i'm afshin rattansi and we're going underground ahead of a london trial that could decide the fate of all journalism and the ability of the public to understand how their consent is being manufactured by the powerful coming up on the show are you comfortably numb close to 10 years since collateral murder revealed nato nations indiscriminate targeting of journalists and civilians former pink floyd front man what your water slams the british government for persecuting wiki leaks founder julian assange plus greed in an industry exposed by wiki leaks as london fashion week shuts down its glamorous facade we talked to steve coogan and michael winterbottom about their satire on capitalism featuring the last ever on screen performance of u.k. celebrity caroline flack both of all coming up in today's going underground but 1st ahead of next week's hearings on the trial of julian assange still heard nothing from u.k. labor leadership contenders in defense of the wiki leaks publisher but one candidate

for deputy richard bergen has been speaking out going on the grounds fine ahmed caught up with him. i think important that we speak out against the actual vision of julian assange who could end up in prison in the united states of america for 175 years people have got to look at was his given reason was given rise to this situation you've got to look at the. crimes that we kill akes exposed the truth the wiki leaks spoken for example look at the. video which came out in 2010 a video which went around the world and horrified people showing innocent civilians in iraq being gunned down that wouldn't have been seen by other words if it hadn't have been quickly simulate the wall logs in relation to iraq and afghanistan and similarly the treatment of people in guantanamo bay it is because they were killing

the world knows about these things because of wiki leaks the world is seeing the evidence of these things vitally important in a democracy the. truth is known that we know what the powerful do in our name in the name of every citizen in this country so we need to speak up for what we believe says don't need to depend defend press freedom we need to speak out against the extradition of jews in the united states america through feeling these atrocities for revealing these crimes are really revealing the horrors of war and do you fair with boris johnson now with a large majority in parliament where the journal of genocide does get exercise the united states due for parcells and assad cracking down on press freedoms head. i think one of the great problems with this situation is that it's almost giving a warning to other journalists don't expose war crimes don't expose the truth don't expose the horrors of war because this may happen to you as well just imagine what

would have happened when you look at the vietnam war and the trust that is committed by the united. states america that if the journalists who expose those atrocities were prosecuted afterwards it's important that the world knows the truth and horror of war and we must carry on speaking out about this and just finally of course now john magaw and yourself have a pet is about the scope of their innocence but i wasn't as much what i was as much vocal support during the riots of the general election so will the labor party be mournful for sporting events and from now on well before the general election jeremy crowe been down our butts and myself and others spoke out against the extradition of julie the sound show leadership part so it was clear on these matters of course the labor party itself now has to decide what it wants a leadership going forward to be clear on these matters but it's a matter for labor members to decide if the labor leadership can they reject bergan

their joining me now is someone who refuses to be silent over julian songe things like co-founder roger waters roger thanks for coming in the studio at last a sign of a finely exactly you've been campaigning for julie as sancerre eloquently they have talked about them by richard berke and you know that the british guardian newspaper maybe channel 4 news if you watch that you could be forgiven for thinking you and which of bergen and others are basically campaigning for russian agent who's committed sex arrives i mean everything that he's said now in strew. how they're even having these sex dition. trial for julian assange is weird because it's goes completely contrary as we know to u.k. lol so our law the law of this country the little that supposed to represent all wear wigs or addition treaty with the elated today has a treaty but it specifically precludes anything that could be claimed to be

a political crime or a political misdemeanor which obviously this is because julian isn't she is only crime is to speak the truth to the people and he's speaking truth though to a powerful elite to do not want the truth spoken to the people to go to serve is obviously believes that the espionage act that hacking these are crimes that you can exude i think they do i think has 6 o. the powers that be in washington d.c. have decided that they want julian killed or at least imprisoned for the rest of his is health it's extremely poll. and they want to be locked up for that as an example it's frightening to know that any minute they could be that standard issue kicking in the door and your talk of you know stuck into beaumarchais where you will stay until they've had their way with you which is to silence you and any who

might follow you which is that which is i mean apart from the fact that julian assange. is clearly a great journalists he went he wouldn't and he went to places that other journalists were not going and he developed methods. to help we the people to find out the truth of what was going on in our names in other posts that look like as richard bergen was saying the collateral murder in baghdad well why do you think then that amnesty international has chosen to declare a songes new prisoner of conscience. i did not know that what an earth does not mean i mean i'm i'm asking you because you know you have said you can probably explain to me them what the hell is a prisoner of conscience they've come up amnesty have in the in the last few years

