bad need for assistance for that it's sort of they initiated a community but anyway this is also it is a lot that latch. on what's really. become what should be there that

they have thought that is this if. if that. but anyway i think also that is that is shocking when we when i have. a leak they. are serious and they are not. the problem in a man. and when they got off the aids issue he dealt that is really shocking. it is there's a lot of i mean it's that we're hearing like this and yours well you know the trump says because iran they're allied to the hoodies that's why he can't give money that goes to poor women and children in hootie communities in yemen. we know what that was. misused. it's not the united nation as it is this if you will this it's there it's

a part of their. efforts. that there is that many problems but anywhere so we are sticking above that my duty but they have to be politically needful of these headed. we have to reach that get it could all. just on targeting there was a party here in london very expensive party of grosvenor house people from the b.b.c. of spoken there and they arms company party lobbying party britain earned 6200000000 pounds in weapons licenses since 2015 and that's what oxfam says do you think britain and the united states they see yemen as a place to earn money from the killing more than to give a to the people suffering the killing. we hope we hope that the. international there are going to see a show and especially the laws are working on

a process. that will stop the living on a ceiling that eyewitnesses to the laws involved in a war in a man and i say i should actually say it was actually 770000000 pounds of aid from the british taxpayer to yemen and britain says to me the arms sales are good arms sales we have a good arm sales policy here in britain when we send weapons that are bombing your country. we hope we hope that their god and. buy out of this many bad of these. people for. the amount because we need a lot of. a lot of money to let it be. i mean that helps that it is the question of the air or answer. to. this. and that's why we want them to all clear that fire

and to be there and not tool. and what and what what if you don't expect to be going to yemen any time soon i hope that we can get it off there this is us and we'll be back to that in my country it'll all be there. with the women we added. actually we added. that it in it and we had a we made for on a friend. a political background and many of as also there and in the been there all of that and we're working on that peace process and what we are going to do all after the war what impact should i ask i said the britain. and 8 times more from weapons sales than aid trump is saying no more aid maybe to yemen. saudi arabia do you think saudi arabia is going to cut aid as well obviously saudi arabia

has been spending money on british weapons. you mean. i think they are committed to their head the amount of support to find out that a mission with saudi arabia is historic. and we have been mia mini's before the floor of the war we have many and many is many immigrants is not. there it is. the relationship between so. there will be equal we know they have fallen dish and. but that's not what journalists say on the ground journalists on the ground say there is a hatred of saudi arabia which is why they bombed around go from yemen the saudi oil facilities but ladies and i literally was there and also the board of that u.n. i expect. not to do that that will seize it don't

have. the abilities. yet to tighten it. i mean it is fighting with the static fight away from their abilities as it was started by. my county maybe. but not there but lots of that goes. away from him and this saturday ok iran completely denies that area musher thank you thank you after the break. riots music with boris johnson pushing for tougher sentences cracking down on leftwing voices and deporting people of color has anything really changed in the past 100 years of british history we all scored winning alto saxophonist so we took him choose a new album the black apparel explores the legacy of $9.00 to $19.00 a ball coming up about to a going underground. what

hope to. put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be present. for something i want. to go right to the process was a while before 3 of the more people. i'm interested always in the wires in the house. question. i can't show you my face but i'm going to teach you must door in 9093 this man was sentenced to death. they could charge kenny with capital murder even though he didn't have the gun didn't pull the trigger didn't intend to kill anybody imagine living in your bathroom at the beach with the scent of

a $23.00. confined within 4 gray walls he fights using. turned on to help him to leave death row. welcome back in part one we heard about the world's worst humanitarian crisis which continues to involve boris johnson's government back home and only in power few months johnson has been assailed by critics and campaign groups for perceived tory injustices from deportation of the british people of color to regressive law and order policies to the prescribing of progressive groups as terrorist threats the black peril and you all but my multi mobile award winning sex office so i took in she looks to the politics of 1919 to fight the establishment of 2020 joins me now it's a way to thanks but i don't have a go and i'm going to get on to the album in a 2nd but the labor leadership debate on television here in britain jeremy corbyn

outgoing said it was a case of a young white boy with blond hair related dabbled in class a drugs and conspired with a friend to beat up a journalist would they deport that boy or is it one rule for young black boys born in the caribbean and another for white boys born in the us. so it's fired in the leader like that the debate it's just a few days out but i love the fact this is free wheeling shooting from the hip 2015 jeremy unfettered you'll have to explain to the audience how we can say that boris johnson in any way presumably the guy would want to dabbled in class a drugs conspired with a friend to beat up a journalist i mean this is defamation of our prime minister says the beautiful thing the sort of himself has said it michael gove himself the half of the front bench of admitted dabbling in class a drugs lost at university was disease this is the german corbin that we wanted to see more of in the last election frankly and any leader of the labor party any socialist leader is going to have to be a lot more confrontational direct irreverent all those things that we're dealing

