reinforces in syria while sending soldiers to libya as he threatens to flood the european union with refugees even the mainstream media here is beginning to question which side turkish president utter one is on joining me now from ankara to decipher it is one of the founders of old ones a k p party and turkey's former foreign minister yasser yeah case thanks so much hassle for coming on the un human rights commission is talking syria tomorrow your take on russia turkey relations after last week's mosca peace talks between putin and the one actually. turkish russian relations have become. the 2 countries they've become. interdependent for this isn't i believe that what they're what happens the 2 countries have to agree somewhere in the middle ground well arguably turkey as we know edging russian interests a russian pilot had to bail out of a russian warplane not long ago and similar. to one by his s.

400 defense systems he then threatens the european union i think what i'm really asking here is what side is in your well of course turkey has it stated a lot and now it again in this period turkey is seeking. to try to get weapons from the euro atlantic community did say from nato despite the fact that it was antagonized by the nato countries because of turkey's purchase of s. 409 because of the do or planting eclipse turkey turned again to the in your atlantic community but you're right that the community. does not want to get involved in turkey's fight in exhibit did it surprise you personally when the one said he'd buy as 400 defense systems yes i was surprised that the.

because i worked in nato on several occasions in the past in my 40 years of diplomatic career i also worked in the nato headquarters in brussels and also i studied in nato defense college and also i worked in the nato department in the turkish ministry of foreign affairs so all these things during this long period of mine in diplomatic service i knew that turkish defense system is integrated to nato system and. defense system which is not interoperable with with this system that's to say as $400.00. has to be an autonomous measures which is not connected to the defense system where is where i was in nato there is something called net minutes which

means nato air defense ground them by a moment it is interconnected and in that mccann is in the decision when you intercept enemy. missiles coming in you have to make it this in within seconds after within minutes so if the system is not then to integrate it it is no use i mean you cannot use it well if the 2 military systems are incompatible some say that only one support for groups like hired terry or al sharm in aid live is incompatible with international law what does he want out of sending turkish troops and proxies into syria is turkey under earlier one really think it's going to occupy northern syria i hope not because on several occasions within the us stunna and such a process process is 'd. both leaders done and put in

on certain occasions plus. rouhani i found rouhani of iran they've confirmed on more than one occasion their support to syria's territorial integrity and also to syria's sovereignty i'm not sure whether it's being reported in turkish media but israel has been bombing syria and some commentators have said it's in step with turkish offensives in syria what do the turkish people think as they see could be seen as defacto alliance between the one and israel actually. israel is the targets are more iranian. hezbollah targets. and. israelis do not normally target the genuinely national syrian

targets they try to avoid it they want to give the message to. syria that they don't have any problem with syria but their problem is iran but it looks from the outside like the ones turkey is now an ally of netanya i was israel. i can hardly believe that because dan has a lot of problems with israel and his rate is often often say it. you do think it was a mistake to take the disproportionate number of refugees from the civil war into turkey 3600000 do you think he is wise the other one to now threaten the european union who have arguably not stood by their obligations under refugee conventions actually we have to divide this question into 2 separate part one is the arrival of 2 and 3 and half a 1000000 refugees in turkey and then the question of releasing

those refugees to those who want to go to europe not preventing them by turkey to go there these are 2 separate questions the 1st part of the question and that's to say whether turkey should have received that many refugees in the 1st place. no it should not have received that much even at the very beginning when. that would all was foreign minister he was saying that now we have something like 70000 refugees in turkey from syria and if this figure goes up to 100000 then we will have to take other measures now we have passed 100600000 then 1000000 then 2000000 then 3000000 and then over 3000000 so it was

a mistake the best think if i were in the government that time i would have pressed for turkey not to receive at all in refugee and. create. incorporation with the international community create a safe zone on the syrian side of the borders and to run this. safe zone by the international community not by turkey presumably the one was worried about the american backed kurdish progressive kurdish communities in the north of syria were demanding the kurdish state on the border with turkey the actual 10 again turkey made a mistake. or fact that. 'd in an intelligent way by entering into negotiation with the syrian kurds in the

person of muslim but later on for a reason of the internal domestic political reason. it went wrong so this cooperation with saddam muslim is interrupted so if this negotiation were successful to conclude that. turkey is problem with the syrian kurds wouldn't have arrived at the point where it is at present if the kurds now feel left behind completely by all sides after their alliance with washington tell me what you think mr other one is doing in libya because many of understood turkish attempts at claiming energy resources because of it. because of its position in northern cyprus why did he send troops in to support one half of what's happening in libya

