point become a completely absurd situation and race we you know all of this are concentrating on very overcrowded kind of situations and that we leave the countryside to be its potential all its beauty all its history its. its nature. and so. it's more a statement that let it happen and that we need to look at a country again that we have to be prepared to live in the countryside thing and. of course in a totally new way. and we're showing some evidence of that between also showing the need for it but is it a statement that actually offer some solutions i'll tell you i'm saying because like the country where account from it's a huge territory and i see that 17 villages every year disappear from the member of russia and i'm not i mean it's understandable the where there are the moneys in the

cities the living conditions all of that but maybe something for your perspective maybe a solution that you're offering could reverse this in my country well i think that the people who leave because there is kind of little interest to nation opportunity with this city and that therefore everywhere the city drains people away from the countryside from villages to prince prince in africa to prince in europe but i think that if you got a very 1st indoctrination or 1st the propaganda of well actually that we are also making propaganda for it. i can come to show small evidence for instance in your for the were living working with the university of nairobi we had turned into architectural potential students and they said we. are spending really weaken the countryside. 60 percent. so the future in the countryside and for us is africa

where do you people you know typically have one foot in the countryside and one foot in the city so there are models of living in the countryside particularly with new technologies new kind of ways of using media new ways of using the internet that who people to live there so ok we're talking about the concept now which i understand but if we talk architectural wise for instance i was talking to your country man mark post i don't know who he is is this amazing guy a vascular physiologist who makes meet out of stem cells you know and so we're talking to him and he actually showed us the meat and right now it's hamburgers but in the future it's going to be steaks and all kinds of great steaks and everything and we're talking and he's talking to me scientifically how in 3040 years farmers in the countryside and your countries big and farming aren't even going to have

cattle anymore because the media is going to be made out of you know by your reactors that you have in your house so everything because of technology yet you're saying it's changing including the landscape including the space of how you know life in the countryside would look have you imagined what it would look like of course ringback. basically you cannot look at the countryside without knowing that there will be an enormous amount of change in you but you can also look at the countryside and kind of realize that in terms of climate change there's an enormous pressure to actually keep more and more and more of the countryside there is kind of plans to preserve 60 percent or the. entire rules you know in terms of protected areas or reservations or whatever so yes everything will change but part of the chance to also be. to live in the countryside in

a new way if only to simply maintain it or to maintain a kind of presence there plus the fact that i think our cities are not that wonderful. or cities or kind of centers of inequality you see whole generations that don't get their food told in the city it's actually kind of really absurd they don't believe in doing more pleasant much more kind of relaxing much more healthy environments. affordable and vibrancy of contraception so now you're talking to me as a thinker as a. theory which you also are but at the same tight same time you're a man who things informs right so when we think your buildings far as this thing from the landscape of a countryside can you maybe even see of simple words explain how it would look informs the future of the countryside architecture life or space was. well i think

i think. part of the generation generation of 68 that you know already in the sixty's and seventy's. never been a hippie but of course hippies were perfectly able to imagine what it would be like to live in the countryside. they were going for having series how you could live in communes of course new soviet to have been incredible communes buying and living in the countryside operating in the countryside i think. it will not be a kind of situation very soon everything looks different but i think. what needs to happen is that circle logical negativity about the countryside is kind of reversed in the 1st instance also on a psychological level so i don't think it's new forms that will have no of course

new technologies will implying new forms or new is forms but i see it as a kind of basically a campaign. in the almost independent of architecture ok but that as we for me also one of the great revelations that in every profession you are always to the prisoner of the parameters of the profession. if you want to kind of think of a real solution maybe you should look to solution that is defined by the architecture field just move outside the talking about professions. i am observing right now how so many professions are becoming slowly obsolete and you're wondering which one of that is going to be obsolete tomorrow you're saying in your essay junk space architecture per se disappeared in the 20th century what does it mean for.