with in this clip a pretty ok but the government is saying that the deportations of people of color are nothing to do with race or plus course or is not to do with it just so happens that they're all jamaican and being sort of i mean this is the kind of poppycock gaslighting discussions of race from race that i think most people of color are being subjected to in the country as something so overtly and obviously racist that's a dog whistle to most of the country there's still a an error plus a bull deniability about. what we've got to deal with criminality we've got to deal with drug abuse etc when you put these things empirically together then you realize it really has nothing to do with criminality and it's more about signifying to the rest of the country that we represent the interests of a white majority and will do anything to ever voices people's people from countries that we don't agree with lane or the government will completely deny that and i

know i mean be feel free to talk about it in the context of 919 all those years ago but we have a more multi-colored cabinet than ever get ever had a situation like that and you're talking about racism as if it's in the days of margaret thatcher this is just it i think they like to keep us disc. cussing racism is really superficial most pantomime level and we've had 2 female prime ministers both of them tories and yet living standards for the majority of women the degree of equal pay is still an issue neither premiership did much to advance the interest of true feminism and the same is true with the most diverse cabinet that we've had in history but yet the most xenophobic and openly hostile towards immigrants and refugees and so it's a way of brown washing if you like black and brown washing was still empirically the most racist in the phobic and white supremacist cabinet that we've ever had in this country again the government would deny that nothing was said that you said was to administration that was in venice to resume not boris johnson or talk to an

old style of course and you have to i mean this might seem quite tender gentle here but what the klu klux klan where hoods they don't walk around with a badge saying a member of the klu klux klan and this is all about signification it's all about subtlety and about giving a nod to people who do have those white supremacist views that were on your side well of course in fact it was the blairite and the blair and labor body the broadly in the 20 or 7 x. gordon brown the labor prime minister brought in legislation that allows deportation of people of color in the 1st place so it was a labor prime minister in 1945 clement attlee who described west indian people people come from the colonies as an incursion so there's a long history of the labor party being complicit with tacit racism so i always want to get straight to the also and just tell me about the likely role of why it has something to do with 919 and how it tells us something in 22 went absolutely the black peril is based on a very real history of race riots that was called race riots that took place 100

years ago in 1019 from liverpool to glasgow cardiff south shields whole areas that i didn't expect enough black people to even have a race riot in my history book what's interesting to me about this moment in 2020 and how it relates to the. 100 years ago is that. juncture where the working classes seem to be gaining more traction more awareness of commonality of interception at sea when there is a credible challenge to the establishment racism is always funneled out into these communities to basically help people against their natural allies really get on to how you translate that to music that you're talking about protests then what did you make of it when that list propped up of extinction rebellion and all these different groups greenpeace and oh they're going see the terrorist groups on that piece of paper this is the march of creeping fascism really there's no other way to describe it to prescribe certain groups and thoughts as banned as errant is

absolutely a sliding scale towards authoritarian fascism. is no the way to call it frankly what i do think though is that they're also preparing the ground for spontaneous insurrection spontaneous rage everyone's just really angry you find this in the personal interactions you have of people in the train etc and i just for i do yes not just everyone is wired so i think it's important to draw attention to these instances because they can't at the racism the racist superstructure underneath it it's not that i have any beef with a coach driver or trade train driver but it's also to signify to everyone else going through those situations you're not crazy you're not imagining this heightening of racial tension between people and let's step back and analyze this psychosis white psychosis that's been called who's really benefiting from it and has been disadvantaged by it because it's my very strong contention that everybody

is being disadvantaged by white supremacy including the supposed white working class you know the way these issues are covered in corporate media which is it's all about the oscars and the bafta isn't this kind of thing simply you don't have much truck with the the key do. and it should be said malcolm x. never particularly addressed the oscar i don't know why that was are not mutually exclusive i think you can just as well have pink it or you know it was complaining about the lack of diversity but we should always type back to people that my good friend kinda andre is pointing out that there's a systemic and international racism that means that life outcomes you know infant mortality education housing these are the industries in which we can really measure racism and what racism really means is this because the class dimension is another superstructure which is why debate seems to just be confined to that didn't exist as a construct of people actually understood how engineer an artificial the whole thing

