go straight to damascus and join by skype talk to famous or political advisor to the syrian government don't sean thank you so much for coming on the show why is it taken you so long deliberate invalid from al-qaeda linked groups there in your country there are so many terrorists who came across and in the last 2 weeks we have been live in a big annual general part of through or at. many villages many places and on still around me has secured and pull that has been sitting in on 2016 to get at least subjected dual misses and that from. the mystery which is cool down the tubes sham which is it better is the to deny this and we are determined to liberate libya and the test of syria trouble is better is it and occupiers every brawl cust

on the media and nato nations claims you are killing women and children a 1000000 women and children of the numbers that are being quoted on say c.n.n. john a foreign news the b.b.c. here 80 percent of them women and children your actions over the past 10 weeks of cause that and not only that the from the syrian and russian warplanes are killing all these women and children i actually afshan wish to end here to see what lies happening and know what an added pull and order to pull an inordinate lip and to see that what these terrorist left behind their left a black. belt all dead not does all of what did all of the stones and the wall that showed that they are that did not that i had that it was shot that they had that branch of al qaida. and that there out there is what is amazing afshan if that if

it does i'm this in an army and. all that it comes down everest anyway in syria they want to know what speaks about killing civilians and killing women and children while they never mention that 1000 that tens of thousands of martyrs who had killed by the missiles of that terrorist do the western governments support these terrorists do they like it that the their one dead to prevent i mean i it's beyond my understanding that l. all that the only one that there is a defeated that bumpy you will or or weston or root of piano push others called for stopping the syrian army because civilians are being killed it is that died when civilians out being saved it is that died when women and children and

fact it is and institutions are being saved through terrorism ok but even if one accepts the boris johnson donald trump a backing al-qaeda linked groups and damascus al-qaeda linked groups still have children what about the children in these groups that your saying that your liberating is the no alternative but for them to be killed in the liberation of these areas and no lead that pick said that to you so there's a lot out of me was fighting terrorists there were no children and daddy has what i want out of me is fighting and we definitely do not target i knew women i knew children it down to just only that terrorist but if the western governments . care about 2 women and children they should at least acknowledge that reality and they should to stop the measures they take against syria. women and children which are preventing the us through having

a lot of food allergy medicine a lot of other than any light our movement it does don't want to is imposing the worst kind of lives on syrian women and children but on the british television channel 4 news on c.n.n. on i.t.v. here in britain there is a video evidence portably showing the bombing by russia or by syria of children the blood of children that's not true well there are so many videos you know and of p c w a we discovered how much of the media was fake. with the light had metal got the us car we discovered that they were the right hand of that terrorist now you had this film being shown and then done by waddell complete oh is it through my lip will it does it take film that has no getting of truth in it that

had been made only in order to the good and the women and their family it is the density and britain at the expense of the truth fake media and now is an issue that we should all face in order to discover that reality and what is it truly a go and not only in syria but everywhere in the word of course the director for samo which was nominated for an academy award didn't get it would deny that but then what happened to the u.k. mercenary founder of the white helmets or syrian civil defense his body was found it is stumble. and we should discuss serious matters not only if they can use that to reach you from istanbul and diploma the light helmets and the from people who are doubting syria and the syrian people it's true. take me go just as that

terrorist out of town getting the sudan people with their weapons and with their arguments why doesn't western media come to syria and find out truly what's happening that are the other the proposed sale they say they can't get into syria turkey apparently killed 51 syrian soldiers last week more soldiers on valentine's day what's your message to turkey which of course under article 5 is protected by nato i didn't say it didn't keep it out of the chair had begun because their neighbors were dead fish people that i would tell you that and do gun was spared all of this terrorist war that has taken place in syria without. without him as allowing all these terrorist to grasp the borders it would have been impossible to make all these terrorist come to syria and now that he has failed

in syria he's moving his terrorist or into libya i think added to gan is a very dangerous man because of 2 factors 1st is that he thinks he would restore the autumn an empire and 2nd because he is a muslim brother and he's feeding muslim brotherhood not only in the middle east but also in europe and in asia and i mean what he can and it can be ok reza the one denies he is supporting al-qaeda or isis die action in your country ovi asli britain announced new sanctions along with the european union on syria what do you make of the fact that boris johnson newly elected prime minister said in parliament in the past few days his government britain wants to overthrow.

president bashar al assad allowed things to fall other sanctions against my country illegal they are not condoned david by they all an outer need that are all measures taken by they've knighted states and by european parliament we are defeating terrorism and because a lot to stout that he couldn't section and the was 10 countries do not you would have been had gunda do not want to acknowledge that all did stand to what syria was it owned a stun and they were defeated they don't want to acknowledge that defend billions of dollars and support of terrorism and again just a secular country that looks very much like europe i don't know how they can pace dead people or would this reality star stand that difficulty that go on through is nato acting as a proxy for israel because of syria's stand against israel last

