ross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow glenn days and he is a professor at the higher school of economics as well as author of video of western civilization and resurgence of brochure we also have dimitri bobbitt she's a political analyst and editor and me internet media project and in athens we're joined by alex peterborough he's the director and writer for the duran dot com or across the uk rules in effect that means you can jump in there when you want and i always appreciate it let's talk about munich the the end you will security conference there every year something very interesting comes out western media doesn't really cover it very much and if they do they don't do it very well. a term i came across would never come across as west ness what does that mean being a european or west listen this is referring to the minister all of the west so it comes from 2 reasons one is within the west it's fragmenting and becoming more divided and of course then you have the external challenge just by a new powers arising taking away the primacy of the west so again this is. this is

what i mean is it is we looking at a binary of values in power i think it's i think it's both because when the west exit of the cold war it was immensely powerful the main reason is not just material wealth but also how their moral purpose it had a mission that was you know liberalism had won they were going to spread this around the world essentially. thing is to remake the world around the west so that again this is also what i define the west which is why it's now you're running into some problems because if this is not the mission of the west or what is the west coast we see now the material wealth is going but also decide the ology of you know taking liberalism to the extreme is now proving to have a very bad effects both internally within the west but also creating very bad relations with external powers and they don't seem to connect that these 2 are very much related. and where that where the causes are limited hours here in athens i mean one of the things i. quite fascinating in running up to the security

conference in munich is that in this term of west listeners it's should be a criticism of neo liberalism that's what's destroying the west and that's what is threatening the world i mean the lack of reflection on the part of these people it's just a stone being to me they are the problem and once they're fixed then they in europe can actually find its own footing its own identity instead of having it forced down its throat this her rip it ideology that people are protesting left and right and center briggs that is the best example go ahead. you have there the problem is russia is in a peter rabbit. restless and this is yeah in china now as well but west listen this is what the west is doing to itself you're exactly right i mean west listeners it's this neo liberal policy that we've all been living under it's the mass immigration it's the destruction of religion the structure of family the censorship the woken the identity politics this is all coming from the neo

liberal west west listening is the neo liberal west destroying itself but like you said peter it's russia's fault it's china's fault everyone else's fault that's what's this this is what they're doing to themselves they're they're destroying their own society that they have built and they're doing it in an incredible unbelievable fashion you know what i find really and standing you know alice cooper used the word walk this welcome is here but you know there's no risk reflection on the part of these elites and say much of the world would like to have traditional western values in their own lives on hold to ok they strive for it and the west is actually committing a self a form of political and cultural suicide i think that is the rest of the world envied what would be traditional european values explaining it to him and doing that all the person. well i mean who is concerned the wall without the west

german president you know mr. well let me remind you of that it was mr started miles who was supposed to guarantee they dream an between the ukrainian opposition and president jiang to quote you on that 20th of february 2014 and their position just one that had an old kid in policeman burning their. body and we had this coup d'etat in ukraine and we started my didn't say worked people from their position basically breaching this agreement and then in 2 years mr poroshenko said we just lost these documents that mr bush started my government you to come find it then you were in my in my office so and this man is now bad enough that you asked china and russia make of the world more dangerous and he is saying that me just quote that germany is prepared to

become more involved including militarily when i read it my 1st reaction was in drone and 9 domke at north militarily please you know you already bought in of all military unit yugoslavia for the 1st time since 945 german soldiers were on the foreign oil in yugoslavia in 1999 you were gold involved in afghanistan militarily stalled doing it you know what we need is the last of you would not moreover. if i had a question you really want to jump in so i'm going to go i don't. want to go just woken up because that's an important aspect because the problem now under this new law a new liberal policy is the reason is destroying the west is also alec's of the mcwhirter others because neither the political left or the right can do what they want their actual political objectives are on the left they want to redistribute wealth on the right they want to preserve traditional values and reproduce community however what people now notice after 30 years they're starting to realise well why do we have this growing economic inequality. also why will this mass immigration we come from

