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political. and welcome to crossfire where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle in munich and world leaders discuss west listeners instead they should be contemplating the end of neoliberalism also stone cold justice is there a dual justice system in america. talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here i'm also going to use a professor at the higher school of economics as well as author of the u.k. of western civilization and resurgence of the. sure we also have dimitri bobbitt

she is a political analyst and editor and me internet media project and in athens we're joined by alex reporter he's the director and writer for the duran dot com or across the uk rules in effect that means you can jump in there when you want and i always appreciate it let's talk about munich the the end you will security conference there every year something very interesting comes out western media doesn't really cover it very much and if they do they don't do it very well. a term i came across would never come across as west ness what does that mean being a european or west listen this is referring to the minister all of the west so it comes from 2 reasons one is within the west it's fragmenting and becoming more divided and of course then you have the external challenge just by a new powers rising taking away the primacy of the west so again this is. this is what i mean is it is we looking at a binary of values in power i think it's i think it's both because when the west

acts of the cold war it will cement slim powerful the main reason is not just material wealth but also how their moral purpose it had a mission that was you know liberalism had won they were going to spread this around the world essentially. thing is to remake the world around the west so that again this is also what us define the west which is why it's now you're running into some problems because if this is not the mission of the west or what is the west coast we see how the material wealth is going but also decide the ology of you know taking liberalism to the extreme is now proving to have a very bad effects both internally within the west but also creating very bad relations with external powers and they don't seem to connect that these 2 are very much related. and where that where the causes are limited our guest here in athens i mean one of the things i find quite fascinating in running up to this security conference in munich is that in this term west listeners it's should be. this is

some of neo liberalism that's words destroying the west and that's what is threatening the world i mean the lack of reflection on the part of these people it's just a step down being to me they are the problem and once they're fixed then then europe can actually find its own footing its own identity instead of having it forced down its throat this horrific ideology that people are protesting left and right and center briggs that is the best example go ahead. you know their problem is russia is in a peter rabbit. restless and this is yeah in china now as well but west listen this is what the west is doing to itself you're exactly right i mean west listeners it's this neo liberal policy that we've all been living under it's the mass immigration it's the destruction of religion the structure of family the censorship the woken the identity politics this is all coming from the neo liberal west west listening is the neo liberal west destroying itself but like you

said peter it's russia's fault it's china's fault everyone else's fault that's what's this this is what they're doing to themselves they're they're destroying their own society that they have built and they're doing it in an incredible unbelievable fashion you know what i find really in standing you know alice cooper used the word walk and woking is here but you know there's numerous reflection on the part of these elites and say much of the world would like to have traditional western values in their own lives and let the ok they strive for it and the west is actually committing. a form of political and cultural suicide i think it's the rest of the world envied what would be traditional european values going it 7 doing it on a personal level i mean who is concerned that the wall without the west german present that you know. well let me remind you of that day it was

mr started mild who was supposed to guarantee they greenman to between the ukrainian opposition and president jiang on that point if february 2014 and their position just one that had an old kid in policeman burning their. body. in ukraine and we stitch time i didn't say why. worked people from their position basically breaching this agreement and then in 2 years mr porter goss said we just lost these documents that mr bush started my government you to come find it then you were in my in my office. and this man is now a bad enough so that you asked china and russia make it was more dangerous and he is saying that we just called it germany is prepared to become more involved including militarily when they read it my 1st reaction was in goma 9 donc it north militarily please you know you already bought in of all military yugoslavia for the