the whole history of race was then we'd naturally find allies with people that we identify with i want thing that i found really key throughout the last election campaign was how they could create a shorthand for just. venezuela a few of the buzz words and it seems to sum up everything that. we think of as anti british and. of course this country used to have and we're going to be as far as 919 but in the eighty's race today we had the coeditor leyla how on who said maybe diane abbott would never even been shattered secretary without a at least a magazine that was putting these in articulating these issues where they all gone and i believe. that we live in a far more atomized society than we have any point in my in my memory even at the time of the mine destroyed the poll tax riots you know i still remember. very active workingmen's clubs very active organizations for the unity and solidarity of

black and asian people students etc because the racism was so offensive and so clear you knew what the enemy was and the fact that you had to organize they had to be solidarity and collective action to overcome those things when out of the age where that ideal of anyone being able to make it on their own to pull themselves up by the bootstraps has filtered down and cross roots organizations and we no longer feel that need to have collective action and they are mindful of another fact and very pointed out to me that in 1919 marcus garvey had over 6000000 members of the u.n. i a with no facebook no instagram to speak of no phones widely but the conditions of oppression was so clear the material disadvantage was so obvious that we had to organize and i think now would be living under this delusion that things have somehow improved because we've had a black president a few black m.p.'s you know i should say the 9091 politics right actually brought

down. i have to say with the labor leadership going on here strong lisa nearly all these different candidates who weren't really great friends arguably of jeremy corbyn they will be emphasizing their anti racist and identity politics credentials to take over what corbin has created is the largest socialist movement in western europe i say this to many people have discussions about politics with really cut through all the rhetoric all of the ballast all of the. platitudes and what they're voting records what are their policies if you looked into the house that famous image of the vote in the house when the vote was going down around there when rush scandal just before it was even a scandal only 3 members of parliament turned up to vote against that bill and we know who they were die and john mcdonald in germany called in everybody. even david levy who i think is a fantastic voice against this injustice didn't vote against it when they had the

opportunity and that should tell us something really clear about who's that posture who likes the pope and who actually backs their words with action ok with so musically let's talk about the mids get on the album how we reflect take all the complexity and i have to say you probably do reflect it really well try musically how did you go about reflecting such implicit plex again music i mean any pretensions so accurately depicting all the forms of black music that were around a 100 years ago would have been potential but i was very inspired by the research that i did there would about read music that you wrote lead right music that in some instances i was reconstructing historical music with write music specifically as a piece i wanted to chinle ringback in energy a feeling of terror and excitement that black music has given us historically and still gives us today i find whether it's drill jungle our you know double bass

grime all these forms of music that we've innovated here in the u.k. . there's both this powerful revulsion and tara that we seem to enjoy and oh my gosh the young generation to losing their way to the metropolitan police is interested in july music this is the 1st time in recorded history. had a song banned and were banned from performing it so that's a worrying precedent prescribing certain forms of music and not others but also we're fascinated by black culture we who want to emulate and i think is this tension in britain that we love your reggae love your carnival and love everything about you but you think that you think you're going to drill minister for mayor of london for that lead me into a minister need to be building we've discussed it we've talked up a little bit another thing the great friend of mine in music pioneer carter was pointed out. you know black liberation figures are often global liberation figures because they say if you. a muslim suppose that hierarchy can liberate yourselves emancipate yourselves then we all can. thank you thank you and so waiters album the

black peril is out now and in a moment he'll play us out with riots music from the album will be back on wednesday ahead of the nevada democratic presidential caucus to talk d.n.c. voter electoral fraud with the diana vote at justice greg lasted till then keep in touch via social media here's a way to kids with rights music. this is. the most trying to straddle about is what about is not just kind of.

trying to have his democrats held up with. it's not excited about is this going to . look. pretty on the. rights of the piece it. won't. want to. talk. to a standstill how they still stand and how do you. how do they. probably will to. fight a. seat. on. the full. senate seat.

it's close in the caucus this noise of the office of the father was terrifying to you. this is called a 6 also to see. the pretty. strong. statement that the old appearance of it to be the peasantry oppressed. 27 feet. 7 feet tall and i believe that. was the right. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy. let it be

an arms race is on all sides clearly dramatic development only mostly i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. there's nobody you would know the moon but in your circles modesty. and you can move forward too much with the group lose a little with the minute you get in there and when you. look. at. the white english sort of produce your order in the eastern seaboard nobody you know made it seems interesting. did he did. that.

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