i think one of the great problems with this situation is that it's almost giving a warning to all the journalists don't expose war crimes don't expose the truth don't expose the horrors of war because this may happen to you as well just imagine what would have happened when you look at the vietnam war and the trust that is committed by the united states of america that if the journalists who expose those atrocities were prosecuted afterwards it's important that the world knows the truth and horror of war and we must carry on speaking out about this and just finally of course now john magaw and yourself have a pet is about this officer innocent but i wasn't as much what i was as much vocal support during the riots of the general election so will the labor party be more in full force sporting events on from now as well before the general election jeremy crowe been down our butts and myself and others spoke out against the extradition

of jeannie the sound show leadership say it was clear on these matters of course that i have politics out of my house to decide what it wants a leadership going forward to be clear on these matters but i'm not such a labor member suicide. the labor leadership candidate richard bergen there joining me now is someone who refuses to be silent over julian songe pink floyd co-founder roger waters roger thanks for coming in the studio at last this line of the finely exactly you've been campaigning for julia songe eloquently there you talked about there by richard bergen you know that the british guardian newspaper or maybe channel 4 news if you watch that you could be forgiven for thinking you and richard bergen and others are basically campaigning for russian agent who's committed sex crimes i mean everything that he's said now in strew. how they're even having these sex titian. trial for julian assange is

weird because it's goes completely contrary as we know to u.k. law so our law the law of this country the law that supposed to represent always tradition treaty with the united today has a treaty but it specifically precludes anything that could be claimed to be a political crime or a political misdemeanor which obviously this is because julian is sunshine is only crime is to speak the truth to the people and he's speaking truth to a powerful elite to do not want the truth spoken to the people to go to serve is obviously believes that the espionage act that hacking these are crimes that you can exude i think they do i think has 6 a well the powers that be in washington d.c. have decided that they want julian killed or at least imprisoned for the rest of his is health it's extremely poll. and and they want to be locked up forever as an

example it's frightening to know that any minute they could be that standard issue kicking in the door and you know. and i was stuck into bill marsh where you will stay until they've had their way with you which is to silence you and any who might follow you which is it which is i mean apart from the fact that julian assange. is clearly a great journalists he went he went in he went to places that other journalists were not going and he developed methods. to help we the people to find out the truth of what was going on in our names in other posts and the like as richard bergen was saying the collateral murder in baghdad well why do you think then that amnesty international has chosen to declare a songes new prisoner of conscience. i did not know that what an earth does not

me i mean i'm i'm asking you because you know you have worked so you could probably explain to me them what the hell is a prisoner of conscience they've come up amnesty have in the in the last few years come up with some very strange feels some very strange things that are not necessarily based on anything that you and i might consider to be the fact of the matter how entrenched of these elite forces then kissed starmer secure stormers one of the leading candidates to replace jeremy corbyn as leader of the opposition nearly oversaw as the head of the prosecution service here the edge persecution of julian. is it all through our society of course lace but you know politicians politicians that tricky animals because they've always got one eye on them on the meter they're always looking to see where they stand how much power they have how popular they are or they aren't horrific arenas have to perform and

the love of them says over government decisions to a very young aspiring musician later taylor swift as someone started talking like you presumably rick would do the recording companies would get quite alone at alienating audiences well that it is true in my in my industry absolutely. there's not a great you don't hear straight talking coming out of i'm 76 years old i've been doing this for 55 years i was a vague you know not quite so. and also. i have survived to date with but now brith had counted wrote a letter to the major m.o.p. saying that it was appalling that they were what is having tickets for my shows what they always claim is the i'm a self of no a valid they said a woman of about long standing a vowed anti semi who spreads

a treat. that's a could could and they do it because i support b.d.s. because i support human rights lawyer divestment and sanctions a vote could have essman and there was the e.u. does not support now explicitly do you think there's something different about this obviously jeremy corbin was heavily attacked for supporting palestine and bernie sanders whose relatives died in the holocaust this some of been accusing bernie sanders of anti semitism trying to hang time the time to hang over his supporters as well as on his son is with the same code that they hung coping with by smearing smear tactics and this straight through of julian is so this posted the now with the with the flag. this is why we feel a lot of the time well the d.n.c. obviously has been religious to be attacking bernie sanders over the primary season

just as they did in 2016 where they prevented him from becoming the next president of the united states but then could you see why people who think gays are russian agent because they stem from wiki leaks the gain russian gave the you know russia has been the biggest waste of time literally wasting everybody's time for the last where did it come from i mean it's so due to chris there were about an identifiable ball steering the 2016 how in a minute what foreign countries interfering in american elections what about $100000000.00 that adelson has just given to donald trump the game re-elected there's a lot of money arguably also going to certain interests in latin america trying to overturn the the old pink tide if we have a little bit of those we know that's how the game works on going to was hosted by prime minister boris johnson in downing street he met with foreign secretary dominic rob what do you make of these pictures of him being feted here in london.