time in damascus you told me this is not even about president assad this is about destroying the identity of syria itself not that it through auction it is that when you see the destruction that has taken place in and it'll you know that in a way. the old house is that things that our that our classified as human to treasure it is at balad that destruction of the identity of syria and if you link in this to the statement of netanyahu 2 days ago saying that we will prevail and at each end and in the arab you will you will conclude as i conclude that what they're doing is trying to destroy the indigenous i'd have people in this region and. whole of dissolving the palestinian

problem and prevailing all that region and destroying the arab culture what what is israel more and the last is the alliance that has been made you are in the syrian war between it aren't it our syria and hezbollah are well while the united nations mark local the un security council complains about a divided security council and we get the media pictures of these women and children. there is rebuilding now i understand going on what do you make of. reconstruction reserve a china is china investing in new reconstruction we wish china and the chinese people to 5 the best and the cost as. you know victory over this corona but there is not valid doubt that china and russia

a lot of partners whole supported us and security council and took the veto in defense of the syrian people they would be dumped and that list and that it construction of syria and just finally dame catherine pierce the british ambassador to the united nations she has been promoted to become britain's a woman in washington now the ambassador in washington she said you use cluster bombs on all spittles what do you make of a promotion well i think the last kulak you may call for any ambassador saying that out any government i think probably she was promoted did from a british ambassador to the u.n. to british ambassador in washington and it is alt. stands again it's the sudan government and that's it and people at it but i will tell the british ambassador that had a statement that he'd colonialist estate man we are fighting for our freedom well

it is stably cian and making a lot of future and a she would have no say and the future of syria dr but then it's about thank you. thank you. after the break is china detaining a 1000000 weak is or is this a terror cover story for us spillover of the war in afghanistan is china really using one way to hack into all of mobile phones is china suppressing information about the coronavirus we speak to the translator the chinese leader deng xiaoping about the alleged this information campaign against the superpower of the 21st century of the civil coming up in part 2 of going underground. financial survival. when customers go by. now

well reducing lower. that's undercutting not what's good for markets it's not good for the global economy. not the moon but in your circles modesty. and you can do for the much for the group with a little in there to do more when they're. not. quite in good britain for you you're already in the eastern seaboard never. seems to trace. the. welcome back in the past off we heard from the syrian government currently in talks

with china about post-war reconstruction but if nato nation media is to be believed the impacts of coronavirus will leave china crippled unable to wield economic power it currently does meaning projects like syria and reconstruction. and the new trade deal with the united states will fall by the wayside china denies this so why is their message not cutting through joining me now is the man who used to translate for chinese parliament leader deng xiaoping victor gao who is now the vice president of the center for china and globalization victor welcome to going on the ground in the studio for a change so i got to ask you what is your take on the near consistent attacks on your government being a resume your government being a dictatorship all of this in the context of china's problem with coronavirus well 1st of all i need to express my condolences to those people mostly my countrymen a whole passed away because of the score of our virus and also please allow me to

express our sympathy and solidarity with everyone in china throughout china in all these provinces especially in all one city and i hope the province where now fighting against this current virus eventually china we and eventually china will we give you are aware of the coverage the vagas johnno probably anyone watching the government in a jewish nation does you can't win because you're lying to your people about how. this particular variant even started lying about all manner of the context of this virus that learned practitioners involved caring for the sick and not allow me to divide this whole thing into 2 faces and the dividing line was january the 20th when dr to manage and declared that this corona virus could be transmitted person to person in the 1st face leading all the way to generate that 20.

2020 it was badly handled but ever since january the 20th specially ever since she entered the 24th when the police in china convened a full session to talk about his curled up virus i think we are now in phase 2. we are now very much united in china as a whole in fighting against coral not ours i think transparency is a must complete disclosure is a must see. communication man all of this seems to suggest what you're saying there is a total failure of messaging and of communications don't forget this is occurring whilst it is being pumped out into nato nation media all around the world that you're basically running concentration camps of a 1000000 people of we good is and i know that's come under scrutiny now because reuters apparently used said it was a un rather than a us back then geo and so on but what is going on with china's ability to communicate its view of what's going on in the world now the eagles are our

brothers and sisters probably a problems region and the weak those are very proud as and that ethnicity group in china and the way goes reached the chinese culture and tradition as a whole and don't forget ever since 2001 the americans and nato have been fighting a war in afghanistan it has brought to an end it is still going on and. tunnels region borders with afghanistan and the spill over of terrorism extremism into is a real threat and it's coming out of mostly from well i mean as you said ascher all these big n.g.o.s say using the research of the albeit far right fundamentalist christian adrian sense that your country is imprisoning and detaining i don't know

whether it's millions or a 1000000 and the d.c. based chinese human rights defenders which is an organization widely quoted around the world they've interviewed 8 people and the. they say that your government is persecuting and detaining and reeducating and psychologically torturing who knows billions of people i do not accept this kind of accusation we are a nation of 56 ethnic groups each of these ethnic groups are important members of the chinese nation as a whole they are proud the chinese citizens all of us i tell you why this is the reason why britain isn't allowed to work with while away according to mike pence threatening britain over both breaks a trade deal because you'll immediately start hacking our entire internet system i think the british government has the wisdom and the courage and the vision to do the right thing and i think our we is a very very important player here in york