only to have morocco and algeria remain neutral and russia and france very much on the other side actually i believe that there are several reasons to do it one is that the. national accord government of tripoli was in dire need of a foreign country to help it because it was under pressure from the hostile forces and turkey thought that it could help. the people the government. for 2 reasons because it was legitimate it was backed by the international community by the united nations and secondly the. tripoli government or triple the parliament was donated by muslim brotherhood like minded people and the ruling party in turkey a.k.p. party is also inspired from the muslim brotherhood the 3rd reason was that turkey

by negotiating an agreement with the. government they could have. the line 8 that there is a maritime jurisdiction area and cut the the countries that have already partition is to meditate in among themselves without taking into consideration turkey's. many times the restriction area so by linking turkish military turkish exclusive economic zone to the libyan air comes down a corridor or is created to divide the syrian countries from from the west from greece and from there to continue to. to europe ok well the violence continues in libya so many years after britain bombed that country certainly the one doesn't

look like he's winning in syria there are threats to the european union. over here during the breaks at debate turkey was used by those who wanted britain to leave the european union as a threat do you think it's over now any chance of turkey joining the european union after failure in libya failure in syria and now threats against brussels i think independently from what's happening in syria and independent from what happening in libya turkey is. accession process to the european union was put into a deep freeze and with uncertain futures and what. i mean in light of what happened in the meantime in the relations between european and turkey the best solution for turkey was rather than.

fixing a date or reading it in tangled in the idea of becoming a full member of the europe in one day you all those this process you know to put more orders to its interior to its kitchen and make turkey thanks to the accession process make turkey a country with more fundamental rights and through them better democrat bit of functioning democracy more transparent market economy and then if turkey achieves this because of the excess in process where their turkey ultimately joins the opinion union or not it was going to be irrelevant but if it maintains very good relations and also it has adopted or internalized the european standards yes exactly stacked here thank you after the break will the european union used

coronavirus to wash its hands of the next global refugee crisis we talked of the norwegian refugee council plus the communist approach to covert 19 from fane yong health counselor for the permanent mission of china to the un and why boris johnson thought it might be a good idea to limit coronavirus information to the british people all of them all coming up by 2 and going underground. live. leg. leg.

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welcome back as turkey's military intervention in a deliberate means in syria being the only major nation action de facto violating international law concerning sovereignty and human rights the e.u. claims that greece is a shield to defend it from thousands of refugees of the syria war but does that mean the eve is breaking the law joining me via skype from oslo is the norwegian refugee council's senior adviser pool ness well thanks so much for coming on 1st of all i'm going to ask you how bad is the situation on the e.u. borders as refugees flee turkey. what we have seen now on the border is just a last chapter of the sad story and refugees for the last few years in greece we see unrest on the border we see different versions for what's happening but we

do know that the border is closed and people are not permitted to seek asylum which is a violation of the refugee convention and also european union law ok but there may be videos going viral showing very alarming pictures of greek authorities using using government guns and violence arguably against refugees do you have any evidence of this footage is real. we have some seen some footage that indicate that for instance. greek forces are using tear gas against people trying to climb the fence yeah a stun grenades apparently are allegations as well that have been made us live under there the defacto boss of the e.u. says it is a european border not a greek border and she thanks greece for being our european shield in these times

do you feel that that's in the spirit of an idea $51.00 refugee convention. no it is not and in the convention it actually starts with the words that for this. convention to function it requires international cooperation and sharing of responsibilities some countries may have more of a burden in receiving many than others so in that spirit we should see much more cooperation in europe on receiving refugees and on sharing the spotlight responsibility with greece now the european union has not so far been able to reach agreement and so it's been a bit of a standstill now for a few years that's why we hope more countries will step forward birth european union members but also associate with countries like norway but why not also russia and offer to relocate some of the refugees that have been stuck on greek islands

for a long time whatever one says about turkish operations within syria allegations of working with al-qaeda linked groups in the country took $3600000.00 refugees how have we got to a position where it is normal in europe to be talking of shields from refugees and the use of this kind of language. well there has been a sense of panic in many ways some that the situation has been out of control and there as been seen from our side few political initiatives to actually handle the issue when we go back a couple of decades to the walls in former yugoslavia was for quite a different approach from european leaders trying to solve the conflict itself trying to ascending peacekeeping forces and then working together to solve the refugee issue but do you not think that one can make the case that the international community already has the lowest of expectations from the european