it makes me want to throw up because guido is of the right wing thug who was used by the united states government as the figurehead in there or sent to overthrow the julie elected democratic. government of the sovereign country of venezuela in contravention of every international law and the un charter and everything else because why because they want to make money this isn't a hidden secret war leg during the eighty's this is the european union and britain both recognizing what it was your show is how it was a city a state in the attack by near liberal economics and by the war mongering of the powerful elites how insidiously has wormed its way into places of power it's a bit like in germany the blondish coming out and declaring. b.d.s.

upon it member now what they said but they had to submit it they say so you have well i mean all leadership labor candidates well the arguably agree that you know. how to. i mean every time there's no election when i was a kid our front room was a committee room for the local labor party what the local labor party from 55 on and before that for the compass botti so my mom would be turning in no growth a lot of people have also been saying why do leftwing candidates like corbin like saunders talk about palestine why do they talk about venezuela these are irrelevant to me a real liberal destruction a manufacturing jobs why are they relevant because you always campaign on these particular issues that everyday people concerned about their own lives might not think relevant to them this trust me. 2 of my great heroes in life are ken

loach and john pilger who sadly colby areas in australia ago a note from him of this morning but i've seen joan poaches 2 hour long documentary in its school the the dirty war on the n.h.s. and it's about the dismantling of the national health service in this country so if you really want to get me started i could weep. it's a day now in the national health service which is the jewel in the crown of the possibly that we might be moving towards a more equitable world off the wall to see it being sold down the river by the boris johnson. that says if this world. just breaks my heart its desire for it to be privatized and held it be that roger waters up in this short break plus is the death of british t.v.

star caroline flack renewed scrutiny of rupert murdoch's media empire we speak to a man at the heart of a u.k. inquiry into mainstream media nominated steve coogan about media manipulation and his new film greed satirizing the 1000000000 is of the fashion industry old visible coming to have going underground. and we're going to fulfill the repeated promises apologise to the people i promise you know we've all pots the truth.

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i 1st heard about wiki leaks. from the helicopter footage in iraq. i think it down to people or do you mean i mean us military who have never forgiven him for this guy's a traitor a treasonous and and he has broken every law the united states illegally shoot some of us really historic to have. independent journalist a guy with his computer exposing to see who is what crimes and to a global audience. the idea of developing an anonymous box and applying it to a media organization is what he makes that was the 1st. i didn't the toy interest i think that he would be for a short while world friend in room one of the world's most powerful news organizations clearing the standard founder julian

a song in the sun over the sun and there was a great deal of jealous in the mainstream towards him particularly why won't he be more like off that you seem. sneering feces on the walls. smile. we have julia in solitary confinement in the prison for terrorists away team that has a life in person the person. i don't want to see him die in a prison. and i think that's what he's facing.

welcome back i'm still with roger waters the interconnectedness here that i'm really addressing with you gives julian a certain drug that we should just now he's talking about guantanamo torture he's talking about the killing of journalists and civilians in iraq but then all of his talk about pharmaceutical companies and all sorts of corruption wrongdoing in these all around the around the world you see this as a hugely interconnected says it is hugely interconnected and that's that's one thing that may help somewhat is that people are in the streets in some of the other though in chile right and where where where it started with a tiny crease in subway faces something that they've realized now that there is a movement in latin america and south america but also the in france and maybe one day there will even be an uprising in the united kingdom to say you know enough so but it was the other uprisings as