come up with some very strange fever some very strange things that are not necessarily based on anything that you and i might consider to be the fact of the matter how entrenched in these elite forces then kiss starmer secure stormer is one of the leading candidates to replace jeremy corbyn as leader of the opposition nearly oversaw as the head of the prosecution service here the edge persecution of julian. is it all through our society of course lace but you know politicians politicians that tricky animals because they've always got one eye on them on the meter they're always looking to see where they stand how much power they have how popular they are or they aren't horrific arenas have to perform and a lot of them says overkill for musicians to a very young aspiring musician later taylor swift as someone started talking like you presumably rick would do the recording companies would get quite alone at

alienating audiences well that it is true in my in my industry absolutely. there's not a greater straight talking coming out of i'm 76 years old i've been doing this for 55 years i was a vague you know not quite so. and also. i have survived to date was brits and counted to wrote a letter to the major m.o.p. saying that it was appalling that they were what is having tickets for my shows what they always claim is i'm a self of no a valid they said a woman of about long standing a valid anti semi who spreads a treat. that's a could according to them and they do it because i support b.d.s. because i support human rights lawyer because divestment and sanctions a vote could have essman and there was the e.u.

does not support explicitly do you think there's something different about this obviously jeremy corbin was heavily attacked for supporting palestine and bernie sanders whose relatives died in the holocaust some of been accusing bernie sanders of anti semitism trying to hang time the time to hang over in support of ellison his son is with the same code that they hung kolby him with by smearing smear tactics and this trait sure of judean is so this post of the using now with the with the flag. this is how we feel a lot of the time well the d.n.c. obviously has been religious to be attacking going to sound as over the primary season just as they did in 2016 where they prevented him from becoming the next president of the united states then could you see why people are thinking it's a russian agent because it stemmed from wiki leaks the main russian gate of the you

know russia has been the biggest waste of time literally wasting everybody's time for the last where did it come from i mean it's so due to chris there were about an identifiable ball steering the 2016 how in a minute what foreign countries interfering in american elections what about $100000000.00 that adelson has just given to donald trump to game re-elect 8 there's a little money arguably also going to certain interests in latin america trying to overturn the the old pink tide if we have a little bit of those we know that's how the game works on guy who was hosted by prime minister boris johnson in downing street he met with foreign secretary dominic rob what do you make of these pictures of him being feted here in london. it makes me want to throw up because guido is right wing thug who is used by the united states government as the figurehead in there or sent to overthrow the

jouni elected democratic. government of the sovereign country of venezuela in contravention of every international law and the un charter and everything else because why because they want to make money this isn't a hidden secret war leg during the eighty's this is the european union and britain both recognizing what it was or showed us how it was a city a state in the attack by neo liberal economics and the war mongering of the powerful elites how insidiously has wormed its way into places of power it's a bit like in germany the blondish coming out and declaring. b.d.'s upon a member not what they said but they had some if they seriously have well at all leadership labor candidates well the ugly greed that. how to i

i mean every time there's no election when i was a kid our front room was a committee room for the local labor party whoa the local labor party from 55 on and before that for the coming this party so my mom would be turning in no growth a lot of people have also been saying why do leftwing candidates like corbin like saunders talk about palestine why do they talk about venezuela these are irrelevant to me a real liberal destruction a manufacturing jobs why are they relevant because you always campaign on these particular issues that everyday people concerned about their own lives might not think relevant to them this trust me. 2 of my great heroes in life are ken loach and john pilger who sadly can't be areas in australia i go a note from him this morning but i've seen joan poaches 2 hour long documentary in its school the dirty war on the n.h.s.

and it's about the dismantling of the national health service in this country so if you really want to get me started i could weep. sitting here today knowing that the national health service which is the jury in the crown of the possibility that we might be moving towards a more equitable world of the world will see it being sold down the river by the boris johnson since i made. that as if this wealth just breaks my heart its design for it to be privatized any of it well be that more for roger waters of this short break for us is the death of british t.v. star caroline flack 3 new scrutiny of rupert murdoch's media empire we speak to a man at the heart of a u.k. inquiry into mainstream media nominated steve coogan about media manipulation and his new film greed satirizing the billionaires of the fashion industry told visible

coming up above to have going on to ground. 0. 0. 00 pm. this whole business about blaming russia by america is getting really pathetic because here's a guy who's effectively trying to dehumanizing a whole group of people slavic people of the stakes this is remarkably ironic

