ition a lot. of the politicking on larry king super tuesday was a stunner with joe biden scoring a series of impressive wins redeeming a canada see that some with written off as dead meanwhile bernie sanders is pushing forward vowing he'll not be stopped by the establishment to campaign trail experts join us today to talk about the state of the democratic party in this turbulent election cycle it's impact on donald trump's reelection bid they are susan estrich campaign manager for michael dukakis is 88 presidential run she's also an attorney author of political commentator and read dickens who served as white house assistant secretary press for george w. bush he's co-founder of more rootsy sports and he's now by the way a registered independent you left the party. few years ago it left me. to get into

that. what's biden's greatest strengths he's not trying. and he's not any of the others larry i mean it was a moment i think this past weekend when everybody kind of look to their 'd left they looked around they look here around the table tonight bloomberg you know had his moment he was gone and they said well who's left correct i think i asked a lot of my friends there were participating the democrat primary a question that i think president obama was asking people president clinton people what the heck are you doing what the heck are you thinking i think pete and they may be getting out early and timely was thoughtful i think it was courageous and something that the republicans couldn't bring themselves to do in 26 to narrow down to a one alternative candidate so i think now you have a had all had not ok the conventional wisdom is that the super

tuesday map was bernie sanders favor. well and what went wrong when i think a few things went wrong it was in his favor so long as the moderates which inviting the vote larry then it went one on one then. the mathematics changed completely and one thing to remember about super tuesday if you're as old as we are at least you can remember when the state of the southern states all moved up because back in the eighty's they wanted to to to bring the south back to the table and what they ended up bringing to the table are who they ended up bringing to the table with jesse jackson because a lot of these 7 state primaries on the democratic side i dominated by older and african-american voters so what you saw was biden space and between base of older voters and bernie's base of younger voters you want to put your money on the

older voters and the idea of it is i think my money on the older voters i think a great deal worries about but. i would think you would i don't try to put myself in his head. or out of it all. in all seriousness i don't try to. handicap what he's thinking but i will say if you have strategist if you have smart people around him they would obviously much rather i think. rather gets burning remember this super tuesday it was interesting the mathematics wasn't there wasn't that surprising the biden surge right because all these people to drop tell everyone who was supporting me was already supporting bringing young people generally don't go vote but he has a very impressive ground game get out the vote effort in the primaries you see all these national polls and it makes me laugh you know i've been talk about this for 20 years rudy giuliani was winning by 25 points in the national polls and never got over 3 percent of the primary and so these are these are local elections are about who who actually gets out to vote choosing will the democratic party unite behind

by. most of it will be establishment democratic party is you know saying it's prayers this morning and you know escaping for sure defeat i think i think the national party will the trick is going to be how long can bernie keep this weekly match going and how will you bring his folks in at the convention do you expect bloomberg to give money to buy absolutely he will be frightening thing to shore says if he fades away he just got a 0 return on investment for $700000000.00 whatever that's not what he wants to be remembered for i think he built an incredible media operation an incredible data of data bank he's a he's a data guy and he's bringing a lot of high tech data to the table it'll be very important for biden and helpful but you agree completely agree and meanwhile it's been polling for bloomberg for 3 months every night they've got a lot of information they're very savvy and i think bloomberg is not going to be

the problem that the democratic party is an establishment party will come together the challenge is going to be the a.o. see the challenge is going to be is burning going to come in you know that's the issue lizabeth war and i don't know where she's going to end up but i think she's going to be part of the group but there's one thing that unites most democrats and that's why the young vote they come to rallies but they don't vote i was sharing the story with you i think we've talked about this before in 2000 i think there was about 18 percent turnout in the under 30 vote so they started rock the vote and spent hundreds of millions of dollars and jay z. and celebrity were 19. 18 percent and so so i can't have been doing this i can't speak for young people anymore but i can say they're not reliable and vote on election. do you think there's bloomberg support will be made you know if you goes up much money it's got a right i do i think we learned the headline for all the people worrying that you could buy an election no you can't run. no doubt the headlines you can't buy and i