produce traditional communities why do we have to have multiculturalism what country unite under common national culture but now they're noticing if you won't like how did this political system coming place who authorized it and now that they're trying to complain they're actually told well how they're you know you're challenging our core liberal values on who who are you to complain your 1000 or a man but you are but here whose values are these are values of the leats that never suffered the consequences of their policies and you know that that that's what it noised me so much if you go back to alex here alex you know one of the things i find really you know. the populists in all this you know these people are dissenting and that is a right to dissent ok that is a western ideal value and i dissent all of the time but if you dissenting europe then somehow you're a deviation is you're you're you're creating problems you're you're breaking within our norms ok no the norms were decided by somebody else not by the people go ahead

alex yeah i mean the real title of this conference peter should be an attack on the nation state an attack on sovereignty it's an attack on nationalism we saw it took gregg's it took the u.k. and brags it 3 years to finally get out we're seeing now that they're about to put salvini in prison in italy to stop him from gaining power and winning in a democratic fashion this is what this caucus is all about they'd all what people to feel like they're a part of their country of their nation and so we're going to do is begin to poll lula on him right you know lock him up and there is and the funny part about all of this we all saw the scandinavian airlines commercial did we not that is a perfect example of how they feel about themselves that commercial that hit you tube and hit the airwaves and was criticized by everybody in scandinavia because they felt absolutely disgusted at the fact that the national carrier the national carrier was not proud of their own people their own culture their own merits. that

is what is going on here that's what this comet is about is about destroying europe it's about destroying what the west was all these decades you know glenn you know any great civilization collapse when it loses faith in itself in this is essentially what's happening here it's as if you know you know their their ideology is failing that means the people must be wrong and the people must be educated in reeducated until the accept these values until they're grafted on and that's not going to happen that's why we have dissent in europe. and that's why this liberal internationalist movement very much they are undemocratic liberals that is they push their liberalism but doesn't have the liberal liberals. the liberals the people are opposing them the populists there are rather democratic. liberal democrats so there are looking to challenges but it's but it's also interesting this destruction of the state which is

a nation as well which is why you don't see russia buying this either because they already went through this to have the marxist remarks at the same to say the nation state is nonsense your national culture is nonsense your religion is nonsense let's just you know transmission of this and create this wonderful communist man or a man who is elevate the beyond just possibly on community based on anything else but the credit values and human rights to some and you know it turned out to be even more care was a horrible thing and now they're trying to recreate the community. to see especially doing the same thing to after they've fractured it so much ok they want to see if they can put it back together again no i don't give these people a 2nd chance fema go ahead you know i agree with the glare and this is basically it that it terry and there are many things that make it you can. also do what they did terry and nationalist i did argue or just let me remind you of some of the warts that these people you know that they quote pariah. state failed state you

know not normal state and what the way here at this conference from the french president could be due to europe of 2 moral oh no you cannot be controlled by the united states all of our structure infrastructure our ports can all be old by the chinese and our computer networks can all be under russian pressure and a quote what is it if not xenu for just beauty. zinfandel you do you can how big you can't be xena vocal big and then pursue globalist policy only make up your mind or go do one with these people you can because what they do is please notice they lash out at so-called populists and so called nationalists you know when these people say you know we want basically our culture preserved but these people are very pretentious for russia china any big

country that can rival they are globalist project you know potentially can rival it and the gist of this conference was how bad these populists are and they're just ready to come out and look at their article on our website existential angst over westerners by and when you see what she says that populist party is have rising up in the aftermarket of the mess made by the liberal international order goods that's exactly ok we're going to go to a short break and do that job or it will continue our discussion is a real new state with r.t. it's very. sad.