union after all 34000 drowned in the mediterranean after illuminations launched a war to destroy africa's riches to get a country libya if we could see 34000 refugees defacto drowning why should anyone expect anything better of really. because the refugee convention started in europe it was 1st only a political in europe very much based on the experiences from world war 2 what we have seen now and which we are also seeing globally is that too few countries are stepping forward to assist those that take many refugees also because we have conflicts like syria in particular with home many people having been displaced birth to neighboring countries and within the country we not solving the underlying political conflicts people remain displaced and that of course is the most

imperative just as as we speak the most imperative is that there will be cease fires in the elaborate jen so we don't need to see again hundreds of thousands of syrians having to flee for safety well since you mentioned that you think britain should stop funding groups linked to al qaeda in syria which has been alleged to have created a refugee problem when what we're seeing in syria is that very many countries have supported various fractions in the conflict and who although they say the syrian civil so the civilians have paid a very high heavy price and for the civilian suffering it's not always so interesting who's attacking particularly them it's the lack of the peace efforts that we miss you see when we talk about it a national law what legal authority does the $151.00 refugee convention actually

have i mean if verse 11 demand continues talking about shields against refugees can we see the e.u. be taken to the international criminal court for for being in violation of these refugee conventions or are they essentially rhetorical. well there is no court such for the refugee convention but there are 2 vital principles in the convention one the right to seek asylum which we're now seeing undermined and that no one should be sent back to anywhere where their life and security is in danger in europe you would have european court of human rights that could hand to that question but the right to asylum is not secured in the same european command from human rights and finally what advice would you give to governments at the moment thinking of weaponize ing the threat of corona virus to subvert refugee conventions when refugees are particularly now vulnerable to the coronavirus because they don't

have access to good health facilities that's an argument is that not an argument is that not an argument for european governments therefore to use it as an excuse to break the convention. well we see this could be you assess i make yours just as the shield argument justice that we have to protect europe now is being used as 3 illegitimate. reasons not to respect the convention poorness thank you well while corona virus continues to be a crisis for the e.u. and birth strengthens government here in britain fewer and fewer cases are being reported in china joining me now via skype from geneva is fang yong health counselor for the permanent mission of china to the u.n. thanks so much for joining us britain had to reverse a decision to withhold information about coronavirus to its people how important is information being in china successful response to coronavirus mission. all the.

time the. news conference to the general public policy to you should measure why especially. if you're in geneva you must've been watching the media in nato nations what do you think of the way they're using coronavirus in effect to attack china the system of government in china the communist party in china and other media talk of that when they cover coronavirus cruel war it sees a wall against human carm so all we want to go there are to communicate to each other are. the best. between scientists. and the we want to go that far. of course like any war there's a lot of money to be made is china's communist party monitoring all the share

prices going up and down on big multinational drug companies saying they're getting closer to a vaccine or another is getting closer to a cure i'm not quite sure of the stock market but i believe this is the this is or should challenge to. chinese economy as well under many companies has already been affected but most important we need to recover we need to know all best who received all of the large of course numbers are declining of new cases in china i mean russia has 8.2 hospital beds but 1000 china has 4.2 hours with no beds for 1000 according to the w.h.o. britain only has 2.8 the united states only 2.9 what advice would you give to countries with less advanced health care systems specially in terms of numbers of beds anyway what advice would you give in the war against coronavirus when reached who you know measure and call into national situation. although you

know when you look at the figures maybe you could. call them the lower than you try not. to believe large this is no different to the situation in different countries so i think we can all use us all the population figure to. do in the whole health system but at the moment the advice is basically wash your hands no different than if we were in i don't know caveman times when corona virus a virus like wrote a virus by them which of course washing hundreds were really important because this is a 1st step we need to take on that also all know from always fair and aware if this mosque is also another measurements you know people need to pay there are so many that unknowns of all these diseases that will people well scientists know where

a clear idea or all of these. all in transmitted between you know and then move on and also human to human. a little bit harder for those scientists that will figure out that the advice in britain is not. to where a mosque deal where a mosque or well you just never just know commanded to where it's mosque. relevant measures and you know a lot of ways situation. thank air. that's it for the show will be back on wednesday with his u.k. prime minister for strong since government holds its last budget is in on the nation we'll ask if it can even come close to tackling the world's most pressing global pandemic all but take until then join me on the ground on twitter facebook satisfied and huge.

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