1st time since 945 german soldiers were on the foreign oil in yugoslavia in 1999 you were gold involved in afghanistan militarily stalled do if you know what we need is the last all of you would not war over you if i had a question you really want to jump in so i'm going to go i don't. want to go to because that's an important aspect because the problem now under this new law a new liberal policy is the reason it's destroying the west it's also alec's of the mcwhirter others because neither the political left or the right can do what they want their actual political objectives are on the left they want to redistribute wealth on the right they want to preserve traditional values and reproduce community however what people now notice after 30 years they're starting to realise well why do we have this growing economic inequality also why all this mass immigration we can't reproduce traditional communities why do we have to have multiculturalism why come to unite under common national culture but now they're

noticing if you won't like how did this political system come in place who authorized it and now that they're trying to complain they're actually told well how dare you you're challenging our core liberal values on who are you to complain your why you are a man but you are but here whose values are these are values the leats that never suffered the consequences of their policies you know that that that's what it noised me so much if you go back to alex here alex you know one of the things that i really you know they do. but the populists and all those you know these people are dissenting and that is a right to dissent ok that is a western ideal value and i dissent all of the time but if you dissent in europe then somehow you're a deviation if you're you're you're creating problems you're you're breaking within our norms ok no the norms were decided by somebody else not by the people go ahead alex yeah i mean the real title of this conference peter should be an attack on the nation state an attack on sovereignty it's an attack on nationalism we saw it took

gregg's it took the u.k. and brags of 3 years to finally get out we're seeing now that they're about to put salvini in prison in italy to stop him from gaining power and winning in a democratic fashion this is what this caucus is all about they don't know what people to feel like they're a part of their country of their nation and so we're going to do is begin to poll lula on him right you know i didn't lock him up i went in there and the funny part about all of this we all saw the scandinavian airlines commercial did we not that is a perfect example of how they feel about themselves that commercial that hit you tube and hit the airwaves and was criticized by everybody in scandinavia because they felt absolutely disgusted at the fact that the national carrier the national carrier was not proud of their own people their own culture their own heritage that is what is going on here that's what this congress is about is about destroying europe it's about destroying what the west was all these decades you know glenn you

know any great civilization collapse when it loses faith in itself in this is essentially what's happening here it's as if you know you know they're in their ideology is failing that means the people must be wrong and the people must be educated in reeducated until they accept these values until they're grafted on and that's not going to happen that's why we have dissent in europe. and that's why this liberal. internationalist movement very much they are undemocratic liberals that is they push to liberalism but doesn't have the liberal liberals. the liberals the people opposing them the populists there are rather democratic. liberal democrats so there are looking to challenges but it's but it's also interesting that this destruction of the state which is a nation as well which is why you don't see russia buying this either because they're already been through this to have the marxist the marxist do the same to say the nation state is nonsense or national culture is nonsense the religion is

nonsense let's just you know transmission of this and create this wonderful communist man or a man who is elevate the beyond his past beyond community based on anything else but the values that human rights are some and you know it turned out that even more care was a horrible thing another trying to recreate the community. to see especially doing the same things you after they've fractured it so much ok they want to see if they can put it back together again no i don't give these people a 2nd chance fema go ahead. i agree with the glare on that these are your g.'s basically that it terry and there are many things that make it. also true there that if the nationalist i did argue it would just let me remind you of some of the wars that these people you know that they quote pariah state to state you know. normal state and what do we here at this conference from the french president to be you to europe or to moral all we can all be controlled by the united states all of

our structure infrastructure our ports can all be old by the chinese and all computer networks can all be under russian pressure and the cold what is it if nor do you know for just you were. going to do you can't how big you can't be xena vocal big and then pursued globalist policy. make up your mind to go do one with these people you can because what they do is what is notice they shout at the so-called populists at so-called nationalists you know when these people say you know we want basically our culture preserved but these people are very pretentious russia china any big country that can rival they are globalist project you know potentially can rival it and the gist of this conference was how bad these poor protests are and they're just ready to come out and say we're sort of. look at

the article on our website existential angst over west it's not by hand and we need skill but she says that focused party is kind of rising up in the off tomorrow of the mess made by the liberal international or that good that's exactly ok we got to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion it's a real new stage with r.t. com it's perfect. just a pity you will come with another movie but in your circles one of. you needed. to do much for the little girl in the north of there.

