hello and welcome to cross talk were all things considered i'm peter lavelle bob dylan once said money doesn't talk it screams former republican new york city mayor michael bloomberg is proving this just the sheer force of lavish spending has made him a serious contender to capture the democratic nomination are we experiencing peak trump derangement syndrome. cross talking michael bloomberg i'm joined by my guest in washington he's a g.o.p. strategist in seattle we have zach holler he's an author and media analyst and in los angeles we cross to kim iverson she is host of the kim iverson show or a cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciated it's a toss up no i always go to the person that got up earlier but we early as but we

have washington and in los angeles i'm going to defer to los angeles cam what what are the prospects of this kennedy see moving forward for michael bloomberg after his 1st appearance on the debate stage go ahead kim. now want to have. this guy as well charisma you can just find the words you can just by the way that bloomberg thought that he could the way that all of us were ruling that he would do at the end of the day if you got up on that stage and he had no charisma he looked staff he looked awkward he looked like that strange cartoon about a billionaire that we see where he was like a cartoon of an evil billionaire and i think we all just saw that and it was i just don't think he has any chance whatsoever moving forward he has way too much baggage to many dark skeletons that are not even in the closet anymore they're all out in the open and i don't think he's going to be able to get get everybody there was. only excuse is the same excuse. trump has well now i mean whatever he doesn't have

yes but this trump got elected ok let me go to you in washington but bloomberg is moving up in the polls ok i mean i started out this program my bob dylan you know money does scream and a lot of people are accepting it and that is that is contributing to his moving up in the polls here money is a big factor in politics unfortunately moloch go ahead and washington well there's a song that's money power and respect is what you need in life and in bloomberg case it's pretty i think what we saw with the last debate where he was actually in there is that that money really doesn't matter at all and this is something that the democratic party actually has to get a hold on bloomberg to me he had a terrible debate performance because there was a lot of expectations that this money and the number the amount of support that he's got and let's not forget that he's actually getting a lot of endorsements from around the country from a lot of black people and it did not translate on stage last night the point the

different points where he was hit on his response to why he hasn't released his taxes reminded me of the response that donald trump gave his response to elizabeth warren actually hitting him over the end da's the non-disclosure agreements what bloomberg essentially said was well they signed it and i just don't think that that's something that's going to serve them well and keep in mind that limburg is not going to be on the ballot and too simple to super tuesday so we could have i think what 4 races elections by the end bloomberg won't be on the ballot and i don't expect him to do well after the last debate at all will agree with him no rust on which we'll see we'll see this i hear these echoes of 2016 in the g.o.p. we'll see zakir turn here ok i don't i'm not discounting both of what you both said but you know we have to be a little careful ok because you know being mandarins of the unit. didn't pay off in

2016 zach jump in go ahead. yeah well bloomberg is going to need a little more gray matter if he's going to want to win over the american people unfortunately in the democratic party money does get you places and we are seeing him pouring money into all types of democratic causes and candidates i actually found it quite interesting how openly he was bragging about how much money he was pouring out to democrats at the debate in vegas that really raises eyebrows considering all the pay to play that's been going on in the democratic party including in the 2016 election so i think he really opened up a few pandora's box is that are really going to do him in between the n.b.a. as you know it's like keep really made trump look good for all the bashing that people have done against trump for all these different reasons over the years bloomberg is way worse than all of that and that n.d.a. you know i'm no fan of liz warren but that n.d.a. trap that she set him in you know he really made it very clear that he does not want that information coming to light and i think that on its own is

a big problem much less you know demands for transparency he's going to see coming out of this debate ok let's go back to came and i will see what the public reaction was i don't trust the reaction of liberal media i just don't ok because they're in a bubble and they talk to themselves and you know what most of the time they're wrong we'll see how that goes here can't let me stay with you in los angeles. it's the d n c that doesn't want bernie to get this nomination it's quite obvious that's what bloomberg is there for so i mean we can criticize bloomberg for all we want and that's fine ok but you know if the d.n.c. this is their their what their rabbit up their sleeve here in there are a lot of democrats in the leadership are putting their eggs into the bloomberg basket i mean. it gets a lot more complicated than just some guy that is wooden on stage and he didn't care he doesn't care at all if he gets the nomination no. or if he wins i tend to

think he just wants to be a power broker and this is his you know last you know time in the end before the sunset because you know he's giving his money away left and right you could discuss agree or disagree with the causes but i don't think it's going to bother him but i'm bothered by the d.n.c. trying to torpedo bernie sanders again and i speak as a conservative go ahead jim. well i mean bloomberg is not the people's choice the one big thing is you know i understand that you don't trust the little and especially after 2016 i completely understand that every thought oh trump that one trump won't win and look what happened so i can understand that sort of sentiment like oh maybe that's the same sort of thing with bloomberg but one big thing is that trump resonates with a populist base and so does bernie sanders populism is here whether people like it or not it is here you can either choose left wing populism the right wing populism but that's what it was here in the base that's the movement and bloomberg does not represent the people he's not speaking for the people he is speaking for the elites