a border johnson well supposedly he wanted to huge majority in poland was coming to our will come to that but you know before i do in colombia now even though they even though the government there is very very extremely right wing and there's a dictatorship in the people who are on a general strike the whole country is right now as well and bolivia they're not they're refusing to accept the coup. again u.s. financed coup that has just taken place getting rid of the julie democratic again britain recognizes the new leader of bolivia well 1st johnson would say anything. i mean and i find it very difficult you know to kape a straight face even but the mention of that buffoons name i'm sorry. half but it's no different than the united states where i live how do you get these people rise into these positions of extraordinary political power arguably donald

trump though came to power antiwar ticket i mean i i spoke to judaism's in the ecuadorian embassy about how hillary clinton could well of got us into a full scale war involving syria i'm sure she trump was an antiwar. yes and yet and yet united states involvement in the wars abroad has actually increased in their spending more money on it than they were in any previous administration under trump i mean and let's not write off the possibility that trump may do something to plead sanely stupid at the behest of the neocons visibly iran is already has murdering that murdering customs eliminate again exactly well if you can get millions around the world to support julian a songe like he is a latter day nelson mandela. identity politics at least has been presumably there's been massive progress on it since you started out but even in their. own

like jails the manning who is refusing to testify against really isn't it's day 346 of her exacerbations ton credit what a brave woman people think chelsea manning is a traitor and that she deserves everything that she gets the hatred was so intense music has been such a great part of rebellion against elites over history obviously in south africa and so on presumably that's why you turned up outside the home office here to protest about the incarceration of julie the surge hardly any people turned up i have have to say are you saying that's again propaganda hardly any people turned up and not a single word was printed in any english or american newspaper of that event a powerful monarchy but obviously what journalists that all the television networks here would say no one told them don't cover roger waters singing wish you were here

in ignorance of performance so it's a would it's in their heads. oh. people aren't stupid where you think journalists are coming out and in bed drove sit in their hundreds of thousands to defend judea you don't have to ride to people's foreheads so they read it every morning when they go up to shave they go oh look of mustn't step out of line or i won't get that promotion i was because i won't be given that job over this what about what happens when you fly a big pig above a demonstration of the mother of all parliaments what are you drawing to do will get attention that for instance a pig that would go flying over here now. has got a big picture of the american flag over his face and it says free is in on the of the so it is describes the moment where it's going to start from what's going to finish in the going to be on it and i'm going to open my big mouth in public so.

the made the pick has become a way of attracting attention to because people recognize it so it's familiar it's a bit like we don't need no education is familiar to most people it's in their minds so that in and if you want to get people's attention then and and and. you have access to iconic images so well it is lyrics and news do you think the tide is not turning in julia surges favor even some mainstream media outlets maybe reporting on this trial starting on monday and realizing that the very same out there that the reporting of the case may not be able to do journalism i think. fingers crossed you know. one dreads to show any faith that just at this particular moment where he's

languishing in belmarsh in a tiny cell a man has committed no crime and as we know the strings are being absolutely pulled from the united states it's a tiny courtroom and it's almost full of american advisors american lawyers sitting behind the english q.c. who's prosecuting these prosecuting the case so blue we will those of us who care about democracy and freedom and human rights and more importantly running mate and the magna carta and the english jurisprudence and the law desperately want to believe that the law will prevail because this is not the law it's a kangaroo court and to have a kangaroo court taking place in my home and distresses me beyond all belief is this what my father my grandfather died for no it's not we need to be able to rely

on the law and this is a sure or come on people let's that it's. take to the streets where i am or if you will just thank you well while julian assange has been mostly ignored by mainstream media one story that hasn't is the death of reality t.v. host caroline flack question similar to those are asked after the death of princess diana and amy winehouse being asked all over again about all agog newspapers and ironically flacks last on screen performance is to be in a film starring steve coogan himself at the heart of an inquiry into president thinks the film greed examines the dark side of the fashion industry from the perspective of a billionaire businessman going underground caught up with the film's director michael winterbottom and coogan on the red carpet and started by asking coogan about using comedy to shine a light on the billionaire class the more clever more sophisticated super rich try to keep a low profile and don't attract attention to themselves if it. has stopped someone

who uses a inspiration if you like for this is someone who did did attract attention to yourself you deliberately used him self. as sort of as they go ahead public figure at his company. and that in a way helped shine a light on the sort of the. super rich are you but that's what we were about about people being exposed to do people have money to do what they like but. there's such a mash. disparity between the super rich and the super poor but it comes about the people have to say what is acceptable you know. what you know and to talk about it because the one thing the super rich have is influence a young they can influence politicians they can influence you can buy influence by interest in newspapers and what they're able to do is to sell things that you could control the brain or janitor i'm really not stopping the gender they want to they