what a good sort of producer you're already seems to know your limits seems to trace. back. what politicians to. put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. some want to. have to go to the press this is what. 3 of them can't be good. i'm interested in the war. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guests of

the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see that. welcome back across all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to a month we're discussing some real news. ok let's go back to alex and pins well let's talk about the dual dual justice system in america roger stone could die in jail i'm pretty sure he's going to get pardoned but andy mccabe will continue with his high paying job at c.n.n. and they have something in common alex they're both were charged or it was proven that both of them lied but one lives the good life one's going to rot in prison do it justice. yeah this was you know this was no coincidence that the mccabe news

was announced right after the roger stone thing went down i think that it's all out war in the justice department peter there's no doubt about it and i think actually now going after bar we were talking about the democrats saying that they now want bar impeached getting rid of barr once again stops the russia gate investigation stops his durham investigation into investigating the investigators we know that durham is widening the net and he's closing in he's brand in he's komi it's really ramping up the durham investigation and i think there is real panic in d.c. these real panic on the democrat side real panic from the state and so i think this whole mccabe thing this whole stone think is a way to get at bar and try to get you out of it that's all you know it's really interesting is that you know they want there it looks like they want to impeach barr i mean these the left isn't very nuanced anymore you know what you see when you're worried when you panic impeach ok. this is got going this is gone down i

mean you can find fewer probably the one of the best issues that shows the difference in the media culture in the united states about roger stone i know a lot about roger stone and i think alex would agree with me he's a political prankster he's an operator he's a braggart i mean he thinks a lot of roger stone all of us that have watched politics over the years from the conservatives i know all about roger stone all right and he's not a danger to society nor to himself all right but he's been turned into a poster child they need they need to put him in jail because that will vindicate the russia gate hoax that's why they wanted to go ahead and i think this is a one of the big dangerous united states polarizing which is in the one's interests now that it's the left or right. drifted so far apart you see this spilling over into the judicial branch as well so yes we see many cases of this before if we go

back to the cabin our hearings for example that was. disgraceful in terms of how politics is now and this coming from both sides. but probably more in the hole from the left because they also see it was a sentence for lying but if you look on the if you look at people of john brennan and you had. all of this were caught lying under testimony and what happened what they know they now have high paying jobs you know sitting on different left wing t.v. channels and not just from c.n.n. time as a missy so it is it seems slightly selective that they would only go after roger stone and and of course this trial was also a bit absurd i mean that's a bar point out there the head of the jury foreman you're for sort of foreman there she was fiercely. hated roger stone who was even tweedy could be very

open about it. you know usually that would lead to a mistrial or something but it's the best point you brought up to really like this . here is that. when you have the justice department so overtly politicized you're in you're in a bad place you're live very place here in what's more so is that you have half the country enraged by this and when you have the liberal news outlets praising the mccabe's in villainize thing the roger stones of the world that you're playing with dynamite well it's not the only example i mean look at these so-called whistle wars this is not a good mother good point absolutely there is this alexander biederman we didn't need anyone expect him to have a new trial but we don't know when he came out with these statements that you know what a lie. in the eyes in prison he was a hero and his family was put on the protection or were military ways. compare it

to what happened to julian assange and compare it to what happened to it was snowden and it's not only internationally see manny. is still absolutely it's still it's still it's not only the united states. peter problems you know this is a guy who knew what his that was still the red square was lionized by the western media when he acted in russia no 1st he was put in jail when he is set on fire fronts you can set on fire there for us in moscow but don't do it to the bengal frogs no he was put in jail for the 2nd time because he exposed skin did it for that matter paris and how did they do it suddenly all the french newspapers remembered that he was challenged by putin for doing something bad to an actress in russia 2 years ago they said it was a cold you know it was slanderous you know which it was just trying to put probably

ask in jail now that i remember it because of the need to put a human shield in you that pretext basically they followed on pretext that there was a brawl bald more than a month ago will suddenly they remember that and they this was used as an excuse for arresting him but they will be arrested him off the prime minister of france and off to the ministry of interior said that these so-called artist was bat. pardon is in the cards i think for sure ok i don't know about man 4 i think that for roger stone it's quite appropriate in his going is already pointed out that the trial was less than pristine here it's time to wrap this up to people say rumpel pay a political cost he's already paying that cost every single day i see 0 downside for him to do it go ahead. and i think you'll actually wait till after the elections when. when he does it where i think he's position now to win in a landslide peter i think bringing up manifold is actually really good because