think that's good news right bernie bernie lost a little bit of a scare tactic there but i think his what's important about mike bloomberg is his infrastructure he built a world class almost you know ken melman david organization in about $100.00 days which is incredible faster than the chinese and i think i say that really if you think that there's beatable oh i think it's definitely being about i mean trump should be 20 points up larry you get the strongest economy unemployment numbers if this were anybody other than donald trump he would be sitting like ronald reagan was sitting in 984 the fact that he's not tells you that a lot of people may mean green with some of his policies but there's a lot of uncertainty around this man and it's going to be a question of can joe biden convince them that he's a safe choice he needs to be safe so joe biden has to be careful that he's not john

kerry and. where you can't just be the safe choice and that's the only thing i might slightly different is that if you're just a safe adult in 2004 all of the experts and i mean everyone in the media george w. bush had a 29 approval 3 consecutive quarters of negative growth and he had a lot of things i mean you could go on and on and. on the democrat side in the media any adults candidate that sounds rational and sane is going to win well but liberals from massachusetts may be an exception to that rule maybe they don't like what i say senator but i think about it in a very electable candidate he looks like a president he sounds like the president he's been the vice president for 8 years i will likely support him but he has to be careful because air force one. the incumbent the founding fathers built this thing for continuity of government versus right the incumbent always has a little bit of an event big. and so i think it's going to be tough. you mentioned john kerry was at c.n.n. . all day looking at exit polls.

that was the beginning of modeling and so i thought i was just going to say i was sitting on the air and i was looking at an exit poll of fox and i realized there were way too many women in the sample and it was one of those moments where you open your mouth and nothing comes out because you're looking at it oh. that was about this point and if you remember we made this is caution is that i actually had a pool of reporters down in the bottom of the headquarters and i brought them up at night you don't explain to them that there were too many women and not enough to spend it and so i brought them up and then we had a little 20 minute briefing and within one hour you know it was it was just awful to be sitting there and you just saying that the democratic establishment is ganging up on and trying to snuff out his revolution is that fair. you know who is the democratic establishment i think members of congress are not eager to have a revolution right now i think they're going to hold on to the house i think most

people who are on the ticket somewhere are looking to get reelected and get elected in the 1st place and i think there are quite a few democrats up and down the ticket who are nervous about having a socialist on top i don't think that's that's unfair i think that's just a realistic assessment of what the odds look like and different just think about how many words of you diagram that sentence the establishment who is that and where are they. number 2 going up the revolution by definition you can't snuff out a revolution and then you have this kind of is it fair nothing's fair in politics so i think if you look at that sentence it sounds like he probably sees the handwriting on the wall that his support has a ceiling. the whole idea was bringing in this whole wave of new voters and we haven't seen that whole wave of new voters coming in and that's no disrespect to burning and in this is been going on larry for. years it's not easy to get people who are not used to voting to vote braga obama has not publicly endorsed anyone

although he said he will support and campaign for whoever the party picks what do you think was the obama factor. oh obama plus joe biden i mean to be by obama's side reminds me of the good old days i think but rock obama can raise money i think the wrath of on the can build crowds but in the end of a day presidential politics it's about. the guy or the woman who's in the center of the stage at the top of the ticket that's all that matters and votes aren't tangible fungible you get about 100 given away you got about 100000000 people a little wake up after labor day just the kids off at soccer turn on the television debates look at 2 people watch for maybe 10 minutes and make a decision right and so i think barack obama the question people thought around words like support and endorse and campaign what really matters is how active they are president obama will support bernie sanders but i promise you he'll do more events he'll fly to more fundraisers he'll make more phone calls for joe but. very

popular yours of course yes of course should be you know is a great president ok what does trump tell me about the trump biden campaign so what's interesting is trump has fundamentals you know he's the incumbent is the other force one right now if even with all the market fluctuations people for one k.'s have grown drastically in the last 4 years the stock market's done well the stock market still up 30 percent even with all the drops so he has in theory all of these tailwinds right but the problem with trump is trump right. he can't get out of his own way even on the coronavirus right he can't he have about 9 messages in one speech so if he would actually said this in the last 30 days against senator secretary clinton if he would just stop talking he would actually do a lot better. we're talking with susan as strange and read dickens stay right there

