they said that's it we've got to do something and they did but 1st. your mom she she was a small child like she was on can you know she was you know came over here at 4 years old and she was put on the train and a lot of people don't know either that they were told that if they cried when they were with the parents took them to the station they were told that if they cried or showed any emotion they wanted to put the kids on the train so you can imagine it was like a silent thing and they were saying goodbye to the children and the children little children 4 years old how could they understand what was happening i mean it's just such a horrible thing but there again they came over to england they saved their lives and i wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for the can transform what i mean to your mom you don't one day when you were old enough to understand that this is how i know she didn't she you know was always part of my life always was what was part of anybody else's life i remember when i was little growing up and seeing you know films about it and my mother used to run to the t.v. set and said oh perhaps i can see my mommy and daddy and it really used to make me

stop sad so i never was very interested he used to just upset me the whole thing about the war i never want to talk about it because i upset her so much generations of people who came as part of the program to be muscle contributions with the world of art if you come across a lot of actors who were part of course as we had to find interesting i think people didn't really talk about it it's only recently now that i know so many people that are connected now that i'm friendly with after you've got a dame shirley i mean she is she she's very high up in autism there are thousands of fact there's a list of people who came over on the can to transport you know top physicians top you know people of surgeons everything people have saved lives constantly and there are people now when we went to the there was a kid a transport reunion and it was just fantastic to see i mean people now who came over very old but that their children and what they've given to society and how we've. change this country because this country saved my mother's life and i feel

that all the contributions that she made and all the people that came over on the kinda made have made a huge difference to this country so we've paid back our jews as perhaps some of the leveling center attached to the new holocaust memorial will do to sure the contribution of the ladies will say they should do i think that would be fantastic so why when given the track record when let's talk about lord dobbs for a 2nd i would believe respect because of his background because he was part of the program because he speaks with one rival the thought of the on the issue could see the politics of this lying and how is your campaign going to take shape if you mobilize public and well i don't know a man out there going to be formidable to govern though i know i love i love to work with him at the moment i'm not working with i'm just you know being a spokes person for how i feel i'm not my views of my own not his as you say once a letter but sir i don't know what's going to happen next obviously else will come up with a plan and i should be behind him but we've got to hope we've got to get public

opinion behind us if we cannot get the government behind us we've got to get public opinion and somehow we will i'm sure i was partly a campaign will be mobilizing some of your your sugars powers to get the message across yes absolutely i think the more of us the better and we will definitely i will get every celebrity a every face that i can on to this campaign i will do anything to make it happen we need to make it work in the terms of the contribution and you're saying that people don't always appreciate the difference between immigration and refugee how do you illustrate don't grading immigration which in itself many would argue i would argue is a fairly good thing for yes i think immigration is good but i think people think that people come over here as immigrants and they take from our society they take from the n.h.s. they take from this they get free there's they get free that they get you know benefits where is that's what they feel they come over i'm not saying they do that but i think that's what they think of the terms of. health services creation would

be very much the well exactly but that's what people think and i think on the other hand with refugees these people need help they're not coming over here to to to take or even contribute particularly they just need to be saved they just need someone to look after them they are vulnerable we look after animals and i am a huge animal lover we look after our animals so well now because we have to we get animals from all over the world from greece we have programs with greece and spain bringing in rescue dogs but we can't bring in rescue children and the at the happy moments of the last few years one thinks of the autumn of 2015 will the picture of eileen killed the young cub dish lot of in 3 years all that lying dead on the beach you know mobilize change public opinion and not just in this country but but what will why how do you create that intimacy with people were both people always having to rely on a picture of a complete after the individual client i think you need someone to explain i think

people need to know it's just about knowledge i mean before hand we used to just leave animals didn't we we didn't treat them very well and i think now that because we've had so much public opinion that everybody loves you know like paul o'grady for the love of dogs we have all these wonderful programs we need probably more media on the a lovely programmes to show how lives have been changed we need to do something very special to show this compassionate country to be a program on successful refugees your contribution to me exactly says that you know that yes i think that you're absolutely right and no one's done that we need to know we need to know the success of these people but we need to help people we need to feel compassionate towards these little children some of whom are sleeping in the fields on their own they have no family well if anyone could put for a program idea or get onto a screen to write a letter x. laid out that is the next thing. in your own career what's what should be an

activity sort of person well i suppose i do lots of voice overs i'm also a producer of shows on cruise ships which is great which i actually produced and put on myself and i'm also a contributor to leisure time magazine so i'm doing loads and loads of things so i on that a start might my career goes in one thing and out of the other but i think i still think i might like to go back to a soap but you keep coming back and joining us now i love coming here so i thank you for having me for place alex joined us after the break we're alex the last probably and probably meant to campaigner i spent in that can you know how i'm peace can still make a difference facing a large government majority will see that. i . i can't show you my face but i'm going to teach you must door in 9093 this man was

sentenced to death they could charge kenny with capital murder even though he didn't have the gun didn't pull the trigger didn't intend to kill anybody imagine living in your bathroom for the week with the center for 23 years. i doubt that had to. get abby very. confined within 4 gray walls he fights he was in hot turn all to help him to leave death row. in the troubled 19 seventies a group of killers rampage through parts of northern ireland that was coordinated loyalists attacks particularly catholic population in belfast tens of thousands were forced to flee their homes and what was striking to put these attacks was that the are you see the police actually took part in the attacks so instead of preventing look they were active participants in the burning of coal streets in belfast at the time more than

a 100 innocent civilians were unloaded as the review can seniors and we found out more i was surprised about the extent and of the currents which the collusion was involved in some of those cases the killers would later be named the dylan and gang i think it went to the very very top i think if he crossed the water where all the taste since you thought was going on and give the go ahead. is your media a reflection of reality. in a world transformed. what will make you feel safe from. isolation whole community. are you going the right way or are you being

