hello and welcome to cross talk there all things considered i'm peter lavelle russia and turkey negotiate deescalation regarding what is next for syria also coronavirus is it time to start rethinking the impact of globalization. talking some real news i'm joined by my guest underneath me good i own he is a professor at the moscow state institute of international relations we also have a political analyst and editor and innocently internet media project and in london we crossed who i was going to be here as he is a writer on legal affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let's go to london 1st alex we had a stress test over syria particularly and we had the leaders of turkey and russia meeting and we came to a conclusion now it could be spun

a lot of different ways but essentially the turks back down why. well i think the back down for 2 reasons firstly the the fount that militarily they were outmatched they're not in a position to take on the syrian army and the russian air force one on the same time and they were suffering casualties and i think that was one reason why they pulled back but the other reason was that they found that they had no diplomatic support or military support or political support from their western allies the united states ruled out any military action in support of turkey they refused to send it to provide air cover for turkish troops and turkey found that instead of europe coming to turkey support the europeans instead were very critical of turkey's actions in libya and along the border with greece where turkey has been

allowing refute g.'s to move migrants to move in their efforts to enter europe so i think the turkish government and president early gun made the correct decision in the circumstances which is that turkey really was not in a position to advance and to throw back the syrian army back to the original sort she sees far lawyers that were agreed in september 2018 and the result is that they pulled back and have allowed the syrian army to retain its military gains and they've taken steps to the way towards a reopening the highways but it's but this hasn't resolved the issue here because turkey still refuses to start dealing with this jarvis element that is in bedded in we it's like 2 steps forward one step back it's not resolving anything and a lot of people are saying this is a temporary solution to a problem that only turkey can now solve because we have to remind our viewers the

syrian government sees these jihadists elem. it's as terrorists and they must be dealt with and they're in the status quo cannot be maintained everyone wants to somehow maintain this status quo that's true and i think that earlier on miscalculate that. his policy and he didn't realize it that his position is not so exceptional which once was a bloke who was confronting whiston bloke at that time turkey was very important country inside the nato now everybody mention turkey its real place which means it will have to recall kill 8 and understand that turkey has a limited puts ability it's a limited options and that's why this is not going to be the last humiliation for him because he initially wanted. to bring the americans backing him against

russia he failed he want to reply exactly he wanted to bring e.u. blackmailed them and it didn't work and then he had to come to moscow to bow to putin and make that settlement which is of course temporary settlement because everyone in turkey they are talk actors strategic aim of turkey of course it's a might be strengthen its position in syria a territorial autumn ism syria's. or don't mind a leader a kind of he is a kind of salt but as i said the reality is that turkish possibilities and turkish good goals are not coincide it would seem that one of the things i really find surprising because with the end of the

cold war and we have this global reassessment going on. need to still looking for a mission to exist turkey she actually should be in a very strong position as a regional player but it seems to have it goes from one misstep to the other it's not playing to his advantages it constantly plays to its disadvantage for me it's remarkable well i think you're going to have to prove that god made huge mistakes and it's enough just to quote his statements in the last 2 weeks 1st russia must get out of the way and let me deal with you know on the 2nd one i have no problem with russia so basically i couldn't get it from self so many times but this is why does he have to deal with someone why you see in syria and says anybody gadget question this is a 3000000 what are the turks doing in syria is exactly the question but the more stable think is the editorial or the western media and the western elite because i

slightly disagree with that expression says that they would get no support at about let me go to the headline of the spiegel magazine right before the meeting between god and why the europeans must support that's the kind of language they're going to do logical ok you're both right the article said that but i'll examine experience i got because they didn't do i need to exactly but the more the more i see where you're sitting was the article from andrew higgins in the new times right after the meeting it will be prepared in advance most of it because it'd be a just you know minutes after the meeting and that so he gets right russia so far has refrained from a taken inside turkey because putin was hesitant about making and i'll try to tack on nato territory nato territory territory of. weaponry and it leaves is need to take a tree this is how they view it this is a good look york times and why but you know bloomberg is another thing that stunned

