i am half the loans that we have from from china often misunderstood the yard 1st of all they compose just a very small fraction maybe less than 10 percent of pakistan's overall debt but for you and they are over the longer term of 0 to a 25 year period that they stretch over and then then there are some commercial loans that originate from not just china but from europe or maybe the middle east in other jurisdictions as well and they have a shorter structure on the back and deal with commercial entities so it's not about paying off chinese loans it's about making the overall debt portfolio sustainable and within that debt portfolio the chinese loans contribute to less than 10 percent so far ok but chinese help doesn't demand you private eyes pakistan's companies you must be aware that the some economists are saying the poverty rate in your country is gaining ground for us obvious budgets as the national poverty ratio

in june 18 was 31.3 percent it's going to be 40 percent in june 20th you don't compile poverty statistics this is the same way surely as any global south nation when it starts to talk to the i.m.f. let me 1st address the privatisation by more comprehensive. pakistan's has more than $2250.00 state owned enterprises and the accumulated losses have now reached up to a level where it's more than the annual defense budget of pakistan which is it and it's now accrues to more than 1500000000000 rupees even more than that they have become a drag on pakistan's national economy and it's not just the i.m.f. that we see there any commentator economic commentator having a look at the finances will see that a 2nd question that is true that since 2016 during the previous governments. poverty statistics have got been published for one reason or another in pakistan and we are. looking at reviving that statistics and finalizing

a methodology for publishing that statistics we have a world bank estimate for the last year for bank has been regularly publishing poverty up if so pakistan and poverty as but the estimate poverty did in fact a decline in the 1st year of this government be grew at about 3 percent last year in terms of g.d.p. and this year it's project the g.d.p. is projected to grow at 2.4 percent and i think that is the bottom beyond that beyond the next this coming june the next financial year we will be looking at. going into a high economic growth phase point taken about the world bank although some people say the world bank is the good cop to the i.m.f. bad gulp of course as regards the growth rate but you're not i mean i know you're going to deny that you're playing washington off with beijing but what happened to go under our port the last stop of the built in road corridor or $62000000000.00 it was the chinese project apparently it was

a 1st rate millions of jobs would be able to buck is that doing are present in your g.d.p. growth is you are just becoming more friendly with washington over china i think we have excellent relations with both washington and china and i don't think it needs to be a dichotomy in order to be an eye that all relationship. has suffered as a lot because of playing in the hands of peter superpowers in the past we've lost 70000 lives to post september 11th and i think august on thursday is of acting as a proxy. not to do that again you could not fight other people's war and we want to have relationships with all superpowers whether it's china or it's russia whether it's the united states and china is an emerging reality so i don't think it has to be looked in the context of either order i think that in the 21st century the nation states can be mature enough to handle multiple relationships at one time but is the god our poor project over not at all we are committed to the goal of the project and we will. i think the goal of the project is the future of pakistan in

fact we are already in negotiations of it with the world bank financing a green line. and a clear drilling down realigned that will go from pakistan into afghanistan and into the central asian states to open up that corder door you mention 70000 dead in the nature back warrant to have a terror to 911 when you do your budget does some of the budgets go to the secret services which back the taliban on the afghan border and what is your view of the so-called peace deal signed between afghanistan and different priorities and its impact on budget and i don't think any secret service budget in pakistan goes to any thought on grouping on the contrary many of fodder secret service people and the pakistan military people have laid down their lives in fighting in the in the tribal regions of pakistan and just 3 to 4 years ago we've seen

a clearing up of that and we've seen peace return to pakistan now and that's a piece that we achieved a tick tick at a cost of great lives we are looking at fencing our borders with the funniest on we are looking at fencing our borders with iran and maintaining peace in those regions and we are willing to look at budgets to words that but as you see while the peace deal is being signed there's a television series being broadcast in nato countries school homeland repeating the allegation that the pakistani secret service is intimately involved with the taliban in afghanistan is their nature propaganda war against pakistan claiming that i.s.i. is very much part of the taliban in afghanistan well i think that we had during the cold water pakistan and the united states both had links with the taliban and we are in the region they are our next door neighbor for as long as geography has existed so there. is some leverage that pakistan has in

a fun society and i think that pakistan if baucus my government my political party and my prime minister in iran fran said it a decade ago that the only solution to the full on. war or the current turmoil is to have a settlement with the taliban and pakistan can play a facilitating order in pakistan has played a facilitating role in that in that regard and i think it's for not just the greater good off for the general security but for global peace as well tragically sources in your government had been warning that people shouldn't be over optimistic about the carter ideal and that there would be people out to spoil the deal it came to pass obviously because within hours there was violence what is the view now from islamabad about the ongoing repercussions of the the deal that ended in disaster i think the peace deal has been signed in a good spirit from both sides and i think both sides want peace and being desperate

