and only our voices are heard so ok point pizza a lot of people means it's a part of like so much both of you are out of time thank you for your time today great to chat to you thank you thank you very much for that so we've got time for this i'll back in 30 minutes with the latest stay with us and all the international . join me every 1st week on the alex salmond show and i was speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm showbusiness i'll see that. the man that margaret found it impossible to touch the man she witnessed shooting her husband at point blank range was robin jackson. jackson was supported on loyalist who became one of the conflicts most prolific killers. he was also an

r.u.c. agent nicknamed the jackal. 5 days before pat campbell's murder a man in whose home police had found 64 kilograms of explosives 2 grenades and over 5000 rounds of assorted ammunition had named jackson as his accomplice. however police failed to arrest jackson meanwhile he is of liberty to murder part campbell. jackson of being a member of the ulster defense regiment then the largest regiment in the british army. he was later involved in the massacre of the miami showband in july 975 when 3 band members were killed by members of the clan gang as they attempted to plant a bomb on the musician's boss. loyalist paramilitaries horace boyle and wesley somerville were killed instantly as the bomb exploded prematurely.

well the ulster defense regiment was the largest regiment in the british army it was geographically recruited here and the north of ireland and it only served here in the north of ireland it was essentially a counterinsurgency unit that was set up the big end of the troubles. that itself took over from the discredit the specials which was a special place philip thought it existed since the. 1920 s. . and it was clear from the outset that the u.d.r. was set up to recruit from within the loyalist unionist community. they were almost entirely drawn from within the community. declassified documents from british sources from the prime minister's office from the ministry of defense secretary of state's office make it quite shockingly clear that from the perspective of the british government it was acceptable to recruit so into the regiment who was an octave loyalist paramilitary who was a member of

a loyalist paramilitary group. there's no doubt that the creation of the else the defense regiment was influence for the british show me boy the experience in the empire these kinds of locally right regimens what controls and commanded by british offices and as any intrinsic palls in the chain of command bridge show me were common through all of the counterinsurgency campaigns there was a real and genuine hype at the instigation of the regiments that it would be truly cross community added would be nonsectarian in character but it became apparent very quickly that that was not going to be the case and the british army was willing to live with the consequences which was that this would be in many ways a sectarian regiment. many people from the in this community joined the regiment to

get weapons training and to stay the weapons and according to the official documents that we funded the u.d.r. was the largest single source of modern weapons flowing to the loyalist paramilitary groups it was a recipe for disaster. and one of the things we noticed whenever we started to do the research was the large numbers of gongs that were disappearing from both are you see a new day our armory and places like plan u.t.r. various this is like territory on. it was our volunteer force and. now we have a pictorial of just the devastating effect that one of these going to get out of this is main millimeter starting submachine gong stolen from. on the 20th 24th to man 1991 and subsequently used to kill a lot of people and seriously injured memories all the people and the attacks were these are the people that i. was with the charge also shows is who was using these

columns on here we can see that some of the people who were involved in these in these columns were also members of the r.t.c. on the u.d.r. . and we can also see as they say who all was killed on one of those people who was killed and one of the force that acts with us was used was with my own father who was killed and on the farms over a bridge. behind. we do know as a matter of combs as a matter of. looking for process that is the domain of the eye you see the r.u.c. the police was created in the early 1920 s. at the same time as the state of northern ireland was created and it reflected the contested nature of the state it was almost 93 percent drawn community and as a both part time element on a full time element there was a militarized force from the outset it was framed on the colonial model of british

police and that's how the very fraught and fractious relationship with the. nationalist community. as a nonviolent civil rights movement korean force in the late 1960 s. it was the reaction of the r.u.c. to the. attacks on the 1st civil rights marches by the police that actually energies the movement. of people unless. the fuse for the conflict at the time. then in the 1960 s. and 1969 in particular we had a situation where there was coordinated loyalist attacks protectee on the catholic population of belfast tens of thousands forced to flee their homes the irish army set up refugee camps along the border which put up the refugees flee in the north amok was striking about these attacks was that the r.u.c. the police actually took part in the attacks on the catholic community and belfast

at the time. so instead of preventing them they were active participants in the burning of whole streets in belfast at the time. on the 5th of june 1906 the gang attacked a small rural pope called the rock bar near kiddie county arm out. approaching the pope they shot a local man called mick mcgrath as he left the building. they then detonated a nail bomb which failed to explode. what was striking about this particular attack was that all those involved were members of the local police force the r.u.c. with some on duty as the attack took place. and summing up and sentencing these police officers the lord chief justice went so

