for a state which is saying the rule of law is totally accepted well he did commit a crime a minor bail violation and the person who is about to perhaps lead the new labor party after jeremy corbin said he has absolute trust and faith he took time out in this court process that you were hatch well i wrote i would. invite him to be in the court with us with part of interior from different countries of the european union it's not just me as a german member of the parliament with some other germans we are from ireland we are from italy well from spain we are from puerto girl from france and some other countries i would really be happy to have british colleagues from the british parliament here i was wondering where are they because it's so such

a case where do you have international attention and interest and it's not just us parliamentarians who are observing this case it's the. parliamentary assembly of the council of europe the human rights commission of the council of europe there are so many parliamentarians worldwide why are very concerned about this case and i really don't understand to be frank what's going on in the british parliament with my colleagues that they don't have there was not one british politician with you know and i mean if they are so secure and so secure about the case that the rule of law is accepted and the conditions are ok with the rule of law why they don't just come and see what's going on in the court room ok i mean i just don't like them i invite the candidate who has got running for the leadership of the labor party come with me as

a calm rate and see what's going on in the court room well it again can rains in may of course depending on the health of julian assange the magistrate vanessa borate. she's an impartial woman deciding over the court proceedings as well. it was very weird what happened last week. when we came together to the court and she just asked in the afternoon julian if he can concentrate on the trial and the proceedings and because it's in the dock and he cannot very well hear what's going on because we had this really does problems from the beginning on monday to the 24th the trial started and we had this julian and the media and the observers had the problem to follow sometimes because.

sometimes they don't speak into the microphone sometimes you cannot hear the judge at all because she doesn't spoke to the microphone or even she started the proceedings while julian was not in the courtroom i mean he is a defendant you have to wait till he is coming in to the courtroom but then they started just a proceeding sometimes and that means this is disrespect about the court and the trial at all and then she asked him in the afternoon if she he felt good and he's wellbeing and can concentrate but julian wants to wanted to speak up and she didn't allow it she said he has to speak to his lawyers and then the lawyers will tell the court but the problem was then julian said what's the point of asking me if i can't concentrate if i'm not at all can participate in this courtroom and she said world

you are a participant like any other defendant and then he said well i am as much a participant of my own trial as i am a participant in the wimbledon because he is in the dark he is a beehive he cannot have. confidential communication with lawyers there are everywhere cameras they are spies there are microphones he cannot we are caught communicate privately he says of the other side the us the prosecution has 100 times more hours to communicate because in the back of the prosecutor is there are representatives of the state department of the u.s. and there are representatives of the u.s. embassy they can communicate they can exchange immediately while the proceeding is going on but julian cannot do this and even the prosecutor was ok to say we are neutral we are not against that jordan

a sauce can sit next to his lawyers to communicate with them but the judge refuses and this was really bizarre from said that the prosecutor is representing the american government the united states government and they became worried that a mistrial could happen because she appeared to be and she also said. she could do nothing about the fact that. after day one in court. sandra's hanker after 11 years stripped naked twice and all is defense papers were taken away from him yes and he had to change 5 cells within this night and i mean i know jordan personally since 2012 and i was pretty much shocked when i saw him on they want. but what did you make of the judge saying she couldn't do anything about that

that's up to the prison that isn't yet connected to this court yet that's i mean that's absurd on are from my point of view that's absurd because she is the judge of this trial she has a responsibility that the defendant is in health that the defendant is not mistreated by the personnel the staff of the prison she is the responsible person that this trial is under the rule of law and if she is not intervening as a judge that means that she is coming along with the situation. we use their when suddenly they are is the editor of in chief of wiki leaks christian eleven's and is in the court and for no apparent reason they wanted to throw him out the court yet it was just you know another shocking moment we were waiting in the entrance to the public gallery room together with kristen and i mean i have to

say and ed every morning it's the same procedure with the staff of the prison and the court it's actually the court every morning we have the argue as international observers every morning we have to show our diplomatic passport and that we i have to show the letter of the government the minister of justice that i'm on the list as an observer and i can go through and every morning it's the same procedure they deny and they don't leave me go through to the court every morning and and this morning we had a discussion with kristen as well at the gate and then after that at the door to the public gallery the staff was asking him if if there is the chief editor of wiki leaks and we said do you mean in editing or someone special and he said yes someone

special kristen hof saw him and he said yes i am here and that's. the stuff that said you're not allowed to go into the public gallery you have to leave the building the court the whole building you have to leave and you say why and who set this form who comes this decision they said from the court and but i don't know why so he had to leave the building of course britain says this is independent of the united states. which will tell you about it tell me that you think the united states which says we kill it is a terrorist non-state actor yeah well no one explained does this. john ship than the father of julian here want our to with all the other family members to make a protest on this and he said we're not going to into the trial again if kristen. as a coach or the chief of editor of the caveats is not allowed to go with us to this