so that's why i don't think bloomberg is really i i think actually the sentiment that you're seeing in the media on twitter from the people i think that is actually real with bloomberg this time some of the media is actually resonating with the actual voters because bloomberg does come across a stiff he does come across as a he's the person that the roots have a shoved on us as the savior for the democratic party what does that tell us the fact that they've chosen a republican and yet a republican billionaire to do the same for the democratic base shows us that they have no respect for the voter they're not in touch at all they just do not trust the voters they think trying voters who are wrong and stupid and we've got to impeach that guy and for years and years we got to try to get the guy out of office because the voters were wrong and they're now trying to tell us the voting based on the democratic side that route wrong as well you have that right there's a problem that we've got to go after their buddy

a billionaire you know malique you know they but the d.n.c. changed the rules again you know they changed the rules of the game they moved the goalpost ok they they let bloomberg on that stage it wasn't bloomberg himself it was a d. and c. they did that what does that say about the d.n.c. in your mind go ahead. the d.n.c. definitely deserves criticism for this and if you look at candid. it's like you know senator booker and center harris and you know castro the problem that the d.n.c. has is that it seems pretty clear that they change the rules to been if it might bloomberg and he didn't do well last night which will be a problem i think moving forward what democrats are going to have to contend with is similar to what they're going to have to contend with in 2016 the movement the momentum the energy behind bernie sanders bloomberg unfortunately for democrats it's not that candidate i can't imagine anyone who looked at bloomberg performance

last night and said that they felt inspired and if you can imagine bloomberg being on stage with donald trump arguing that i'm a better billionaire then you know you think it's the most you're going to be able to thing that happens you could sell tickets because that will be a show of a lifetime absolutely absolutely will definitely be a show exactly what what has happened to the quote unquote moderates ok you know joe amy and pete you know what is the bloomberg effect on them go ahead. yeah that's a great question i think that a lot of democrats are really concerned about electability which you know is getting him nowhere in general but that you know it does seem probably that bloomberg has the type of apparatus they have the type of finances that could build a campaign that could be trump in november now that's probably going to hurt you know joe biden amy closure pete the cheat whatever. that will hurt them because

they you know they don't have the type of media a wall street. does wall street people work i think ok wall street pete i've got so many nicknames for him in my head. but yet you know it will you know really hurt them in so you know viability and bloomberg himself isn't that viable he's just got a big ship and he's you know throwing money anywhere he possibly can and people are taking it so it's not going to help them and it actually was pretty amazing to see the democrats really eating each other alive in the debate in vegas you know we haven't seen that type of thing i mean most of former democrats i myself a former democrat remember 2016 very clearly when the democratic debates were limited to 2 candidates hillary clinton basically bought the nomination herself bernie sanders was completely shut out we're expecting to see the same thing this time which is why probably most independents of already left the democratic party and good luck bertie you know it's like he is some of the things he's still saying

are still relevant but the other half you know he blamed russia for rigging the election in 2016 still when we all saw with our own 2 eyes it pulled out from under him by the same crooked d.n.c. that hasn't reformed in any significant way sense they pulled it out from under him in 2016 i mean going to go to kim kim finish is over 40 seconds for this blog go ahead finish. i mean if the democrats want somebody who's electable they keep talking about electability then you've got to go with the people who the people want the people who are the that are the ones who have to actually cast the votes as much as the elites would love to in the general election have superdelegates they don't get super votes when it comes to battling trump out in november it really will come down to who has the fire underneath them who are the people motivated by and i think it's a really sad thing when actually when you go back to 2016 hillary clinton had a much greater room and behind if you want to call it that but instead of clearly

had the movement he clearly had the fire but hillary clinton actually had quite a bit of people who were willy inspired by her they wanted a female president and without most of the movement behind at work when the new candidate on the set 'd of can't hold down thought we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on michael bloomberg stay with. television propaganda machine propaganda outlet propaganda tools we are getting information. that can change the way. you tube videos the. response to the. net.

plus your brush is russia russia russia stays. we'll be there which is russia and i really have to put drugs are you see you've been on our team . were so proud. still there are just getting to that number. why have you not shut down our t.v. on you tube it's a propaganda machine mr walker. this whole business about blaming russians america is getting really the static because here's a guy who's effectively trying to dehumanizing group of people slavic people in this case this is remarkably ironic coming from like like.