a as in many other countries in the world there is no ideological twist to whatever always do and i think u.k. as well as many other countries cannot afford not to upgrade their network system to 5 that they agree over here obviously is just i mean this is also in the context with something that john pilger the one of the greatest english language journalists who said there is a coming war on china your country is surrounded by us bases sometimes you see foreign ministry spokesperson in beijing getting angry about it but you said why would we want to do it is the perception that's being brought out in nato nation media that the reason you want to do do it is somehow china is an evil force in the world i think that's a complete to discard to arise ition of the situation in china i think it is true that there is a very big country in the world which has not yet come to terms with the prospect

that eventually china's economic size will be bigger than that country but does that mean that child i eventually will be for example pushing around in all directions. even driving that country out from the center of the global stage no you don't want to invade britain right now no. i think while i respect you your reference that direction probably is as far stretched as you can think about ok when you look at the headlines about oil way and mike pence seeming to turn around something that trumpet previously excepted u.k. power networks they run the power in london underground heathrow airport that's a company control basic infrastructure all these lekas xing from china or other people why do you think there is controversy over war way when chinese companies can control. the electricity and i would say there are indeed the

politicians in washington who seem to be very desperate and hysterical and probably they are on the verge if not they are already losing their sanity is about a hallway and i think it is truly unprecedented for any country is specially the top economy in the world to launch a national or to declare a national emergency on one single company while we and i hope politicians as well as the people on this side of the about take in the united kingdom as well as other european countries will be wise enough and saying enough and reasonable enough not to behave like some of the politicians on the other side of the. ocean china is characterized as being a dictatorship in media in this country how would you define it china ever be described as a dictatorship. ever since became the paramount leading china around

978 also all china has been calling itself a country of socialism with chinese culture estates and i'll say that phrase or that label of that definition is very very broad and fracs of and it is the flexibility whether the people come to that it will be the most of flexible pragmatic and a reasonable development model in the world it is not based on for example now for dictatorship i don't think china is dictatorship i don't think the 1400000000 chinese people want to live in a dictatorship but china's system is different from any other country in the world which is better is specially which system is better for the circumstances of that country itself that's arguable that question i think we do not need to really. is

our sanity because one country is different from ours one country has a different system or one country can achieve roughly about a 29 percent every year for the last 4 decades i think we can see why china can manage to do that while almost all the other countries have failed sometimes miserably there you konami development from playing a good game with phase one signed of this trade deal intel has already been told it can't working on 5 g. corp with china companies are still wary of sanctions if they deal with china allow me to make something for the wreckage of the trade war between china and the united states is the wrong war to stop with the conclusion on the 1st phase agreement is a good thing why because it helps china it helps the united states and it helps global trade we are at a period of time in history right now where we are almost on the verge of

a global recession recession no one will gain anything by stopping the economic growth of the world ok but you said that national specifics are the context for different political systems of course the way we hear about hong kong britain's old colony is the johnnies communist party which may work so well within the people's republic is not intrinsic to what it is like in britain's old colony in fact there are riots over coronavirus because again there is a context of coronavirus in the in the antagonism between the people of hong kong and china a miscarriage mis characterization i would say whether you like the situation in hong kong or don't like the situation in hong kong one thing is clear is brutally killed there. that is the chinese central government is not interfering in whatever

that's going on in hong kong because if you see the rest of china throughout the chaldees landmass 9600000 square kilometers there is no such value or is difficult to get from journalists violence is not tolerated in china therefore china is not interfering in the situation no one really disputes the chinese sovereignty of a hong kong but under one code why isn't it interfering them to stop the violence and the birth on the one country 2 systems the responsibility of venting law and order squarely rests on the show of the hong kong is a archival there's carry lambswool know the hong kong government is doing whatever they can to make sure that violence does not degenerate into real chaos in the picture that has been my home cause of democracy and everyone has the right to protest and demonstrate if such protests and demonstrations are legal or just

finally made in law is the principle thing that we need to promote in addition to democracy and human rights ok well after we did actually talk about us n.g.o.s and their involvement in the situation ongoing i got to ask you given that the indian a commissioner told me on this program to going underground that as regards the from an accession of kashmir by the indian government that the india's position was they wanted better governance in kashmir will china recognise indian occupation of chinese kashmir or china india have very good relations with the 2 largest populations in the world and both countries need to do the right thing to promote good neighborly relations between china and india pakistan is a strong and staunch friend of strong ally bug specially in the in the war against terrorism as it were exactly you were ever has been the cash. a

region is disputed territory between pakistan and india and also involving areas in cash bia evolve in china their fall of the legal status of kashmir is not settled because of these territorial disputes therefore china does not recognize the indian government's decision to for example impose its claim on to kashmir as it did to what's going to do about it and china is working with india on the one hand that john is working with pakistan on the other hand to call for calm call for all sanity call for reasons for example and anyone any country need to do whatever they can to stop the violence all prevent further provocations and asking china as the voice of reason as far as the situation is concerned victor gao thank you thank you very much for having me and that's it for the show will be back on saturday to join the fight for a future freedom with pink floyd from roger waters ahead of next week's british

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