trial and then after a while they said that the staff of the court ok you are allowed to go in the representatives of the reporters without borders organisation and they were totally outrageous about this issue as well because they say that's an attack on press freedom of course if the chief editor of the killer leaks is not allowed to go to the court to the trial against the fallen off we can see the european union has said nothing about this case do you expect that because they don't want to intervene in nations although they arguably intervene in catalonia they intervened in france by allowing only normally i have to say of course it's good if governments and european union the commission is not intervening into the internal affairs of other countries of

soaring countries that's a good thing actually but then we have to be fair and don't do with it in other cases as well but in this case it's the council of europe and united nations yes and the thing is now that it's not it's not an intervention into the internal affairs officer brain country if you say we have concern about these attacks on press freedom by the trump administration of. because of the spanish act he is prosecuted and we are concerned about a fair trip a trial here. if the if the rule of law or is now respected that's not intervention in the internal affairs and that's what the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe did in the majority a vast majority said julian assange has to be released from prison now and

he must not be extradited to the u.s. and it's the same with the appeal in germany where 10 former federal ministers all liberal parties social democrats all green they all say he has to be released so douglas thank you. after the break 24 hours ahead of the un's world wildlife that shot the c.e.o. of conservation charity bug life explains our major chemical balti nationals are looking to swarm the u.k. with anti insect regulation all this is all going on but you're going to grow. thousands of american men and women choose to serve in the country's military decision little sheltered lives every thing came to

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welcome back has pushed back to trade talks get underway in brussels how will the european union deal with the massive insecticide multinationals looking just waterway regulation and nearly even free u.k. according to conservation charity bug life 40 percent of insect species are threatened with extinction with insecticides raking in billions c.e.o. of bug life met charlie thinks it's time for pest control chemical companies to bug off he joins me now matt welcome to going underground i'm going to ask a question that arguably may be more pertinent to you perhaps don't think it is or you think it's out of context hundreds of thousands of children will die this year because of malaria and yet your own organization that is lobbying against the mass extinction of insects intakes of course is distributed malaria why overseas it's not just the malarial mosquito that we're talking about we're talking about the

whole breadth of animal life on this planet over 70 percent of the species live on this planet are invertebrates and the a few of them do cause us problems when mosquitoes don't murder people they're not doing it deliberately they just happen to be a vector or something else and hopefully science can find solutions those sorts of things are capitalism to be called actually i thank you for that but i've got to also was about how there is hope in your campaign unique it annoyed with coverdell going underground in its very early episodes of this show and you've been successful in other activist groups and other green groups here today when it took years so you have to remember that these chemicals are out there in the environment all over a great deal fields all over the e.u. there still a lot of agricultural fields in other countries around the world harming the babies and causing long term damage in the u.k. over 40 percent of the babies they studied they went extinct in more than 10 percent of the places that they were living as a direct result of using those chemicals and they are quite right we managed to get

great steps forward with getting. most of the worst ones band it's never quite that simple though why is it not quite civil they haven't been having and i did it in this country so they banned the worst ones where there's lots of evidence they let it out on most evidence of harm to the environment the butterflies to be ultimately to worse and to ask betty to produce food and to to to feed ourselves so you know that they've got rid of some of the absolute worst ones but they continue to approve new ones that may be just as harmful as the old ones that they're not testing them the other issue is that they haven't banned the wood uses so it made a cooperate which is one of the oldest and most persistent of these incredibly toxic insecticides is still used on cats and dogs and when this gets on to the bedding that the cats and dogs are lying in it then gets washed into the search system and into the rivers around the country where it causes damage there and at the moment the people are buying these products don't even know that it's

potentially damaging to freshwater life i'm sure the manufacturers of the pet medications don't going to agree at all that it's completely safe in fact as you know the chemical companies which have huge lobbies are in the european union. for so long rejected unique it's annoying as being a bad thing what do you make now of the crop protection associations a member of the e.u. funded european crop protection association claiming a post bricks it u.k. can reintroduce maybe glyphosate unique huge annoyance one of these called chlor p. rose and as they have such crazy names you might almost think that but those names that we wouldn't talk about the money. so yes the these that multinational companies the biggest ones are massive massive corporates and of course they're in the game of playing one country off another and about

a 3rd of countries around the planet don't actually have proper pesticide regulation at all and those sorts of countries overseas open to exploitation by those who are trying to abuse their naivety if you like and i'm sure our politicians would say they're immune to the lobbying of big multi-billion dollar multinational companies taking them out for dinner. well i wouldn't believe they're guessing you wouldn't believe that i'm guessing it's not people who i don't know if we're going to believe that are they so so that you know that they're very much playing one country off another and that means that even when they know that something causes harm whether that's to the environment or to people they have to keep going with saying that it doesn't because otherwise those other countries might twig that actually they're being sold something that's damaging their phone features and when groups like yours secure victories constant vigilance i noticed that a group calling itself the gleick for seed renewal group i'm not sure that's an appeal