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ok let's go back to alex and thins well let's talk about the dual dual justice system in america roger stone could die in jail i'm pretty sure he's going to get pardoned but andy mccabe will continue with his high paying job at c.n.n. and they have something in common alex they're both were charged or it was proven that both of them lied but one lives the good life one's going to rot in prison do it justice. yeah this was you know this was no coincidence that the mccabe news was announced right after the roger stone thing went down i think that it's all out war in the justice department peter there's no doubt about it and i think actually now going after bar we were talking about the democrats saying that they now want bar impeached getting rid of barr once again stops the russia gate investigation stops his durban best occasion into investigating the investigators we know that

durham is widening the net and he's closing in he's brand in he's komi it's really ramping up the durham investigation and i think there is real panic in d.c. these real panic on the democrat side real panic from the state and so i think this whole mccabe thing this whole stone thing is a way to get at bar and try to get you out of it that's all you know it's really interesting is that you know they want there it looks like they want to impeach barr i mean these the mill left isn't very nuanced anymore you know when you see it when when you're really worried when you panic impeach ok. this is got going this is gone down i mean you can find fewer is probably the one of the best issues that shows the difference in the media culture in the united states about roger stone i know a lot about roger stone and i think alex would agree with me he's a political prankster he's an operator he's a braggart i mean he thinks

a lot of roger stone all of us that have watched politics over the years from the conservatives i know all about roger stone all right and he's not a danger to society nor to himself all right but he's been turned into a poster child they need they need to put him in jail because that will vindicate the russia gate hoax that's why they wanted to go ahead and i think this is a one of the big dangerous united states polarising which is in the one's interest now that it's the left or right. drifted so far apart you see this spilling over into the judicial branch as well so yes we see many cases of this before if we come back to the covenant hearings for example that was. disgraceful in terms of how politics is now and this coming from both sides. but probably more in the hole from the left because they also see it because it was a sentence for lying but if you look on the if you look at people of john brennan

and you had. all of this were caught lying under testimony and what happened what they know they now have high paying jobs. sitting on different left wing t.v. channels and not just from c.n.n. time as a missy so it is it seems slightly selective that they would only go after roger stone and of course this trial was also a bit absurd i mean that's a bar point out there the head of the jury foreman your force or foreman there she was fiercely. hated roger stone who was even tweedy could be very open about it so. you know usually that would lead to a mistrial or something but it's the best point you brought up to really like this . here is that. when you have the justice department so overtly politicized you're in you're in a bad place you're live very place here in what's more so is that you have half the

country enraged by this and when you have the liberal news outlets praising the mccabe's in villainize seeing the roger stones of the world that you're playing with dynamite well it's not the only example i mean look at these so-called whistle wars this is not a good mother good point absolutely there is this alexander we didn't need anyone expect him to have a new trial but we don't know when he came out with this statement that you know papers were a lie. in the eyes in prison he was a hero and his family will split on the protection order military ways. compare it to what happened to julian assange to compare it to what happened to and with snowden and it's not only internationally see nannied is. still absolutely it's still it's still it's not only the united states. peter problems you know this is a guy who knew what his internet that was to the red square was lionized by the

western media when he acted in russia no 1st he was put in jail when he was set on fire the bank of france you can set on fire there for us in moscow but don't do it to the bengal frogs no he was put in jail for the 2nd time because he exposed skin did it for that matter paris and how did they do it suddenly all the french newspapers remembered that he was challenged by putin for doing something bad to an actress in russia 2 years ago they said it was a cold you know it was slanderous you know which it was just trying to put probably in ski in jail now with i remember it because of the need to put a human shield in you that pretext basically they followed on pretext that there was a brawl bald more than a month ago will suddenly they remember that and they this was used as an excuse for arresting him but they will be arrested him off the prime minister of france and off to the ministry of interior said that these so-called artist was bat.