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welcome back 2 years ago while lord dubs led the campaign for child refugees in the house of lords and to spend a mcneil the m.p. for human in year let the count paint in the house of commons his private member's bill sailed through its 2nd reading in 2018 with all party support only for the government to use procedural tactics to 1st rate it from becoming little alex big deal about how to make progress in the new political environment of a government with a massive commons majority and i'm joined by someone who's taken key parliamentary list of in the house of commons on the issue of refugees i've just met neil newly reelected this chair of the international trade committee congratulations on your statement much i like your i'm glad to be back isn't it a single particularly this time with border seeming to learn international trade on the hoof every time we turn on the television he thinks a lot of silly as wu is

a deal so on the subject of refugees in the last parliament you produce the the family you the refugees family reunification bill would act single through 2nd radia great achievement for a private member's bill sykes but then go down by the government lost in the silence of commons procedure of what happened to the you know they would give it as it was technically called a money resolutions or can get it up to committee upstairs in the commons there was a tory whip was particularly difficult about when under load some was leader of the house and i asked several times of business questions why the money resolution wasn't forthcoming i was sort of story walling 34 weeks on the trot i asked her the same question effectively and to the leader of the house until late some of the time when there was really no will within the tory party. to move that on and when we'd only given children the same rights as adults something that's normal across

decent countries across the world but let's deal with the procedure 1st i'm in for people watching around the world so here was a bill on a friday which most m.p.'s of already shuttled back to their constituencies was was carried of a commanding majority usually you know a large number of m.p.'s attending but even with the parliamentary assent of government to the black arts of god that put certain procedure of knowledge to bog down in the house of commons and the total that make you feel was very well some honest and it really was difficult because i'd met some of the young refugees in question who had hoped at the 2nd reading stage that meant perhaps if he says that may not be taking a dangerous journey through the sahara could just fly here in safety if you go with people traffickers to the sahara particularly as a woman well we don't need to spell it graphically what might happen is sally not pleasant and if you fall off one of the vehicles then these just left and so it's

a dangerous journey both physically in mentally in many ways to try and get yourself to a place of safety so we're trying to do was to get children and families reunited these are people who have families already in the united kingdom who were seeking to join them from danger zones of war zones as refugees from from rome the continent that that was the objective of your bill absolutely and it happens in other european countries where the child more typically a teenager might arrive in a certain jurisdiction the family have been split up for some one reason or another they might have wondered of course africa or the middle east of whatever and ended up in a european country to relative safety in normal countries the a low children have the same right as adult refugees as an adult refugee in the united kingdom can take the children with them but our child refugee can take that out of periods or siblings with them. and i think as a great iniquity because surely children who are refugees deserve the same rights as adults or refugees and i don't think it's been fully thought through the

consequences of not doing that at all and spitters arguments were made up against it which are shown not to be true so what is the government's logic here will remember memorably of dubs in the house of lords succeeded an amendment to teresa mayes breaks a bill tried the same thing and succeeded in the lords of abolish johnson's woodrow bill but here's this big majority in january to overturn the house of commons but what is the government's motivation a minute most we're talking a few 1000 people involved why are they so dead set against a structurally provision and title these children to rejoin the farms well it's evidence of 2 things to do to that question i think there's an ingrained behavior and motivation in the home office which is and is going back to in the 2nd world war what orphan children of the holocaust there was resistance to deal to when did

we have for instance the 300 children in to czechoslovakia it was resistance in the home office to allow them a sense of normality after the horrors of going to an all across so there's that stand that runs through the home office for decades but i think more worryingly perhaps in the current conservative government it's just a feeling that they might get bad headlines from trashy tabloids who might say the taken in too many people and that i think is such a baseless and unthought through motivation a kneejerk motivation that it really is sickening when you put out against what children have had to face. in becoming a refugee the uprooting of the families the dismemberment of the families the killing in some cases of members of the families of the other death threats to other members of the families let me ask about your constituents and the leader of the west of miles ahead pretties was clearly feeling when you. enough to get a prime position in the in the private member's ballot perhaps their member should