far as to claim and i quote that they were trying to rid the land of pestilence but that's the kind of language that nazi shoes but use. a very important landmark for the campaign and and 999 was the fact that reacquired they offered a bit of john wayne was. a former sergeant and they are you see. he had been convicted of the merger a man called william strathairn and he had served 7 years in prison. prepares an affidavit. it became available to us in the spring of $9099.00. for the 1st time i realized that the dog monaghan bombings was linked to so many other attacks north of the

border. to the miami show. and the cast of. the margin of john francis all of which took place in the republic. in february on judge baron who was conducting a inquiries into the. mesh with john we are in paris. john we are in paris at the same time. and i know. we arranged for the past for no consent or to meet with them at that time as. i think that the significance of the meeting with we are we were able to test his offer to be able to test the evidence. we spent several days with them to put different parts of the jigsaw together. thanks to him and thanks to all their

evidence it was because. of course he was central to the killing. ember of our special patrol group special patrol probe was a section of the or you see it there would have been. the antiterrorist squad the death but the riots of the store bones. we did not deal with audrey police to teach us to distracted men. who liked that type of auction so it would have attracted officers who would tended to to be

more militant than the ordinary policeman. was approached by gary armstrong in that so they explained to me. we should take the war to the are your instead of setting dark it was i think a lot of people's belief that they are your it was being a law it to operate without much opposition much endurance the experience to me they had already started this by. gone bomb attack on the rock bar outside. be asked me if i would be interested in joining what they were doing. i told them i would need to know more about it yes of course i would be interested but they did explain to me that the war quite a number of people involved. after without

a meeting was arranged. lawrence mccleary was there. lawrence explained to me it was only right he should tell me. a lot of jobs had been gone up until that. surcharge stockland monahan bombings. really face. bridge. bar bombing and shooting. the chrono virus that hour has proven this point because even though all the while and supply lines are choked and deliveries of critical parts are not happening

stocks are still stable or going higher because it's fed by cheap money right it's all cheap money that cheap money is is created out of nothing to create the simulation going. all of the sense to. put themselves on the line. to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. or somehow want to. have to go right to the press it's like about 43 in the morning can't be good but i'm interested in the waters and last. question. some of the or you see men where names were involved over many years and the number of fatal bombings and shootings alongside paramilitaries in the ost of all interior force they include are you see man william of coffee

a self-confessed killer. also are you see reserve constable lawrence mcclure police to be one of the gangs most experienced bomb makers who was convicted of causing an explosion and possession of firearms at the rock bar for which however the only received a suspended sentence are you see constable ian mitchell was also convicted of causing him explosion at the rock bar and possession of firearms but similarly only received a suspended sentence gary armstrong who were also names escaped any conviction in the rock bar attack a low the historical enquiries team a police unit set up to investigate historical murders says he was clearly a principal founder. your book penned by armstrong after his release from prison he clearly details his role in the rock bar attack in a chapter called. fulfilled potential. between the middle of

1972 when the guy really started its work until the end of 975 that's less than 3 as the guy had killed 89 people. in one month alone in april 9075 fastpass and they killed was dorothy trainer a protestant woman walking home with a catholic husband through portadown. within 3 days they'd killed martin mcveigh who was murdered as he cycled home from work in the same town. a couple of weeks later they blew up a little cottage that was being renovated killing 2 brothers and a sister and the sister's unborn baby girl. and by the end of the month they'd also killed a man called owen boyle who had been sitting at his kitchen table looking at photographs of his newborn baby girl so there in just one month in one small geographical area you had 4 separate attacks in which 7 people were killed in these attacks were

remorseless and they ratcheted up the pressure until the end of 975 when a completely new development took place. as with previous attacks the modus operandi of the gang was to strike 2 targets almost simultaneously. in a white cross country the revie family sat down to watch a popular t.v. show when gunmen entered the family home 24 year old john martin was hit as he sat in his chair while 22 year old brian was shot in the back trying to escape into a nearby bedroom. anthony the youngest brother dived underneath the bed for cover before the gunmen sprayed the bed with bullets. the other way around they heard them going i'd through the front door and get me into the car on north bay now to anybody that i had among the bad and i was here at pozen brian who was in the bible

as a file these posts on a us he was dead. on the adi c'mon up into the kits and then on john martin he was lyin in a pearl of blood on a field his paws on it on a near it was all the dead. at around the same time gunmen burst into the home of the family only 17 miles away and by the dog and country done. again the intention was to wipe out an entire family. as they rushed their way into the house they opened fire in barney wood who was hits a number of times his brother joe who attempted to charge the gunman was killed instantly. but i was shot 1st and many are. as fun me around and sunday by the time i knew. the barrios tad. because. he was in the ring at a we were in. but i crawled out into the hallway. back to the

body was layin there to you a well as an intensive care of course and was there for a week. the doctor here marar not mourning it. has years should be real hey if things are banned to cordon logic if you shouldn't be here. because those are a ball of go one step for your heart. for noble perjury and then there were these. words now they're both are grossly nor muscle to stop what but a threat 90 percent term and took great kidney with. settled 3 members of the old guard family and to review brothers lay dead 17 year old anthony revie died later and hospital. for the men's killings was swift and brutal