coming from white like. welcome back i'm still with roger waters the interconnectedness here that i'm really really addressing with you because julie discern jugglery we heard just now he's talking about guantanamo torture is dogging about the killing of journalists and civilians in iraq but then all of this talk about pharmaceutical companies and all sorts of corruption wrongdoing is all around the around the world you see this as a hugely interconnected as it is hugely interconnected and that's that's one thing that has me up somewhat is that people are in the streets in some of the out of the in chile right and where where where it started with a tiny crease in subway faces something that they've realized now that there is a movement in latin america and south america but also the in france

and maybe one day there will even be an uprising in the united kingdom to say you know enough so but it was well not rising to support johnson well supposedly he wanted to huge majority in poland was coming to i will come to that but you know before i do in colombia now even though they even though the government there is very very extremely right wing and there's a dictatorship in the people who are on a general strike the whole country is rising up as well and bolivia they're not they're refusing to accept the coup again u.s. financed coup that has just taken place getting rid of the jew the democratically games britain recognizes the new leader of bolivia well 1st johnson would say anything. i mean and i find it very difficult you know to keep straight face even

but the mention of that buffoons name. i'm sorry. half but it's no different than the united states where i live how do you get these people rise into these positions of extraordinary political power arguably donald trump so came to power in an antiwar ticket i mean i i spoke to judaism's in the ecuadorian embassy about how hillary clinton. could well of got us into a full scale war involving syria i'm sure she trump was an antiwar president yet and yet and yet the united states' involvement in the wars abroad has actually increased in this spending more money on it than they were in any previous administration under trump i mean and let's not write off the possibility that trump may do something radically insanely stupid at the behest of the neocons visit the iran able ready has murdering that monitoring customs eliminate again exactly well if you can get millions around the world to support julian assange like he is

a latter day nelson mandela. identity politics at least has been presumably there's been massive progress on it since you started out but even in their. own like josie manning who is refusing to testify against judaism and it's day 346 of her because our ancient tongue credit was a brave woman people think chelsea manning is a traitor and that she deserves everything that she gets the hatred was so intense music has been such a great part of rebellion against elites over history of obviously in south africa and so on presumably that's why you turned up outside the home office here to protest about the incarceration of julian assad's hardly any people turned up i have have to say are you saying that again propaganda hardly any people turned up and not a single word was printed in any english or american newspaper of that event

a powerful monarchy but obviously what journalists that all the television networks here would say no one told them don't cover roger waters singing wish you were here in ignorance of performance so it's a would it's in their heads oh. people aren't stupid where you think journalists are coming out and in day drove sin there hundreds of thousands to defend judea you don't have to write shit on people's forehead so they read it every morning when they go to shave they go oh look of mustn't step out of line or i won't get that promotion i was because i won't be given that job of this one how about what happens when you fly a big pig above a demonstration of the mother of all parliaments what are you drawing to do. get attention. like for instance a pig that we've got flying over here now. has got

a big picture of julian in the american flag over his face and it says free is in on the of the so it is describes the moment where it's going to stop from what's going to finish and the fact going to be on it and i'm going to open my big mouth in public so for may the pick has become a way of attracting attention to because people recognize it so it's familiar it's a bit like we don't need no education is familiar to most people it's in their mind so that in and if you want to get people's attention then and and and. you have access to iconic images so well it is lyrics and news do you think the tide is not turning in julia surges favor even some mainstream media outlets may be reporting on this trial starting on monday and realizing that the very same out of the reporting of the case may not be able to do journalism i

think. fingers crossed you know. one dreads to show any faith just at this particular moment where he's languishing in belmarsh in a tiny cell a man who's committed no crime and as we know the strings are being absolutely pulled from the united states it's a tiny courtroom and it's almost full of american advisors american lawyers sitting behind the english q.c. who's prosecuting these prosecuting the case so. blue we will those of us who care about democracy and freedom and human rights and more importantly running mate and the magna carta and english jurisprudence and the law desperately want to believe that the law will prevail because this is not the law

it's a kangaroo court and to have a kangaroo court taking place in my homeland distresses me beyond all believe is this what my father my grandfather died for no it's not we need to be able to rely on the law and this is sure or come on people let's that. take to the streets where i am or if you will just thank you well while julian assange just been mostly ignored by mainstream media one story that hasn't is the death of reality t.v. host caroline flack questions similar to those are asked after the deaths of princess diana and amy winehouse are being asked all over again about all agog newspapers and ironically flacks last on screen performance is to be in a film starring steve coogan himself at the heart of an inquiry into present thinks the film greed examines the dark side of the fashion industry from the perspective of a billionaire businessman going underground caught up with the film's director michael winterbottom and coogan on the red carpet and started by asking coogan about using