me you know yesterday they came out with the headline the agreement in more school is bad news for the west. just imagine you're not bad so if they're fighting well good boy the gates open the floodgates and the more standard will all to come with that you know that he can seize is some kind of a settlement settlement between russia and turkey because he writes putin previously or what it has failed in his previously successful efforts to cultivate new star began in the hope that turkey the easternmost member of nato would help prashar saw discord within the united states led military ok ok so this is little you may know but this is the because it's actually on its head let me go back to. deimos i mean our media expert here a wonderful research but the fact of the matter is if you look at the secretary mike pompei o during this process he was egging the turks on to confront russia because he

believed that russia would back down i mean the thing is is that they don't they've never wanted a resolution in syria that they can't control well everyone lost control pompei or no one's going to listen to and of course you have the hot air from the e.u. you know all of this is happening on the ground and they are going to determine the final outcome it's taking longer than we all thought but they will go ahead alex that well this is exactly the point because of course what happens was that yes there was some people in the u.s. government and in and in the e.u. and in the media who wanted to give full throated support to turkey and not just verbal support the stronger support well designed however the pentagon clearly and. unequivocally said no they are not prepared to go head to head with the russians on turkey's behalf in italy province

and it's important to stress it's not just the syrian government that recognizes these groups in italy. as terrorists the entire international community does the united nations does the united states does and the european union does and i think this is perhaps the single biggest flaw in the entire media narrative well no it doesn't exactly are you do it you just said flaw i will i would change the word for art ok this is the biggest fraud in the media here go ahead jump in go ahead. i think that the current situation it's clear that americans are tired of turkey and in america there is a very serious critical position towards their ground and its policy 2nd america is trying to bring back its troops from afghanistan and from other countries of the

middle east and nobody is going to increase american involvement in this area especially when you have elections forthcoming and when transuranic times trait is holding its thumb on the scale of exactly that this is the waste of money of a stove for it's a waste of lives which means in this situation and then a 2nd important thing is. what's at the especially europe they are tired of turkey and they're going on and nobody is looking through their fingers and that he is organizing a base car once or for refugees towards the border or european union moving ferreting out is it is repaired in syria to know exactly which means all is rhetorical in the sense that when it to support turkey we need to show

a unity over the past where there are 8 just you know. it's exhausted itself you did nothing to look at lot of lives each it's not having any impact on the russia and the russian leaders that's why putin what's so strong in the so strong position and he was very tough during this negligee it was interesting right prior to a demon the 30 seconds they were saying that the russians and blinked they were going to. tell me i was ball part of the media here don't you i think it's got most hilarious news came from the greek government you know the greek government newspaper reported that 64 percent. all of the people whom they arrested on the border with turkey cross into turkey well from afghanistan. so he is just finally in there from other countries from syria so much. that we have to say well no those people and the syrians if they want my syrians want to go home

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so she and i as a nation subject says champagne to us and investors but at the. grocery i say oh she's a mug for free you've got bored of the truck jumpers for beer not your mom happens you have to trade a bitch. i was. upset. because the global world was going to have to close to this needs it in your voice you just of us have the displeasure of us moving this but it's not something you're fighting with the left or some left. leaning left coast approach and that's 4 to 6 months because in the south. welcome back across the uk where all things are considered i'm people about to remind you we're discussing some real news.

because go back to alex in london let's switch gears and talk about the coronavirus and something that i don't think gets enough discussion is the coronavirus and globalization because you see the vulnerability of this this model this neo liberal model for the world economy it's has a lot of weaknesses we have supply chains under under threat we have to we're being forced to reconsider borders even though the left always talk and they believe in open borders well have you have an open border and you have a pandemic that is bad news for everyone i mean there are so many elements here and also with the rise of populist movements all across the globe the whole issue of sovereignty and the coronavirus is making people question or smart people question most people don't want to ask serious questions in the media go ahead alex and i mean this is the most extraordinary response to the coronavirus crisis has been the

fact that the european union has very clearly that he's intending to stand by the whole free movement because within the european union this is a time when it's been made clear that we have to have controls on movement in order to just control the spread of this virus so here we have the audio on and globalization if you like confronting the reality of the decision makers are going with the n.t. all inji rather than face with the reality that you think that the decision makers of this ideology are well protected from this virus they're always protected from all the downside all the negatives of this ridiculous ideology that does less and less for the average person. they're going to be fine don't worry about it alex ok the rest of us was here. negligently that is yeah i mean that it's very true to me because the open borders thing and then and then you look at these supply chains

probably get the year wrong so no hope no one's going to sue me i think it was in early 2000 the united states closed down its last factory to produce penicillin it's all imported from the outside primarily china and if you look at pharmaceuticals all around the world sourcing comes from china i'm not blaming china for being the source but globalization allowed that to happen where you have big pharma in the west becoming fabulously fabulously rich because you can outsource from china but when you have a situation like this where a country's supply chain slow down maybe they can export it because of the virus here i mean no one really seriously thought this out because globalization does put people at risk and we're seeing it with this virus i think that took kinks and became clear as a result of this corona were us when americans openly.