i can't show you my face but i'm going to teach you must store in 9093 this man was sentenced to death. charged with capital murder even though he didn't have the gun didn't pull the trigger didn't intend to kill anybody imagine living in your bathroom for that week with the son of a 23. i doubt that had to be. confined within 4 green walls the funny choosing. to leave death row. welcome back across time for all things considered i'm peter lavelle remind you we're discussing michael bloomberg.

ok molly could explain to me who you think the bloomberg voter is how would you describe is described that voter go ahead. as it seems the bloomberg voter is anyone who is in need of money. i mean washington you know i'm not talking about thinking it's not talking about the consultants ok ok talking about it. you know there are plenty of consultants. grandmother off a cliff ok i've met these people i'm not talking about consulting and talking about voters go ahead you know i have that's a very good question if i had to guess i would say the bloomberg voters are the. those who believe that trump needs to be beaten by anything exactly ends up being that person yeah don't work ends up being that person they'll be happy with that but you know as kim is that you know as we were saying there's no energy behind bloomberg and so what will happen i think is similar to what will happen in 2016

what the democrats need to the democratic party need to be careful is that if they're pushing bernie out to elevate bloomberg as if he's going to rise like the phoenix like from the ashes like the phoenix and he doesn't really deliver in these debate performances it's going to be a really big problem and one thing that we have to be mindful of is that in november there could be a depressed vote on the democrat side simply because there there is no energy behind bloomberg other than the ones who have taken in $6500.00 checks here and there but he's not a candidate that's inspiring and i think that's going to be the problem for bloomberg he does he's a dud as a candidate but he's a rich zach he's a very rich dad and he last polling net nationwide polling 15 percent you know and bernie's right around 31 i mean money buys a lot of thing so ok but you know we already brought up i said it in mind duction

you know trumped arrangements and drum people might be interested in michael bloomberg simply for that reason but zack what happens now it's our whole conversation is going to prove my point here we're talking about bloomberg and bernie sanders everybody else has been deleted ok now we'll have the next few months until the convention it's going to be this slugfest between these 2 and bernie will win ok and what that does is it and i agree with what he just said it's going to be voter suppression it's going to be people going to say why go vote ok this is the d.n.c. has screwed up again big time zach. completely agree yet the d. . you know we're really going to see this cycle how much money can buy you know last time hillary clinton had the whole you know corporate doowop leave behind her so she really did have a huge machine she'd been preparing for years for that election bloomberg not the same he's pouring as much money in we're watching the money burn which is funny you

know i'm thinking who is a bloomberg voters even have one yet mr burns from the simpson can't vote so i'm not even sure that he'll have any votes and that can make a great point you can buy support in the primaries but you can't buy support in the general election so the democrats again completely short sighted they're trying to submit an alternative that's not bernie since they clearly did as much as they could last time to stop bernie from getting the nomination they're trying it with bloomberg he's basically a skeleton up there and we're going to see how much money can't do it this time and it's going to be really interesting to see how plays out because it does seem like bernie should get the nomination given the momentum but the democratic party that's the last thing they want there's so much infighting still between the sanders camp and the former clinton camp the former obama camp i mean what is the are the next cox's going to be run by rob caucus apple going to find the results 2 weeks later in a puerto rican to your house there is going to be developed bloomberg is going to get

. really interested or is real meddling there there's real meddling there with robbie there that so that we can prove that empirically ok can you explain to me what's going on bernie is not even a democrat he's a socialist and bloomberg really isn't a democrat he's a republican how do the democrats find themselves in this situation. with the democrat the rest of them are not the rest of them are just corporate bought out pantsuits that are not supported by the representative of the american people anymore bernie sanders is the true democrat mike bloomberg is an actual republican who somehow decided to switch parties because that's how easy it is to do what. takes you just now i'm a democrat and now he's claiming to be one i think really what's happened here is that bernie sanders is clearly a threat to the elites and they're just hoping they were hoping with bloomberg and i think a lot of the players that we saw before the debates a lot of people are hoping that bloomberg out of the moderate group be the one that

would finally light people up would be the one that would finally have a moment momentum or movement behind him they thought he would be a lot more inspiring turns out he's not so they're sitting with what through different moderates at this point people are splitting the vote between those 4 moderates there's not a clear winner out of those 4 moderates bernie sanders is emerged as a clear winner on the on the progressive side elizabeth warren i think last night helped i think on the debates elizabeth warren helped bernie sanders with that because i think that she essentially took away i think she exposed michael bloomberg and this helped bernie i think because there was a bit worn is going to rise up in the papers people are going to be more indued to her and ultimately she's going to end up giving her delegates over to bernie sanders so the moderates on the other hand they don't have anybody running away with this i still think it's going to be brutal judge i don't think this is going to be a biden burning fight i mean i am sorry a bloomberg i have

