of arguably the journalism trial of the century around the world though julius on his fight for freedom in a london court has made headlines including in india where journalists found time to cover the wiki leaks founder is playing to mit's donald trump state visit joining me now from northampton massachusetts is professor the jaipur who has been following signs of sectarian violence in the world's largest democracy andrews message in support of a songe was read out by pink floyd founder roger waters in pomona square this week thanks so much for jay for coming on before we get to the multimillion multi $1000000000.00 arms deals in india with the donald trump your reaction to the trial here in london you know the fact is that journalists like you and i who cover war who cover the destruction of countries or an immense debt to people like julian a science nobody believes you until you have hard evidence and they give it to us and i think really that's the reason why the us sure looks you know determined to get a scientist to humiliate him to destroy him it's to sort of what the story of walk

crimes and torture back into the bottle and make this a story about somebody they demonized in such a criminal way my feeling is that he's not going to get anything like a fair trial and it's really quite a shame for journalism in general you might have to remind us actually there was a wiki leaks us cable showing the international red cross met with u.s. officials in delhi about warnings of detention and torture by indian authorities in cash when one learns these things when leaks come we know it's happening i mean we don't need these leaks in fact we have people on the record talking about how they've been tortured but it hasn't done enough to shake this government particularly against its quite criminal policies against certain targeted populations ok what i have to say they deny commission did come on this program to tell us that there is no arbitrary detention or torture currently. being meted out

in the in kashmir as you can imagine that's the indian government's position that's as good or what your understanding of what happened in delhi away from all the media coverage of trumps a visit to good giraffe i mean the fact is that for the last 6 years the population of india is being put under enormous what we in india call communal stress a communal is the word used to describe sectarian differences sectarian tensions sectarian violence so you know the more the government has prosecuted of far right and the muslim agenda from the 1st when it came into office and this case skating set of pressure put on indian society erupted last year in november and december when the more the government push for what they call the citizenship amendment bill and then the citizenship amendment act this was an incredibly discriminatory piece of legislation that suggested that only non muslims who live in the neighborhood of

india are welcome to india if they're discriminated you've got to understand that india has a population of 200000000 muslims the bin wasn't tended to engender fear in the hearts of 200000000 muslims and all those who think that the b.g.p. and its parent organization officious to god it says that their agenda must not go forward what it actually provoked in the b.g.p. miscalculated was mass protests across india from a silver id of communities not just indian muslims arguing against the citizenship amendment back against the us says be should be agenda and end at least they have been several citizens led mainly by muslim women and what's happened is beach m.p. politicians have arrived up people used language such as by a bullet sent them and so on they have not been arrested they've not been pressing . you did and it basically door dick god to political people to go out on the

street and create violence this is not the 1st time we've seen gunfire against unarmed protesters and i'm sure to not be the last time most i think egregiously the central government that's more these government could drools the delhi police the b j p denies it's discriminatory against muslims that it's targeting muslims but you know the media this week has been talking not about that so much it's been talking about the amazing pictures that we got from our ground but obviously from good drama when trump said he was going to sell $3000000000.00 whether weapons to india what do you make of what position modi is in because some are saying actually rather than being a great powerful that list leader he's being outflanked by washington by don't trump and the old imperial divide and rule between china and india the trumpet ministration as bush something that it calls the indoor pacific strategy the idea

of the in the pacific strategy is to your japan australia india and the united states into a you know a real alliance against china particularly china's bedded road initiative morgan stanley says that china by 2027 will spend about $1.00 trillion dollars on the bed and road initiative so the united states government is trying to draw countries with small grants saying if we give you for instance $500000000.00 through the millennium challenge corporation you then have to come on us side and not have links with the chinese bed at road initiative well it does that the japanese and the australians both have sort of each you know in story from the united states because they understand that the role of china and asia is quite vital china is you know in a sense unifying as yes very hard to stay out of that. mr moore the on the other

hand is quite comfortable being the subordinate ally of the united states government is india now fundamentally broken 410000000 in poverty according to the un it's sending rockets to the moon obviously more poor people in the india than the whole of sub-saharan africa and just these a congress party fighting over hereditary leadership is it fundamentally broken is the new light in the tunnel well the light in the tunnel is the fact that you have hundreds of thousands of people on the street protesting the b.g.p. agenda i think the problem is a similar problem in many so-called democracies are not time these are sort of places where mass politics is being corrupted by money has been corrupted by the manipulations of whatsapp and so on that's a serious question the united nations for instance shouldn't panel a commission to discuss money and democracy it's not just a problem in india it's a serious problem in the united states in the united kingdom and in other countries