have been proposing something more directly related to that to the western islands as opposed to the issue of child refugees the joy of any blowback from your constituency that perhaps you should be mending your own fireside well there's always one or 2 side in voice but the overwhelming majority in 90 plus percent i would say they were on side of this i mean they have a decent particular unlike the near independent feature well as with the population growing in the hebrides we see deep population and we want people in fact they were when some syrian refugees of a quarter of all the syrian refugees to the united kingdom of come to scotland and some went to the island of lewis and the other other 5 or 6 islands were complaining they didn't get any refugees or refugees tend to mean a new spark new initiatives filling up schools inviting vitality in the community people you'll get to know quite quickly and so no to answer your question that wasn't global so if you are the opposite when a society years experience the hard side of emigration they're more willing to see the benefits of immigration that is an absolute right and also the understand from

their cousins and friends who are emigrants to other places and have been welcomed to other places that when migrants and immigrants come towards you then they should be welcomed in the same spirit that you cousins and friends and family were welcomed in other parts of the world so what the prospects for this parliament with a massive total majority in the house of commons have got a lot dubbed still active still campaigning in the house of lords is there anything you can do in the commons to keep this issue alive and well sadly in the current lot of private members goes nobody has taken up the baton i was hoping somebody would pick up the baton so we will find parliamentary devices bills behind the chair or whatever. the chair over there what is that where it's no much of advising but the private member's bill but at least we can present it in the house is to get behind the chair of the speaker we'll get some traction so. motion with the would do isn't work at the end user so what you're saying is you get a law you don't get the same opportunities as being lucky at the ballot for members

you know your garden team taking you can still get your your bill printed you can still use the extra you can use the parliamentary mechanism has to fire the public campaign is still a question with some experience of these of these methods absolutely and that's and that's what it's about sort is about keeping this in the public consciousness i don't think given boris johnson's huge majority it'll be much in boris johnson's conscience unfortunately or the to the government's conscience who knows they might have a change of heart at some at some point but they are going to reach any road to damascus unless we try and at least work with n.g.o.s to keep just to do the forward because it's a normal thing in normal countries. to resist giving child refugees the same rights as adult refugees i mean if you don't even slipping and i'm not advocating this if the slip in the right so muddled refugees a little bit some form of equity. adults and children badly treating children only badly is reprehensible and surely they're going have

a change of heart and they're going to take a deputation of some of these families and deceit ballers jobs to see if you can get the change of heart see if you can appeal to is better than i think every device that is possible that we can play at the heartstrings and playing at the reality of the situation for the prime minister should be considered and all other members of the government particular the home office and the and the immigration minister as well because if we don't this will wither on the vine so we have to find things over the next few years hopefully perhaps in the next parliamentary year somebody comes out of the of the heart for the private member's bill if i'm lucky enough to be one myself and if this hasn't been sorted by then i would obviously got the button again and run with it one things also interested me and that. would be a collection of of the generations who. of achieved so much who were the beneficiaries of of refugee programs and the can been the wonderful debbie arnold

of spectacular show business and soap careers as one of your your key supporters and campaigners but i'm example of all those in the national life who are only here and only achieve what they achieved because someone at some point the sighted to rescue them from that see germany or from or from other extraordinary difficult circumstances internationalism is of an argument for getting an assembly of of these great achievers have contributed so much to see if these people would not be part of the fabric of the country unless somebody had said you know suffer the little children and let them come in absolutely i mean i think there's also looking behind as to why that happens i think when people come into a different society whether we go to another society or they compare society we see things through different eyes because he different perspectives and different opportunities i'm reminded as you've been speaking about a month from the end of lewis who helped people from a boat from vietnam and in the vietnamese boat people and he got them to hong kong

left his own merchant ship and helped him get to hong kong and these people litter settled in canada having left vietnam with nothing with lovely the cloak roughly the clothes on their back some of them are no multi 1000000 years if not more in canada and is welcomed refugee reconvenes that various times in canada has been over to see the people who left destitute or know beyond wealthy in canada and matter of a few short decades or whatever their few g.'s seem to go i don't have any academic evidence for this but it seems the anecdotally it perform has the experience of being a refugee whatever they certainly enrich the societies that in help the societies and we're lucky to have refugees who we should think with that with the benefits refugees bring us not what we're doing for refugees for the short period that they're getting on the feet what would use chair of the national trade. but they say to about the issue of child refugees here to you you'll remember with a private list of appealing to his better bit of what would your message board is

jobs and be well to do is refugees are to modest trade partners and the countries they come from will be an invaluable bridge don't spurn anybody be the refugees will be the potential trade partners and if there is benefit mutual benefits from us all to embrace both on this point we'll thanks very much and thank you. when the opposition parties agree to the christmas election then i think peace angus for kill described it as a parliamentary christmas present for boris high right he was the implications of a tory landslide go far beyond the reach of politics it breaks it and impact on many issues with opposition held sway in the minority parliament similarly the house of lords has moved from a commanding position to being a muscular heated kimmons to break sit or anything else cannot be summarily overturned in the commons thus the campaigners for legislative protection for unaccompanied charges fiji's were only to find new ways of progressing their

campaign the focus will no longer be on crunch parliament she votes but on the low good job of persuasion of public opinion however feelings remain strong and the government would be unwise to underestimate the impact of publicity and on how the public can be touched by the plight of refugees children and politics probably venture authorities are what kinds for much but not quite for everything meanwhile from alex myself and the rest of the team it's good bye for night and we'll see you next week.

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