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join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you then. welcome back to politicking i'm talking with susan dish she was campaign manager for michael dukakis in 1988 presidential run then read dickens who served as white house assistant person. on the george w. bush they join me in studio give me the layout or what. biden versions trump tell you what the fun part is for biden right now for the next however many we've got left he's going to be up against bernie sanders and the american people are going to think he's a moderate all right because he gets the ender's over here on the left you get trump over here on the right and by june they'll say that job very moderate

sensible guy in the middle and then trump will come in and try to paint him in a corner he knows how to get under he does know that and so will the whole i'll take him behind the woodshed and i can you know beat is behind all the stuff that's very effective he can get trump rattled he can get trump not the trump is never on message but he can get. try and find information. he has made a fool of himself did me and sure did you know and we have that i mean i don't think most people want to dig dirt on the presidential kids whether it's a biden or a trump for that all right presidential nominee who has so i think you have to be very thoughtful and i'd love to hear your thoughts and i think you have to be very thoughtful you can't talk about diversity for 4 years and then you end up with 7 white guys on stage 'd you know however many 7 white guys or whatever it was and

you're down to 2 old white guys and i think they're going to be very thoughtful about diversity 1st of all because that's something that the party as a party put front and center but also i think you know i think to me would make a she would make a fantastic candidate and she's smart she's witty. she is could bring a lot of drama because she is kind of a cause i celebrity and likes to be so i could tell a lot of drama how about damning with faint praise they have. you the rest of us me as a. v.p. candidate but we've never been the 1st room do you no harm i mean i think i can say for sure it in general people don't vote for vice president or president benson would have gotten elected and i lay back and. by the way i mean no disrespect all i'm saying is as a v.p. candidate you want your v.p. candidate to be safe and boring but you don't hear a lot and you don't want to get uppity now my old friend paul begala predicted this week that pence will be dumped and he will be replaced by the former u.n.

ambassador do you see any light in that. i don't see trump taking any chance with somebody who's going to outshine him going back to what i just said about the you don't want a celebrity v.p. you know trump is the show right so why in the name of one ever in pence he has the guy he appears and disappears i can't remember what he looked like here is the again this is he's a solder not like a great character and so on this on this topic there's 2 conversations there's 2 conversations that happen 7 days a week all year round with political consultants and that is contested conventions and changing v.p. i don't either that everything happens every consultant feel relevant right but i remember in our own west wing and george w. bush there were people saying george bush is going to replace dick cheney or for the heart attack inside our own west wing people are saying that i don't i don't see it actually happening it's so much easier to stay with the status quo when it's

not her. base with a little bit. pampling. not well ok this is one of those occasions maybe one of the only occasion. where there is no joking to be had plain politics is not lying well accusing democrats of warning to kill thousands of people is not flying well you've got to go with straight talk and you know one minute he's saying there's no pandemic coming the next minute you know getting to know what he was getting a bad boy just play it straight on this one this is not a republican versus democratic issue and the president inability to just say look this 5 years doesn't pick parties ok if you just pull this together and i actually don't do it as a country yeah i actually don't think i would have even had him go to the podium this is a moment where this is this is the most right now where you have all these different

scientists and cabinet members and officials that are experts and you put them out there and let them do their job and let them talk about it in the long partisan way is it possible. it is hard to mind believes the rush limbaugh theory says the terrifying thing larry is that you can even ask us that question. i mean here we your show we don't know. and and it's rather terrifying i have no idea i don't know the mean but i do know they did a time when people need reassurance it's just not providing so on this particular moment in a presidency president's every president has his moments right people are scared they want to feel called they want to feel at ease including if that means you have to tell them bad news it's about how you tell them about what the implications of the bad news is so i think the all the conspiracy theories i think i'm not speaking for trump or trying to get it is had by i think the read tweeting of all the i