outside of the cape stone issue it was the same judge that was there in the man of ford case and let's not forget who matter ford worked with and i mean literally worked away have picked out a stone rather going around free exactly exactly such another example of the dual justice system i mean these guys literally work together in ukraine one guy's in prison one guys running around europe visiting museums buying expensive are drinking wine all kinds of things so that's a do it justice system there trump is going to win in a landslide the dems are panicking the swap is panicking bernie is attacking them from the left they're trying to deal with bernie as well and trying to knock him out as well and smearing am and who are they now propping up peter bloomberg who's going to be bloomberg running mate hillary hillary clinton. and both it is a hero by the way brad pitt is making speeches at the oscars about how bolton said here oh we clowned world. probably it will be michael bloomberg and jeff

bezos a good beat you know that's that's the logical and you know i mean i think the you know i think the heartland the red states they're going to draw the obvious conclusion that. the d.n.c. rate did influence favor through technical means and strategies but this time around they're just going to buy it ok they're going to tempted just to buy the election here and we're going to do it quite openly with you know with a straight face because it's for the greater good ok how is it good how is you know it's always the left you know that we hear is that they're the ones that are great protectors of democracy you know they're the ones that are shredding it if you can't win by the election they're telling people and people on the left think that's a right you should do that this is really hurting institutions and the ethos of democracy about this is. this are the on the mic. radical liberals fighting against democratic. national popular so this is also the problem if you want to come up

with a recipe how for democrats to lose you know that this would pretty much be a dog bring hillary clinton with a bill in there and then talk to demolish your only being a frontrunner which is bernie sanders. and it's just and you know weaponized the judicial branch just go off the peach mint on. what else could you possibly do in order to ensure the trumps going to win then again i don't think it's a very good precedent in the many many ways so i think i would like to see some months of a much better caliber of their vote. but again the guy is a cartoon character i deal with you know i mean it's these people are liberal liberals they like to talk about impunity you know you don't want to put sanctions on russia it's going to be impunity well they did it to bernie sanders again

she did it to gain you know the d. and c. the doing it again to bernie said this the 2nd time when they're all the same outlets are used and no one is punished this is impunity you know we're talking of all the lies you know we're talking about roger stole. people call out about weapons of mass destruction in iraq and iran over them get by and it is because of these people that 4000 of them are going to listen about until the financial crisis of 2008 who got punished for that separate the middle class the same in a general information. basically there was a lot of wrong information it wasn't worth let me go back to alex who are going to rapidly running out of time here i mean it just a number of issues we have talked in this part of the program it really shows how everything is the tinderbox right now because it's patently obvious that people are using power in i will this i'll say it in a moral way is for their own betterment here i mean the mccain. comparison is so

galling and it's so obvious to so many people go ahead alex. yeah i mean it's also obvious to bar isn't a pretty mean bar had to go outside of the d.o.j. to figure out what happened with michael flynn that's how much faith the bar has in his own justice department which i think everyone now is starting to realize it's falling apart it's infested infested with partisanship with swamp creatures as trump would call them and we're looking at all out war barges and even trust his own justice department to deal with flynn and now he's trying to deal with stone meanwhile we have mccabe walking around free we have lisa page tweeting out pics drinking wine saying congrats and whatever she said i mean it's right in front of our debates here but now it's. just a last few seconds here i think we have to say in all fairness trump isn't helping bar out by his random tweets there and you know going in there should be more of

a united front there let bar do his job bar said 20 seconds go i've already said it far said it ok real quick well i think that basically a bar it's very interesting what the quote all we have here you know the democrats are taking him for basically openly pronouncing his ideas on religion which were conservative and for doing his job well he what is he doing there but already is but he was nothing more is being used as a sarah get to go after trump it's really quite obvious argument it's all the time we have here many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in athens and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t.c. unix time to remember ross national's.

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