which you know pretend to have a democratic country or democratic process i should just ask very briefly obviously pakistan was not happy about the arms deal given the worst attacks on the mainland united states emanated from the pakistani border with afghanistan and of course saudi arabia do you think trump is putting the united states of past peril as pakistan views this multi-billion dollar arms deal with it's in effect enemy set me up on the nuclear armed line of control i mean i think that there's a lot of lines being drawn around this china u.s. axis pakistan's certainly is a deep part of the chinese bed and wrote project the united states is trying to cut a deal in afghanistan to bring a pro us government in power there this is something that the pakistanis don't want they don't want to prove us through indian government in kabul in denby outflanked you know this is all a very dangerous kind of politics this is not a quality. yes this is

a politics of belief and the united states by so closely allied with india by trying to eliminate bugs sun as much as possible is just fanning the flames in southern is year around the hindu kush region professor of egypt thank you well while julian it's on to fight for freedom in london we can leaks continues to challenge nato narratives of chemical weapons use in syria because nato nation media looks the other way preparing to promote the narratives of syrian rebels president assad supporters are claiming new victories against what they say a u.k. u.s. backed al-qaeda in that country joining me now is iranian scola professor mohammad marandi who's been traveling on one of the most important highways in the middle east from damascus via it live to aleppo thank you so much for coming on the show you've been driving up one of the most important highways what is it like because nato nation media is only full of stories about russia and syrian air strikes killing women and children in hospitals and schools 0 mass what sane person is

going to believe that the white helmets that are based and have nothing to do with their nostra up front with al qaeda with. their charm can only be there with their permission and i've visited places in syria where the white house mit's buildings were right beside al-qaeda buildings and front of it had to hear a sham they keep rebranding themselves and they have different names but. across this region the white house minutes have been working hand in hand with out what the united states wants and what western european countries want and we can hear huge explosions right now is this country to be weak and divided because their policy is to strengthen the israeli regime at the expense of regional countries where you're on the road to damascus retreat damascus and. unless the u.n.

is saying 170000 sleeping rough in it live as they say i think you can hear the bombs around you which again the television here in nato nations is saying is russian and syrian air strikes killing women and children did you see any evidence of it i don't know about the numbers but what i can say if the united states neighboring countries saudi arabia and others were not aiding al qaeda this would have been over a long time ago this resistance that they're putting up against searing arm the syrian army and its allies can only have taken place with the help of these foreign actor so for them to be fearful of the general population is utterly hypocritical they have brought about this devastation no one is more responsible for the cities and the damages and the deaths and destruction that we've seen in syria and the united states government whether under obama or and

their european and regional allies in client states your understanding is that aleppo is free i understand you've been up to aleppo as well yes right now where to the south of aleppo alongside the highway right now i can hear explosions as i speak the people in the city are in a much better situation than they were before overwhelming majority of the syrian population on the syrian side they are not important for the western media or western governments because western regimes have sanctioned this country they're preventing fuel from getting to the people there's a huge shortage of of gasoline when it comes to the overwhelming majority of the syrian people there's no sympathy but when it's people who are trapped on the al-qaeda side of the fighting it's apparently it's the government it is syrian government's fault for fighting al-qaeda you mentioned sanctions that while there are claims that easy you nato nations sanctions against. iran disturbing any

attempt to get to grips with coronavirus back in your home country are you hearing what's happening back home everyone safe yes everyone that i know is safe but it is interesting that the persian language media that's owned by western countries are funded by western countries like b.b.c. persian a persian to each of our persian and the saudi channels like iran international among others they're all spreading rumors and misinformation to create fear among iranians and it's really disturbing the way in which western governments are using their persian media channels to carry out psychological warfare against the iranians all those major link stations deny that investment thank you. thank you after the break it's south carolina primary day but is the real election story greg the last sports victory to reveal a conspiracy to destroy democracy in the u.s.a. we speak to the author of the best democracy money can buy all this i'm all coming up in part 2 of going underground.