think he knows how to rile up the crazies and i think he knows how to get people worked up and i think i don't know whether what he believes about i will tell you this. it doesn't it's not helpful when you're getting conflicting messages coming out from the white house period not helpful is another understand what the debate by drum be like. and we'll be nasty i think trump will trying to get under biden's skin and biden will do well to stay above it all. and just stick to his points but trump can't resist i mean i think we're seeing with the very respect every person around him has got to be telling him to stop tweeting about a virus that is killing people and he can't stop themselves right and he can't stop himself from pit playing politics with it so i think the problem with the trump

debate is it will be whatever trump feels like in that particular nanosecond one thing i was surprised about is i expected donald trump to be a disaster in the debates against hillary clinton because. he's generally off message temperamental. behind but but i understand there are other than a few mean moments he actually wasn't. he wasn't as big of a disaster as i thought it would you tell a vision that he's good and he knows how to carry on you know how to play and let's face it he had hillary's number and he had a certain way of playing off in a very successful way i think the one thing joe biden has going for him and i think it's true of most of us who've known him for years joe biden is a really nice guy is not a bad guy he's not a. vicious guy he's a decent honorable man do you make trouble right now and santa still has your shot to make trump the favorite sure you have to you have to make him the favorite you

get a stronger economy you get burning still nipping it you get you know a very powerful incumbent president. favorite but i'm not picking up the curtain since you have to be careful whether we're asking the handicapping question which is who's the favorite or can he beat those are 2 different questions people conflate all the time i think if you're handicapping with my money if i'm underwriting the bets i'm taking the income but every time i think of you asking can donald trump be the answer is this was. a state democratic it's a lot more likely to stay democratic today than it was last week. i think a lot of people worry about burning on the top of the ticket and what they could do in terms of buying. but we'll have 4 more court coattails the bernie would you know republicans keep the senate yes. i think. you said you know i think. i can but ken that i think yeah and they keep it up

slowly because remember the senate is kind of the far wall for sanity is where the adults are the perception is where the adults are right and i think you have a lot of independents who like that balance and so yeah i think i think the what do you make of all this chaos i mean the whole ball away government split republicans hating democrats democrats i think it's very sad you know i think it's extremely sad because anybody puts their head up in this atmosphere gets chopped off. no matter which side you're on take it lightly controversial point of view and somebody you know sending a threat and you're an ignorant slut in this villany or instability of the debate is just unfortunate i think not just for one party or the other but for the country if they can gain that nobody wants to play. and so it's one of the reasons the dregs of the professional gene pool go and to run for office right it's not the

best of the brightest you don't graduate from stanford you don't graduate from places anymore and i'm going to capitol hill as much as you did in the 850 but we'll destroy have to debate about. it but they have the commission and the commission on presidential debates and the i think we finally after years of civil war settled in 2 presidential and one vice presidential and you know if they don't show up with that get all the rallies and you quack quack and you have the and it becomes but when they want to remember we've talked about this larry so many times plato wrote a long time ago that late stage republics deteriorate into democracies and people love to talk about our democracy and we say what democracy that wasn't the intent but i think social media and donald trump have accelerated. whether you think it's good or bad we've gone from this representative republic and now understood was 12 electoral college right but now we're heading into this talk or c. and it is incredibly interesting told each biden and sand is can now ask for

a secret service. i'm sure that's a case by case so the way that typically works is it's a case by case it depends on spikes and some threats and chatter and all those things and so they make a decision president obama got it senator obama got it really early it just depends on the threats and it seems logical but yeah i mean i remember i had to force my candidate to accept secret service that you really have he wants to get in the limelight you know you have to be protected and sadly they would you need crazy people out there don't you think nowadays with social media because most i know this wasn't like this even under those of us were nowadays the quicker you look at press secret service the quicker you look like a president it's presidential looking to have secret he suffered from the security it is anything else that keeps you away from people and there are many get some pretty serious and i had this conversation with clinton at one point because the minute you get served in a bubble there's a bubble and you're never directly with people again so if i know it addiction who

wins in november i think i believe i believe donald trump a whim not because i support biden but i believe donald trump will win thank you both for money and we're going to have you back during this campaign ad terrific guests thank you susan and read thank them for their time today and thank you for joining me on this edition of politicking remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me at kings things and don't forget to use the politicking hash tag and that's all for this edition of politicking.

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