comedy to shine a light on the billionaire class the more clever more sophisticated super rich try to keep a low profile and don't attract attention to themselves if it. sucks someone who uses a inspiration if you like for this is someone who did it did attract attention to yourself deliberately and used in self. service they had a public figure at his company. and that in a way helped shine a light on the. super rich are you but that's all we were about were about people being supposed to do it people have money to do what they like but. such a mash. disparity between the super rich and the super poor. it comes about that people have to say what is acceptable you know. what you know and to talk about it because the one thing the super rich have is influence

a young they can influence politicians they can influence you can buy influence by interest in newspapers what they're able to do is to some extent you could control the brain agenda i'm really not stopped their gender they want to they want to frame is one where no one no one talks about this stuff and what we're trying to show is make me a story that michael winterbottom. he did say at the end of it the ending of a storm. of the haitian i'm salaries of the c.e.o.'s. pay the walks in bangladesh you know i marked out yeah it was some sort of so do you think that this kind of represents and some walking interests of various of the most basic of the council's cost of this film it's amazing how the federal i support filmmakers i support you know i support creativity what the problem with the industry is a constant tension between art and commerce and when given a choice i will always side with overcoming. what you find is that the world is run by people who are bottom line people who will always basically close ranks if that

if that the cartel of all ages have is and the threats just about be so i support my claim well we've seen over the past couple of years especially the political climate bill you know as the super rich are getting ever more scrutinized do you think comedy like this do you think is not helping with that sort of i think scrutiny that. i think you know i well meaning documentary that appeals to you know often is. preaching to the converted speech to the choir just say and. i think comedy is a really good way to you know using comedy as a way to show you the pill. of difficult subjects is there's a good thing you said it best to do comedy documentaries straight talk mostly about inequality and the way in which because it's grown over the last 40 years this felt like it you know and say the way you have a character like which we create a space create really start to be. that. mark is god i hope

people get by the end of the film feel that you know the world should be changed in some way and it has been reported of course sony that copy and of the film you did one c.e.o. salaries compared to the walkers but do you think that represents a kind of in some locking interests of you know the feeling as just by being in different industries. so do you think. that's a system of the parents' us monies because i think that they don't want the film as it's not by individuals i don't like one brand is bad one but it is good it's what you get the system the market forces all the brands can be set up so they all look over the world for the cheapest possible place where they go to fight each other and you know say i was here for then i'll go to bangladesh to get i get cheaper they get me a multi-year cheaper so it's like you know all the brands are doing all the brands use the same faction's images it's about began with you guys it's not say this part is a bad thing but if you think that the owners are is worth $60000000000.00 but the women who make the toasters are ok pay $0.50 an hour or $0.60 an hour whatever is to pay and what you wish to do in that gap is grotesque and what actions you want

consumers to take off the stock i think they should be i think the place guys is bless them because if you're going to be tried so look at look for i think you know i think all suppliers and that's great but that takes me like 5 buying for your age and is why they tend to be just expensive it is like leasing it makes some difference to the best way to you know the best way to change is i have got to say what we want we don't want companies be allowed to buy this or why do we want to break a system or you know we don't want the market to be out in these kind of principal holes all brands are kind of competing with other brands of one brand find a cheaper place they can pay you have pay for actually less but that's moving from $1.00 country to another that then that all the brands chasing plus the people it's all get richer and richer and richer just put all the money in a tax rate and just finally with the political climate now changing and so much awareness growing through where we are access do you think you have hope now that system's going to change i do i do think my unforeseen my adult life is coincide with that honest about god 1st i serve as it was margaret thatcher and since then

it's been a sense like you know you can argue with the market i do think that since the financial crisis really there's been a growing sense that something should change things should be fairer that is the rich we have richer and richer it doesn't matter that inequality doesn't matter i think people try to i think you do want to change steve coogan and michael winterbottom speaking to going underground far as i'm of there and greed is out now in cinema. all around the world that's it for the show will be back on monday with torture as the extradition trial of wiki leaks publisher. begins in london until then by social media and join the underground by subscribing to going on the go to you tube where you'll see exclusive interviews with julian on global power corruption and lies.

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