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candidates for 2024 years after the dreaded 16 results so hillary clinton win in controversial primaries exposed for corruption by wiki leaks but does bernie sanders only have to dodge democratic party dirty tricks this time around joining me is the author of the best democracy money can buy greg palast who's on skype in pasadena greg thanks for coming back on before we get to south carolina the significance of your victory in georgia in terms of what it means for the 2020 election. it's big stuff the federal court has ruled that as that the governor of georgia formally secretary of state who's guy in charge of voter rolls. a guy named brian camp and in 2018 he well frankly them but it bluntly he stole the election from a black woman named stacy abrams and i needed to find out exactly how he did that he removed are you ready for this half a 1000000 voters from the voter rolls most of them black people young people and.

remove them from the voter rolls is a very american thing is called the perch and that made him governor of georgia now the federal courts have said he's got to open up his files and tell me exactly how he did this because it's a federal court this will mean that all over america while i'm doing my investigations right now for the guardian newspapers of britain. that they're going to have to open their files and say how they removed voters in the past 2 years 17000000 people have been removed from the voter rolls and there are all kinds of crazy kaka mainly reasons and i'm going into that this is one way that america maintains kind of the white majority control without removing millions of voters of color young people. pretty hard for donald trump to get reelected this is one way

that the g.o.p. hopes to keep the that is the g.o.p. is the republican party and the way that they hope this is to stay in power. people who know no they are one of the great investigative journalists or time but i got to why did it take so long for such a story to end up in the court i'm not sure whether they're appealing for this actually to be firmly confirmed confirmed that this kind of gerrymandering this kind of fraud on this scale is taking place. yeah well it always takes time because of the unlike the european press in our team you know there's american press is not too interested in talking about the fact that american democracy is has all kinds of problems we still have problems with allow a but why why would they not want to talk about it they said they want to talk about no democracy in venezuela which we grew up with as an american in school that

we have a great democracy greatest democracy that we're all everyone gets to vote and and so because we have this self created myth it's very hard to talk about where we fall down from the myth and so and that's one of the difficulties for me is that investigative report because i'm saying look we're removing literally millions of people black people hispanics asian americans and young people right now from the voter rolls make it impossible or incredibly difficult for them to vote and it's not something that americans like to talk about because we like to think of ourselves as the great democracy but we still have these incredibly painful. failures of our democracy by removing people we don't like and removing their right to vote ok well tell me now about the allegations you're making against the kansas

official kris kobach the connection to trump although of course we go back on the show to refute your claims you believe and you say he was closely tied with trump on racial voter suppression techniques yes a guy named kris kobach of kansas and i like to say jokingly if you don't remember kris kobach of kids is the way he developed systems one system call cross-check their other systems where he is organize. amongst all the republican state voting officials dream move voters of color from the voter rolls of black people who tend to vote democratic tend to vote progressive they like birds sanders he doesn't want them to vote of course because. that undermines the possibility of the reelection of his buddy donald trump don trump

tried to put him in charge of a a commission that would look for voters who are voting illegally now in america if you voted illegally you go to jail for 5 years so basically no one does it because it was going to 5 years just to cast a vote in the prison so kris kobach of kansas worked with this guy brian kemp of georgia and and about a 3rd of the other voting officials in america you may be surprised to learn the people in charge of the vote and counting the votes are partisan officials democratic in california republican in most of america and so you literally have political hacks who are in charge of counting the vote it's something it's very very hard for european or other people the world to understand that basically you have political. parties and officials who are in charge or actually counting the

votes determining who can vote where they can vote it's a strawberry system that's led to a return of lot of the restrictions especially on black voters and latino voters asian voters young voters well we invited the russian ambassador to london to see whether he can run refute what you said about russian democracy obviously kris kobach would say he's never been in the k.k.k. but that's moved to california even though everyone else there what about south carolina today you obviously we know from wiki leaks the dirty tricks by the b.n.c. against bernie sanders what are your concerns in california because i got to tell you the l a times is trumpeting redesigned voice vote ballots new touchscreen devices they spent $300000000.00 on making 2020 a great occasion. well i'm kids you know a lot of people are concerned about a new computer touch screen voting we call pray push and pray you push through