a. bite and bernie. you want to jump in there zach. if i may i also don't think yeah i'm curious kim i also don't think they're going to let bernie actually end up being the nominee maybe booted judge seems possible but what would you say to all of the disenchanted bernie sanders supporters so exactly that watch the primary get started only on them trump has been calling that out trump is the only person who has been so overly commenting on how sanders had the nomination pulled out from under him literally trump is the only person bernie won't even embedded in the debate he called it russia yet again hillary is still parroting that lie we all know it's a lie how do you do anybody recently think bernie could take on trump while trump is talking the truth and bernie is going about what happened to him one of the things i think is very very interesting here and we go to moloch on this here after bloomberg performance and what we have seen witnessed him do with his money but

basically pay people that will say and do anything ok shamelessly all right but what that debate did is allow democrats to vote for bernie no it's ok now you've been given permission now ok and that this is not what the d.n.c. wanted of course but after that people that had these are lingering thoughts about bernie they saw that whole field the big careening the pettiness and and then the new d.n.c. guy you know is cardboard as the id is all of a sudden bernie you have permission it's ok now that's what they have done the d.n.c. strikes again go ahead mike. hater love bernie bernie is who he has been for as long as we've known bernie and that's one of the things that many people like about him he's a fighter he's consistent in that one person that we really haven't talked about is joe biden. going to well but i don't think that i'm going to have

a joe yeah but i don't think we should necessarily i don't think we should necessarily cancel biden out just yet. i mean we do have to wait until super tuesday and remember again that bloomberg is not on the ballot until super to tuesday but i think there are various going to be a huge generational gap and bernie supporter versus bloomberg supporters versus biden supporters and it will be interesting to see after we get past south carolina how well bloomberg does anywhere because i don't know who bloomberg or natural constituency is that's for us bernie i can clearly identify them as far as biden i can clearly identify them but bloomberg i don't know who it's natural consistency is and so i don't think that he's going to do very well i know who it is they don't that they all they all work on wall street ok that's his constituency ok. can cam i guess an i i think close but char is in the sunset right now i think warren trying to make up for her screw up with as insulting bernie sanders of being massaging as

that was a huge mistake on her part and i think she and she really alienated a lot of people so that now we get to one last person i want to talk about. where is he in all of this ok because he doesn't have the ground game he's not really good at retail politics but he's still liked by the media go ahead kim. well i actually start thinking is the lot of it to raj i still think he has no. if you want to call it a movement behind him in some way as people are more fired up about him they want to see somebody younger they want to see somebody who is fresh i think he was the emanuel across on of the united states and i think it really says a lot of the d.n.c. tried to put everybody against sanders you know they've had they tried by an hour by it is going to be the same you're going to have evidence at the kitchen table and then they said ok now on the record maybe it's really just maybe it's quid wish are and maybe it's bloomberg i still ultimately think out of those 4 candidates the

one who has the most fire behind them is actually blue to judge when it comes down to the this is right i mean yes wrong ok sack but i mean again there's going to be the perception real or imagined among bernie supporters that the d.n.c. is going to throw all their fire behind a smear pete and there's going to be again that sense of being cheated ok and like i said real or imagined in this in this in this race ok i think it was obvious in 2016 but the way the d.n.c. you know bloomberg gives them a ton of money that all of sudden change the rules we all know that that's a fact ok now if the d.n.c. pushes all the way behind me or pete there's going to be a sense of alienation and it will suppress the vote one bit it goes to you go ahead . that's right and you know you know he's always been smarmy but i thought in this recent debate he was particularly insufferable i don't think that he's going to win a lot of people overall though i do agree that he does kind of have this naive sense of oh someone new someone young but that's really you know the media is

certainly making out the whole democratic party to be much bigger than it is and much you know the you look at the trump rallies it's shocking to see some of these lines outside truck rallies in new jersey blue states you know there is going to be so many democrats voting republican this time around you know the democrat. aren't going to have anyone that really can compete to be honest i'll say it now but it could be booted judge it does just seem the to me the most obviously clear thing is that it's not going to be bernie they're not going to let him have it and you know could be booted judge i think biden has fossilised i don't think he's going anywhere and you know bloomberg he does have the name recognition from his media empire that i do think looks attractive to them in the general like what will he make it there will he be able to buy his way there i don't know i'm going to end on kim's observation if the democratic party respected voters they might have a chance in november but they haven't shown that respect that's all the time we

have many thanks to my guests in washington seattle and in los angeles and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time and remember. the.

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