. the following evening a minibus of textile workers was stopped by members of the ira in king's mills not far from the review home where the killings had taken place the night before. these pictures tell a story of the horror that followed. up to 20 gunman surrounded the minibus its catholic driver taken to safety the bus loads on board moaned on most of us late. policeman who arrived shortly afterwards told of bodies piled on top of one another . the gore and the personal effects give a hint of a conic. when we met joan weir and paris one of the burning questions we had is why he and the others in the gang and not retaliated for the king's well massacre. as on so it was chilling he told us there was a plan and the plan was to attack a primary school to kill all the children in the school to kill the teachers we

asked him why it didn't go ahead and he told us because the e.v.f. leadership in belfast believed that the plan came from army headquarters came from military intelligence a been planted that milledge intelligence wanted the whole situation to spiral out of control and this was too much for the a.v.f. and they refused to go ahead even for them it was a step too far. the plot. that was decided on. was to shoot top were a school. in police. just on the outskirts of leaks. so when you say shoot it was true during show the procedure the screw children teachers yes. yes.

you're into. 'd yes i do indeed yes i do indeed. move. if that's hard hop and. i think there is nearly died. there would have been a shocking retaliation. from the republican side. retaliation from the republican side. it would have eventually. in a fairly short time i should say they told us quite the contrary into. trouble. civil war situation i think the contrie was almost already in a civil war situation but if that happened. even the moderates.

on both sides were going to have to take sides and the was going to be. there was going to be a serious serious civil war. we had a meeting with the chief constable the most senior police officer and the p s i accompanied by an assistant chief constable at their headquarters and we asked them . what they intended to but the fact that a former police sergeant william a car out of it that it publicly that he was also part of the plan to kill 30 children out of scope and their teachers. there was a pause they looked at each other and they told us that nothing happened on the was no intention of doing anything. he wasn't to be arrested important to be reinvestigated nothing would happen. and i think at that moment after we left.

we talked about it and we realized that where else in europe would a former police officer to plan to kill a large number of children and a school this former employer would say that he had no plans to reinterview him as a result. of dunning street in london the british prime minister harold wilson was faced with what he called himself an apocalyptic crisis northern ireland was spinning out of control and civil war could not be ruled out. amongst the options he considered were a dried withdraw and self government if the people of the north were on governable he could not govern them. in an atmosphere of near panic wilson called a council of war at his official country retreat checkers. the peaceful buckinghamshire countryside. also present was the secretary of state for defense. and the secretary of state for northern ireland martin reese on the security side

team was headed by so david house the general officer commanding northern aren't. well wilson attempted to control the worsening situation the hawks within british military intelligence hoped for a different outcome. where all out war could be waged on the ira. in the meantime. were slaughtering anyone but republican targets. so we asked ourselves why why these people and we drew up 2 lists one was of people who were unlucky enough to be caught up in indiscriminate car bombs and the other this was a people who were targeted or watched chased hunted at their work or at their home and we discovered to our surprise that every single one of those bar one. self starters people were making something of their lives they were ordinary people and then we asked ourselves why why these people. and the theory we came to was that

frank kitson in his classic manual of counterinsurgency operations rhodes that if you can't catch the fish either by rod or net then poison the water and author areas that these ordinary people were targeted to persuade other ordinary people to repudiate the irate to withdraw support from the ira course didn't work had the opposite effect violence begets violence if people can't trust the law they would take the law into their own hands it was completely counterproductive as well as illegal and immoral i think the stage we've reached as a longer stand. but i'm an. illegal cooperation. cooperation between. members of the security force. sometimes as high. tech in the 1980 s.

and ninety's. crime of collusion and the. criminal acts by police officers. and it's been a phenomenon through the troubles. of many. years deniable 3rd forces in order to insurgency. i think the rule of law here. at the security forces felt that they couldn't because and theory they were by the rule of law and so they could use deniable 3rd forces to do it for. the russian lives on the sequel has just been released starring of course donald trump but also now sanders indeed russia gate is achieved. also turkey

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