you push a button for your can they pretty good that they'll count it but i'm even more concerned about much deeper problems in california in 2016 hillary clinton ran against bernie sanders and 8w8w people in california 8300000 people voting for president but only 6. 1000000 votes were counted 1300000 votes were disqualified it's heard for any one in europe to understand these were in disqualifying votes in california which controlled completely by the democratic party. they removed they disqualify the 1000000 votes of people who are not registered democratic party now i understand in california if you don't have to be a democrat to vote in a democratic primary so you have a huge following for birth standards especially among students who are who ever for

whatever reason the side not to register in the democratic party they have the right to vote for in the democratic party and there are laws but they don't count the votes they come with all kinds of reasons to block those voters and this is a problem that's going to come up on super tuesday california is by far the most important state bernie sanders is the favorite of most kalpa people in california here in the gold state where i'm i'm speaking here from the golden state and specially prop you are not only among young people. but among the hispanic voters the mexican americans and others you're saying that this is all about suppression i got to tell you i had a super tuesday the day bernie sanders not talking about what you were talking about he's not talking about wiki leaks and what it showed in 26 scene where you're

saying a 1000000 votes disappeared he's talking about russia he's saying that he doesn't want russia or interfering and far from it being about clinton's vote and and i suppose the d.n.c. getting a bit of payback now because the m s n b c o's chris matthews compared his success recently in in a way that could be seen is appalling and anti semitic but he why do you think it is talking about russia not about the investigations you were doing that and what wiki leaks revealed that's what's being covered i will say that that last time berger sanders ignored the fact is vote was stolen from him because he said he does not even want a real even want to elect on trial and i understand that but this times did hold a press conference not much covered in the press saying. in the state of california where he's very popular especially among hispanics who call. birth uncle

byrd one 3rd of all voters here by the way are hispanic a white people in california are the minority very briefly now greg for those watching in california this episode of going underground i understand you're advising all californians to screenshot the on screen voter card when they have to reregister to vote right well what i'm asked what i'm suggesting is because the democratic purred. they must by law allowed non democrats to vote that's 5000000 people in california and most of those are bernie supporters the people who are not registered as democrat but are independent voters attend to support bernie sanders and so they have a right on election day for the 1st time in california history to really registers democrats and i'm suggesting that if you want to vote as a democrat that you reregister for the day i'm not saying you should vote for

a democrat i'm not saying you should vote for sanders or or biden or anyone else but all i'm saying is you if you really want your vote counted tell a democratic party that you're a democrat than will count your vote we have a big problem the guy in charge of counting the votes is the secretary of state of california his name is alex vidia he is a very partisan democrat and he is a big supporter of joe biden so he's not very interested in counting votes for birders sanders i'm sure you know this and i'm sure he denied that and say that was as impartial probably not as last time you know i got to have you who are you who do you think is going to get south carolina south carolina is there a very close race between biden and sander sanders is is picking up a great deal of african-american votes with your the main voters in south carolina so we will see it's going to be tight and tough race. greg thank you. thank you

very much that's it for the show will be back on monday is u.k.e. you talks begin about britain's future relationship with the largest neoliberal trade we're going to build and keep in touch by social media join the underground but it's thriving well you should. the republicans have a reputation as knowing more about money than the democrats but the democrats are always very confusing and so bernie sanders is just out of a tradition he's talking about socialism which again is a it's a it's a model based on a in comprehensible. non existant theory about money. nuclear become a battleground in the us. people of demanding the shutdown of a local plant from yankee is right now my focus because it's

a very dangerous oh no care power plant the owner is attempting to run the reactor beyond its operational limits this case just sort of puts a magnifying glass on where's the power in this country where's it going is it moving more towards corporate interests who or is it more in the idea of a traditional participatory democracy is your power line with the people this case demonstrates that struggle in the very real ways. the. more long. the years are. low then the. love. going to.

hopes for peace in afghanistan where the u.s. and the taliban are expected to sign a deal to end america's longest war. also this hour the family of u.s. air force veteran a former drone operator and whistleblower brandon bryant started a fund raising campaign to get him released from jail as he faces charges of threatening city officials the family claims that the charges are politically motivated. and researchers at mit say a report alleging fraud during the bolivian election all short on evidence president evo morales left his post i made mass protest over the suppose of vote violations.