pardon is in the cards i think for sure ok i don't know about manner for i think that for roger stone it's quite appropriate in his going has already pointed out that the trial was less than pristine here it's time to wrap this up to people say rumpel pay a political cost he's already paying that cost every single day i see 0 downside for him to do it go ahead. and i think you'll actually wait till after the elections when. when he does it where i think he's position now to win in a landslide peter i think bringing up manifold is actually really good because outside of the cape stone issue it was the same judge that was there in the manner for it case and let's not forget who matter ford worked with and i mean literally worked away have picked out a stone rather going around free exactly exactly such another example of the dual justice system i mean these guys literally work together in ukraine one guy's in

prison one guys running around europe visiting museums buying expensive are drinking wine all kinds of things so that's a do it justice system there trump is going to win in a landslide the dems are panicking the swap is panicking bernie is attacking them from the left they're trying to deal with bernie as well and trying to knock him out as well and smearing am and who are they now propping up peter bloomberg who's going to be bloomberg running mate hillary hillary clinton. and both it is a hero by the way brad pitt is making speeches at the oscars about how bolton's a hero we clowned world. probably it will be michael bloomberg and jeff bezos a good beat you know that's that's the logical and you know i mean i think the you know i think the heartland the red states they're going to draw the obvious conclusion that. the d.n.c. rate did influence favor through technical means and strategies but this time

around they're just going to buy it ok they're going to tempted just to buy the election here and we're going to do it quite openly with you know with a straight face because it's for the greater good ok how is it good how is you know it's always the left you know that we hear is that they're the ones that are great protectors of democracy you know they're the ones that are shredding it if you can't win by the election they're telling people and people on the left think that's a right you should do that this is really hurting institutions and the ethos of democracy about this is. this are the on the mic. radical liberals fighting against democratic. liberal this. is all this is all sort of if you want to come up with a recipe how for democrats to lose you know that this would pretty much be a dog bring hillary clinton with bill in there and talk to them all this year only being a frontrunner which is bernie sanders. and it's just been

a weapon. just go off the pitch. what else could you possibly do in order to ensure the trumps going to win then again i don't think it's a very good precedent in the many many ways so i think i would like to see some months of a much better caliber of their vote. but again i just look at guys like cartoon character. i mean it's these people are liberal liberals they like to talk about impunity you know you don't want to put sanctions on russia it's going to be a unity well they did it cool. again she did it to gain you know the d.n.c. is doing it again to send this the 2nd time when they're all the same outlets are used and no one is punished this is impunity you know we're talking of all the lies you know we're talking about just told. people about weapons of mass destruction in iraq

a new one of them get by and it is because of these people that for far you look at where you're going to see the financial crisis of 2008 who got punished for that separate the middle class and for the same in a general information. basically there was a lot of wrong information it was what let me go back to alex we're going to rapidly running out of time here i mean it just a number of issues we've talked in this part of the program it really shows how everything is the tinderbox right now because it's patently obvious that people are using power in i will this all. say it in a moral way is for their own betterment here i mean the mccain. comparison is so galling and it's so obvious to so many people go ahead alex. yeah i mean it's also obvious to bars in a bar had to go outside of the d.o.j. to figure out what happened with michael flynn that's how much free the bar has in his own justice department which i think everyone now is starting to realize is

falling apart it's infested infested with partisanship with swamp creatures as trump would call them and we're looking at all out war barges and even trust his own justice department to deal with flynn and now he's trying to deal with stone meanwhile we have mccabe walking around free we have lisa page tweeting out pics drinking wine saying congrats andy or whatever she said i mean it's right in front of our base here but now it's. just the last few seconds here i think we have to say in all fairness trump isn't helping bar out by his random tweets there and you know going in there should be more of a united front there let bar do his job bar said 20 seconds go i've already said it far said it ok real quick well i think that basically a bar it's very interesting what the we've here you know the democrats are taking him for basically openly pointing out what's in his ideas on religion which were conservative and for doing his job well he what he doing. already is pretty much

nothing more is being used as a sarah get to go after trump it's really quite obvious argument it's all the time we have here many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in athens and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are the remember last nationals. what do you show. they put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president and you. want to. have to go to be press as a white woman for 3 of them or can't be good. i'm interested in the water power.

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