and should be a political comment i think that. strong and good architecture is. related to the public sector i think the. architecture is there can probably prefer a profession that works for the public and when i see it as it disappeared i think if the new public client lurch new disappeared. in kind of periods of new liquidity and more and more conventional to private and i think that therefore you know do nobility of architecture or the kind of good intentions of architecture that were in question and maybe even 40 years ago have simply evaporate that. kind of pressure on the part of it that's also evolution no part of it oh of course of course it's evolution and i'm still an architect within that system and i'm not saying you can do architecture but it's a new kind of fundamental

a different kind of move that you're playing into current culture and then you could play 40 years ago and live long enough to come to realise that things that seemingly change forever may be able to change again into different direction or even to want to read from us but i like. things that are changing so drastically like in my lifetime are the things that globalisation has changed and whether you like globalisation or not it's here it's reversible and then what you have as a given is that problems have become global has become global is there such thing as global architecture. i think it's a very crucial question because we yes feel we have to put through all sorts of globalization no we have almost to refer a kind of vast greek equalisation. disappointment with the

globalization and i would say yes there's a global architecture and it's not an architecture that looks the same everywhere but it is an architecture and that engages different conditions everywhere in a different way for instance. did the library. in the city of seattle become the 1st part of the 21st century maybe 10 years later did the qatar national library. value develop to fill you. or the ambition and quality of each of the buildings is completely different even though i was. i was the author and it's completely different because you have a different form of interaction with a different culture with a different. form of know how with the different technologies with different environments so i think that it's extremely important to kind of right now to look

at you know do good globalization and to maintain and to uses them for it because i think it would be too simple to say ok it was a mistake we go back and let's forget about it it's so funny that you bring seattle and qatar and you say even though on the same architect that those buildings are so different because. one of the downfalls of globalization for many is the loss of identity and for instance when you look at the buildings especially in europe like you can say this is a money and building this is a barbarian tavern italian. but when you look at modern buildings all high skyscrapers the same this everyone wants to do something like you or zaha hadid and you don't they don't. there's a lot of that and it's too. i think to have 2 opinions about it if there is so much similarity it means that people like similar to and therefore

do identity is not necessarily a problem but it's actually something that people like because maybe that gives a kind of family or tea everywhere or kind of repetition of the same expectation the same environment so i wrote an article about the generic city which is going to simply say ok you can continue to complain about it. maybe people like. that on the other hand i did to be a nominee in 2014 in venice and i was to every single country to describe the history of the last 100 years. and those 100 years are of course the period that each country had to become in some way. that could really showed the incredible diversity the incredible eccentricity over every kind of story do incredible expression of modernity. you will see

how different it was formed. in. different cities from underneath to in finland so i think that if you look carefully disowns story about disappearing identity is actually a fake story running out take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to jenny as architect. about the future of our city's. league. play. rock your state television propaganda machine propaganda outlet propaganda tools we are in an information war please. please. please.

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politicians and leaders looked alike i.q. would not make a difference they were like all great and then all of a sudden people started voting for the most unexpected people like trump or johnson or like mattingly penn almost became president friends i mean you can like them or hate them but they're certainly not average so i was thinking did they do this this was the need of people to have something that is not to go beyond a little beyond simple technology actually do you think something like that could happen in architecture where we go back to some extravagant things. things are not traitors you know maybe extravagant is not like quite the right you could even say. kind of when 2 debt. during already in the last 20 years and you could even think that exactly because we became so dominated by economic incentives

that there you know there's not a single developer who tells you please do something really boring and really neutral. rich pre-build don't notice it's all about can please make an ark i'm pleased to be noticeable please be exceptional please be. so in architecture we've had the period. we're going to more extreme to apologise and leave it to you to church home satisfying to us what about the whole bigness thing because i see it too i see what you see i don't like it. you know because it was just a kind of way of may be exploring but also reassuring people and. you knew you know i've been kind of writer you know as part of my t.v. i simply sometimes see that certain issues are. becoming kind of

big or inflated or critical. tragic simply because nobody has really interpreted them in a kind of very precise way and so looked at bigness going to sympathy to say ok since the early 20th century the typical expertise that when you see something you immediately understand it and you understand what it is for and you understand how it works is no longer valid and so it is no longer valid because of certain reasons and those reasons are mostly to do with new technologies that enable buildings to be kind of to. and so it's not that they take a position but i try to give the most precise explanation so that. a certain. in happiness can be avoided but this thing simply through understanding

things. but you know how before an artist any artist including an architect could just. do whatever he wanted to do without really thinking i mean that's. that's that's the feeling we got that idea of architecture is that no architect every do what they want it and no architecture ever be able to. if you look at the history of michelangelo you see that in the pope's told him that he had to come and defend himself that he had to kind of change. his does. 5 different times because somebody didn't like it architecture is the incredible frisson it's like you want something or somebody wants something you can do it but then. begins. in a way to better the architecture do more intense the dialogue and it's all about.