for peace is not really a bad thing it's not a sign of weakness i think it's a sign of forward looking and visionary leadership so there will be good insists but i think given the devotion and the and the the great spirit that exists on both sides for achieving peace in this state it to be when i think that we have we are off to a great start. well i've got to say that despite you showing some hope there on afghanistan obviously your prime minister imran khan has been particularly exercised by the unilateral takeover of kashmir what do you think he means when he compares the render modi's treatment of muslims to nazi pogroms of jews and do you expect any progress in recapturing what you consider to be part of pakistan's land mass well i think that what they've done is that they've reversed

situation of political autonomy 1st in kashmir and they of embroidery the whole region in turmoil there's a curfew since many months there's a suspension of political rights and liberties so that's what's happening in kashmir on the top of that what he's done is that he is. he is systematically dismantling the liberty and the political rights of muslims and minorities in india and the lip service that in the years old a speed to its secular nature to stand stands exposed today mr modi believes in hindu supremacy and it's very similar to 2 nazi e.-t. in supremacy t.-t. where they feel that one resists speedier to another and has greater rights over the other or that the rights of the minorities can be somehow superceded daughter or trampled upon for political capital and communal strife can be can be encouraged for political capital so i think that is that is why we compare mr morty to. nazi

germany and specially to mr hitler because his his policies are also eerily similar to what mr modi is doing right now in india the indian i committed to london spoke to this program or denied all those allegations you would consulted it anyway nor was china about the unilateral decision of india to take kashmir. similarly as regards afghanistan in a moment we're about to speak to the afghanistan vice president of the national assembly was park consulted in the afghanistan talks which was signed in doha i think not only were we consulted the whole peace process could not have been signed without pakistan's active role in encouraging both parties to come to the table pakistan is one off the most active stakeholders and one of the most interested parties because any oil in afghanistan spends over into into pakistan state or tree we have facilitated that agreement and my foreign minister has even

gone on to say on record that this agreement could not have been possible without pakistan's assistance minister thank you thank you very much after the break with yet more loss of life after drugs peace accord signing in we ask the vice president of afghanistan its national assembly who negotiated with the taliban what went wrong all the similar going about to him going on the ground. the question. what do you do with global economy that relies on justin time to livery of parts and services mostly from labor wages china is interrupted by a global pandemic and can't be overcome with more money printing that's the big question.

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welcome back in part one we heard from one of pakistani prime minister imran khan's cabinet about the collapse of donald trump's afghanistan peace deal joining me now is the vice president of afghanistan's national assembly m.p. for kabul and negotiated with the taliban fossick koofi who joins me from the afghan capital thanks so much for joining us 1st of all before we even talk about the peace deal what have you heard about the attacks by u.s. warplanes on helmand province this week i think just a few hours after the agreement between taliban and the united states the taliban started a very good kind of i guess if war. or against the of security forces and endless pond i think the united states air force is claimed that they have

supported the afghan forces in helmand province by using the aircraft's air operations i want to get on to the peace deal that you helped negotiate in a 2nd but your reaction to the international criminal court announcing that it will now formally investigate u.s. war crimes defacto perhaps british war crimes because of course the united states soldiers in afghanistan were leading u.k. troops and i assume if that is an end of us the geisha end of the war crimes that happened in afghanistan there should be an investigation of the crimes that happened over the past 40 years that the main victim of those crimes were basically the set 1000000000. defenseless people of afghanistan who have paid for this so many justice which people of afghanistan were really well come and i guess there

cannot be any peace sustainable peace without justice should come and should be. investigated. for the whole process of what enough under some because i think neither side of the war in afghanistan actually to spectate and even to say the culture for they have brutally destroyed their houses they have killed innocent people and this happened by both sides you've traveled a long journey personally to become a negotiator with the enemy the taliban what is it like negotiating a deal like the doha deal with people like us on voice i'll make other than the afghan taliban as well lobdell it is never easy to be part of a process that you have been a victim of war by the same people. who have. taken all the opportunities from you as an afghan woman who have killed people in front of your eyes who have.

insulted people of afghanistan especially women of afghanistan it is never easy but at the end of the day i guess somebody has to take that as sponsibility and i think it's time for the people of afghanistan in particularly for the woman of have on a son 1st of all to be part of the major decision making they have to demonstrate leadership in this critical time of our history to make sure that women are indeed negotiation table that women rights are respected and that decision is never easy because you don't talk with a bunch of friends you basically talk with people who definitely oppose you or views personally when it comes to me they have actually atomic to me twice in fact so it has been a difficult decision to be part of this in the past this is the chance we have to really use it if we don't use this woman will certainly not be present for the future of the station making we now know that afghan the taliban forces attacked

afghan security service forces just hours after the deal was signed the afghan taliban have tried to kill you how are you sure that you can be safe when you met up with taliban negotiators there is a huge trust deficit between the people and the islamic republic of afghanistan umbrella and the taliban there is a trust deficit and some of us are being particularly this like because of her gender because of her views and because of the fact that we have been a vocal rights for democracy and equality and we have been deprived of money apart unities due to our not that the war only took lives lifes of many members of my family and lifes of people who had been killed in front of my eyes and continue. to be code but also a lot of opportunities because this is such a beautiful country with great opportunities if there was no war i'm sure