want to crime is one where no one no one talks about this stuff and what we're trying to do so is make me a story that michael winterbottom. he did say at the end of it the ending of a storm. of the haitian i'm salaries of the c.e.o.'s. pay the walks in bangladesh you know i marked out yeah it was some sort of so do you think that this kind of represents and some walking interests of the various the most basic of the council's cost of this film it's amazing i support filmmakers i support i support creativity what the problem with this industry is the constant tension between art and commerce and and when given a choice i will always side with overcoming. what you find is that the world is run by people who are bottom line people who will always basically close ranks if that if that the cartel of all ages have is that a threat just about the so i support my claim well we've seen over the past couple of years especially the political climate bill you know as the super rich are

getting ever more scrutinized so do you think comedy like this do you think is not helping with that sort of i think scrutiny that. i think you know i well meaning documentary that appeals to you know often is. preaching to the converted speech to the choir just say and. i think comedy is a really good way to you know using comedy as a way to show you the pill. of difficult subjects is there's a good thing you said it best to do comedy i don't like documentaries straight talk about inequality and the way in which because it's growing over the last 40 years this felt like it you know and say the way you have a character like which we create a space and create really start to be. that. market and hopefully people get by the end of the film feel that you know the world should be changed in some way and it has been reported of course sony did copy and of the film you did one c.e.o.

salaries compared to the walkers but do you think that represents a kind of in some locking interests of you know the feeling as just by being in different industries. so do you think. that's a systems approach to paying a ransom money because i think that they don't want the film it's not by individuals i don't like one brand is bad one brand is good is what you get the system the market forces all the brands compete against other over the world for the cheapest possible places they go to fact it should say i was here for then i'll go to bangladesh to get i get cheaper they get me a multi-year cheaper so it's like you know all the brands are doing all the brands use the same factions a much as it's about to get in with you guys it's not say this part is a bad thing but if you think that the owners are is worth $60000000000.00 but the women who make the toasters are ok pay $0.50 an hour or $0.60 an hour whatever is to pay and what you wish to do in that gap is grotesque and what actions you want consumers to take off the stock i think they should be i think the place guys is bless them because if you can we take a look at look for i think i think all suppliers and that's great but that takes me

like 5 buying free range and why they tend to just get expensive it's like leasing it makes some difference to the best way to you know the best way to change is i have got to say what we want we don't want companies to be allowed to buy this why do we want to break a system or you know we don't want the market to be the only kind of principle holds all brands of kind of competing with other brands of one brand find a cheaper place where you can pay you have pay for actually less but that's moving from one country to another that then that all the brands chasing us plus the people it's all get richer and richer and richer just put all the money into taxation and just finally with the political climate now changing and so much awareness going through where we are access do you think you have hope now that system is going to change i do i do think my unforeseen my adult life is coincided with the tone of the market 1st i serve as it was margaret thatcher and since then it's been a sense like you know you can argue with the market i think that since the financial crisis really there's been a growing sense that something should change things should be fairer that is the rich we have richer and richer it doesn't matter that inequality doesn't matter i

think people are tired i think you do want to change steve coogan and michael winterbottom speaking to going underground far as i am of there and greed is out now in cinema. all around the world that's it for the show will be back on monday with torture as the extradition trial of wiki leaks publisher judy the sun begins in london until then keep in touch via social media and join the underground by subscribing to going on the go to you tube where you'll see exclusive interviews with julian assange on global power corruption and lies. this whole business about blaming russia america is getting really pathetic because here's a guy who's effectively trying to dehumanizing whole group of people slavic people in the states this is remarkably ironic coming from white flight.

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race in. spearing dramatic development the only place really i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very. time to sit down and talk. ok to use to.

supporters of the jailed wiki leaks founder julian assange march in solidarity head of his extradition hearing a number of celebrities addressed to the protestors in london. and memory is not told it's a total shock i think all the sun is provided. a safe place for information to go on they don't want dissidents they don't they want what looks like a free press. russia is accused of backing both republicans and democrats in the 2020 presidential election with anonymous sources in the media now saying the president wants to help bernie sanders. and you leader.