responding to what you need to do what you have to do what you it's about exploring the thing the lack of freedom. freedom still or oh you must be experiencing a lot of cognitive dissonance here. has. made it maybe the departed type of cognitive dissonance a perfect term but i mean with all due respect it's good that you say this because like if you are a writer and you write a movie that i don't like and i can play if you build something i mean i'm stuck with it at least my lifetime i have to look at it every day so even that is not to do is a number of buildings that are terrible how do you feel about that. it's a situation. you know you were on break she's like one of my favorite serbian writers he says that an artist dies twice 1st physically and then 2nd one when he's

. is no more do you feel the same way like if you're building a stereo thinking going on. for the time being. the 1st this is thinking about the 2nd. but ok but there's something that i keep thinking about all the time because we have so many problems now along with global warming and overpopulation 1st of all so it's only a worry is that in the future we're going to have to build more buildings more compact buildings we need to tear down more building we need to house this people somewhere do you feel like we're going to have this problem of heritage versus. putting your people in buildings. absolutely. 2 things i think the. issue of global warming is very important in a show we actually have a kind of very detail to look at somebody looking at. how people survive

there and we we have can focus on and seeing all kinds of incredible phenomenon happening you know in terms of how you survive and how you can flourish in. extremely difficult conditions. also in order to deal with global warming. that's a revaluing of the country is extremely important you know because it's clear that you know maybe we saw technologies will help us but simply nature itself also has to help us we have to come to restore nature to a much more important role than a tourist and a much more demanding. client in a similar way so that is you know another crucial message of this exhibition. what we're doing now almost like lemmings to open more thing to the city it became

simply. if even for our own survival to to abandon the country so it's not exactly what you're saying could it be also that if we take the countryside and start living there we won't have to tear down the trails in order to i don't know a built high rise so that people can be housed i think that. if you look at. statistics if you look at. quantities i think one of the difficulties is that so many of these questions being . asked become extremely emotional. basically based on slogans but if you look statistically it's actually numerous the 3 or accommodating no. beacon can really handle that i. don't need to kind of break the story half of

the city the only kind of reason would be to replace dysfunctional entities research things the kind of work which better and more discreetly. i think is no can approach there will never be a situation that anyone is forced to eliminate the beautiful things of the earth thank god he's saying that but still like a job of an architect no matter how great he is is to transform space to create new space new things right so it's only inevitable that your buildings will pop up next to 18th century and i think i think. thought so too but maybe 15 years ago if we can can we really interested in prison. for diversity reasons and that's why difficult for us and it's more i'm currently working on and we're going to very basically you know without any ambition to take

to the story. simply to improve but also to maintain what was good about those buildings and i think that you know both in the garage and detention there are there is an incredible generosity of scale. norma's going to spaces that would be very expensive to today and so i think even a mortal of the architect or somebody who's only doing new things and therefore competing with voters there is a bit old fashioned what is the future of the form because we're talking about transforming the countryside but look we're like on this on her you know a cocoa break with this artificial intelligence. certainly going to join. us here so what is it going to look like. i don't think it will necessarily look. once you get used to things maybe they don't. think that anymore i think there's

also. kind of reason to believe that. we need to open with mr much greater discipline and whether we want to or not but death will you know and so we need to embrace that and wants me in various that thing that for me is not necessarily something that. you're forced to produce in the future i really think that the kind of pressures we are under. more likely to end in more sober. more sober cities. obviously more intelligent. or motor city can also be a form of intelligence. i'm just trying to figure i don't have kids and i'm thinking about having them now some really trying to figure out what kind of space they will be living in when you're talking about your generics any of the future it

can be any city any place or for me that is like the notion of my home my castle disappears privacy disappears describe it cowhouse is going to look where my kids going to. school. and to be able to leave a mosque or if they want to they can go to dubai or they can go to delhi something to do not to be kind of different. and. i think it's you can a very beautiful question of course what life move my kids have. but it's maybe also be tragic that we are now forced to oust its christian instead of being able to simply reproduce without too many too many workers can.

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