to conservation relish funded by bear which one's been santa and seen guenter of campaigning for the e.u. reauthorization in 2022 of life estate and we've got life is a bit of different issue so the evidence of the say it is around human health but obviously like all herbicides it does take out flowers the insects depend on so over use of herbicides that's bad for wildlife but it doesn't surprise me in a way that you know they're seeing braxton's as an opportunity at the regs it could be an opportunity which means that we're away from the corporate law politicians who arguably watered down legislation that destroys into cultures i've seen less of that so the european parliament recently voted to improve the test the testing regime to make it safe for babies which the commission has failed to do and the parliament just voted over 500 votes to 60 votes in favor of strengthening the

protection for babies by improving the regulation of insecticide so you know the european parliament is definitely on side with we're not in the right place the european commission often tries to get there but the member states have actually been the big ones holding back some of this progress and you know obviously when we come out we've got to potentially do more of our own press side regulation. and in the u.k. there was and the difficulty we've got here is that at the e.u. level they have a thing which is it which is called basically taking taking risk assessment and risk management and keeping that arm's length so your scientists are experts over here doing their scientific job and which they're saying well these are the risks that we face that information is then made public in the document and it goes to the decision makers and the decision makers then make a decision about how to monitor and manage that risk which might be banned it use in small quantities use everywhere that's their decision in the u.k. we don't have no separation between the minister and the bottom civil servant

there's just a weekly line liberalism is industry that often talks about that as well they lobby for their chemicals yeah use risk based quite often after a group like yourself to ban the person companies would agree with us that our current system of committees and expertise that we have in the u.k. is not up to scratch for a proper regulates really approach to how we're going to look after chemicals in the future so of the next 10 months and we'll jump thing we'll have to change if we're going to actually have a proper regulator which boris johnson's old friend michael gove says we will strengthen it and in fact the introduced the environment bill and yet you along with greenpeace client and other and others write a letter expressing concern that this new office of environmental protection. it raises concerns about information transparency so when we are in the e.u. we used to be able to rely on the european commission to some extent to hold our government to account for delivering on the environment and when we come out of the

year as we have done then that option isn't available so there's a potential that we weaken the solutions where we have this new office of environmental protection or is that just answerable to the minister not the public but this is the problem. in the you're paying commission system they're not appointed by the ministers but they're talking about appointing the ministers are going to be appointed the people in charge are holding the ministers to account well that's there's a fundamental conflict of interest there if you are appointed by the people you're supposed to be held in holding to account and again it is the problem we've got in the u.k. of not having enough separation between knowledge and expertise and the decision making and at the moment those sorts of things if anything getting pushed closer together of course a lot of debate over breaks it has been about fishing rights which certainly fishing industry here believes absolutely that europe the european union membership has been a catastrophe for. rachel carson's silent spring the killing of

insects will end fishing do you think there's a big irony there well the main roads are suddenly in 8 years of the media is a fishing stuff and you've had recently a massive collapses in fisheries associated in lakes with an inequality so there's no doubt that mimics and other insecticides could cause problems for fisherman. oversee the whole issue about fishing and they use a complex one i'm not sure that every single fisherman would agree with you i think there are some fishermen who understand the fact that we've got a european markets and we sell that norway lobsters we sell almost all of that abroad to the continent to europe so you know there's 2 sides to that equation what i'm getting at is the the the. the domino effect of the killing of insect should affect everyone watching this program yet we were taught all about pesticides but it's a whole range of gamut of issues so it's the fragmentation of habitat it's climate

change then forcing those species out of their range so making places to drive to hot to wet wildlife is coming under immense pressure and the little things the bugs the most abundant things are the ones that are disappearing fast and we've seen across northern europe scientific study after scientific study showing over 90 percent or 80 percent declines in the biomass of the abundance of those insects in northern europe so where we used to have thousands of bugs hitting the car windscreen is now hardly any and even just recently in the u.k. in in kent they found a 50 percent decline in the abundance of insects hitting the front of cars and people can remember going back to the eighty's when they used to be so much more life if we lose all that we lose the birds will lose the food will lose the color out of the countryside. the planet will be a much poorer place and will struggle to survive if we the trend that we currently

see around the globe of insect populations continues as it does now we've got to get our act together we've got to fix pesticides climate change light pollution very briefly there are obviously people who run multinational companies in the city of london investing in companies are producing these best as i said they want to live they want their children to live do you think and indeed all of these companies deny despite out of court settlements and are fighting. accusations that their pesticides are killing people an insect why do you think they do it. why why do they do it knowing what they want people who believe stuff when i said and a lot of people working for southern history firmly believe that they're helping the planet by feeding people more and there is an element of truth to that but that can become hoopers and often you see them getting running away with the idea that because this is a good thing it's more important than everything else and it isn't when that when

they start spraying insecticides and all seed right the yields actually went up so the yield the amount of oil being produced in the u.k. and that was high after the ban the insects why because we need the insects the insects are controlled in the past so the predators the insects apollo dating the crop without the insects we're in really deep trouble thank you and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday 2 years for the day of the alleged poisoning of former m i 6 by surrogates for paul and his daughter yulia neither of them have been seen in public since that day until next time he would touch my social media or join the underground by subscribing to going underground on you tube. but it did fix the number. of you to complete the don't get

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