afghanistan would have been in a different situation and every day we're losing lives we are in the full front of this war on terror so we have to really end this and we have to really end it with justice and dignity you say it's a beautiful country it's also a beautiful country for a big oil pipeline what was it like talking to zalmay khalilzad you know that around the world is known for his support of the iraq war for his installation of how mitt karzai as leader of your country and for having been on the unocal board that negotiated an alliance with the taliban head of preparations for an oil pipeline going through the country i understand afghanistan geographical location is a very strategic and it's a very important country when it comes to connectivity we're connecting south asia and central asia. and that makes of understand for approach unities but yet for challenges because we can be easily used by the as

a battle field and proxy that's why i said it's time for people of afghanistan and for the leadership in the country to take their lead to decide about their future when it comes to. he is now the key for peace negotiation we are looking forward for peace which will result not in losing or rights we are looking for a peace which every individual including taliban but also the woman and the people of afghanistan will see feel safe even though personally you know that the taliban came to power partly because of the actions of the american on the boy while we i think it's time. and for for as now to leave the past us part of the history so it is time for us to forget at the end of the day after 18 years we don't have

peace and we don't have justice so i think it's time that we work for peace but in the meantime we should not undermine the importance of justice because if we really ignore the justice part of this peace process probably one day the might be great again because we might have peace but that peace does not include. does not include freedoms it does not include the liberty and sovereignty of up on the stand and the politicians in afghanistan so therefore i think we really have to be careful about what we do as the next step well i'm sure we can expect a poor response to the decision by the international criminal court investigating crimes for in the name of justice because they obviously the top administration do not respect that court that's just get on into the negotiations is it true that

taliban negotiators demanded that mandatory wearing of the head job was required in return for women's employment and education rights was that part of the deal woman enough to understand. are living in a stone islamic circumstances they want equal rights they want to go to school they want to work they want to have access to economic resources they want to be part of the political decision making and their gender should not be the reason for them not to participate however what taleban actually imposed to the woman of understand during that time which i was also living in kabul where burka and boycott has not has nothing to do with her job or with and unfortunately they've made a woman of of kind of stunt to win. burka to deprive woman from their freedom of choice and i think any government in afghanistan that try to deprive women of

afghanistan and all the citizens from their freedom of choice they will not survive because the country has really. transformed i am not claiming that the whole country has transformed but i think major part of the country will not. do not want to go to back to those people of taliban so his job we don't have to define what do we mean by his job actually we have to define many things that taliban claim islamic rights of woman because what is not an islamic rights of woman well we invite members of the afghan taliban community on this program but did you also get any pledges on drugs apparently as the taliban today have 20 percent of your country that they're turning over hundreds of millions of dollars in drugs which end up on the streets of london paris and new york killing and injuring countless people did the topic of drugs come up you know in

a broken system and un tried to use. use the situation for get interest in the previous talks we really did not go to the details of all the issues that. that contributes to the conflict in afghanistan and drug trafficking and cultivation being one of them especially in the areas which is under the control of taliban you see there is an increment and they cultivation and trafficking of drugs so that to conflict and drug trafficking and to fit each others and i think these are issues that are getting the enter of on talks which were expected to start on the 10th of march and i am not sure if they can actually negotiation to you from this limited public of understand side will be set up by dead to start these talks of these issues you raise some of. well i actually have to be discussed during the into of on talks with taliban ok well $43.00 separate

attacks just on tuesday after the deal was signed in doha qatar the new york times though is talking about cia militias there's something called the cost protection force out of camp chapman are you aware of american cia militias that also are rude working in your country no i'm not and do you think the taliban were having a tragic joke here why sign a deal in any case if there were plans on ordering mass bombardment of afghan security service installations within hours of the agreement being signed the status quo the taliban try to do most straight days after the deal and before that the except the one week of our uvas they wanted to demonstrate that they are powerful that they are strong that they can destroy that they can care that they are in control of security team we are in

a trust building stage on the one hand there is a peace agreement to a taliban between the us and taliban on the other hand upon into other negotiation is due to happen very soon and people are on that sense people are excited but on the other hand when they see killing when they see uncertainty when they see that the taliban are still emphasizing independence if you about the future rights and liberties of people of afghanistan they are what is so different i think taliban really have to demonstrate some level of well ignace and probably compromise to both the us the because people of on is the need to really see the taliban or do you know what india are calling for peace negotiation others after the this agreement signed you see major attacks happen i think that further come. the kid the process therefore i take my call to the both sides about in particular to talk about because they're the one who started their attack would be to listen to the to

the voice and call of people of afghanistan which do you want to end this war national assembly vice president thank you. and that's when the show will be back on monday to discover another country bombed by britain syria which announced forthcoming elections but is now fighting a whole war with. foreign secretary tommy grab travel to this week before saudi arabia until then you can touch reza as a leader and join the underground. but

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