can ferret to day don't have enough equipment to make the tests which was very very surprising because any american politician who can tell the people that you know we are the great of country and they were the richest country in the world and they have only 1000 tests or something because they don't have equipment which means this is the result of this globalization of the affair and problem which is for me very interesting and i don't know what the answer how much global media is playing that negative role and easy used against china and the chinese economic interest because desmond i was in china of course think chinese. be more close and limiting their expansion is so global interest although. that's really one of the smartest people i know in

your right because you can throw in this element of racism as well that is being played well i was in london with alexander kira's actually about a week and a half ago and then the chinatown area was basically vacant ok i would say you know give me your the your ideology guys here ok. we'll house here but i mean what i'm what i'm trying to get at here is that this isn't because globalization has created allowed these threats to become more real. we have an opportunity to push back and reassess this ideology at the same time because i think that is in our our interest also and also themselves and we curious and later is that the american medical system is on trial right now let's talk about the ideology well history shows us that in many cases proponents advocates of titania data and i go just became their victims you know. especially in one study and destroyed the old

there was a good example so the same story here i think the initial reaction in the united states in the year was it's all china's fault there was a colorado there were fake mules you know what changes the government is all for their meat and they don't feel eat bats and they bats you know and then suddenly well 1st people in the west don't trust the media off the rush of the new trade to do separation after wards of coverups people taunt droste rattles media you know and then western media find it to stuff it seriously right in a ball their respects in san fransisco in the united states suddenly again and you're spiegel magazine they had a huge article about you in a quarantine you know in some fantasy school if you have a home office you're protected. but what about all of these hundreds thousands of people you know all who are delivering food the whole are still homeless situation

in san francisco and los exactly what about people who have to use public transportation you know who can or be driven. to their office by texas so suddenly this inequality becomes even more visible you know and and all of the talk about. you know huge wide wall which is open for you is suddenly becoming so hollow you know and the european suddenly we have a situation when the borders with are open and the disease can spread from there while just recently they refused to take people from syria who belonged to the government side please remember why did are certain his people fight so desperately against. the these were missed because they were left no choice europe was taken refugees from syria if they were on the side of the government so i think that this globalist ideology it's it trapped itself you know if. we go back to in london

but it's also a political weapon isn't it ok the chinese aren't prepared a line they'd they weren't transparent the the trump administration is slow in reacting i mean it's a cudgel i mean they i mean it's really quite pathetic people are being infected and some people are dying but no it's a political cultural that's what the good part of the mainstream media wants the us they're not interested in this virus they're interested in scoring political points in an election year. and that's and i think that was very true at the beginning especially when it was made the current kernel virus outbreak in china became as we've just heard the the excuse for 9 and a chinese campaign and a horrible one and of course it's now being imported back to the united states which is. campaign against donald trump but of course neither the address the underlying problem of how to deal with the break like this and it seems to me what

the coronavirus affair show is one you need a strong government and strong will thought routines in a moment of crisis to deal with the matter of a crisis of this nature as china shows china doesn't have such a strong government and that goes back to the question of sovereignty that you were identified on and the 2nd is the basic your entire economy on financial financialization on the financial services and ignoring manufacturing and resources and relying on just in time supply chains from around the world exposes you to enormous risks and these are points that have been made many times yes you haven't seen. the truck been ministration is being blamed for this but it was a trumpet that moved all of these factories in charges in china ok i mean if you basically

you know it's easy to blame trump and it's easy to blame these political elites and their culpable but not trump he wasn't around at the time but you know china quite gladly started building this equipment because it's high value high margin equipment that you can export to the world i mean they're all winter here and i think your point is excellent taken here is that this is a strategy to slow that down and to start. truncating their growth which of course is kind of stupid because we've gotten down the path of globalisation so much that of china sneezes and i hate using this for. the rest of the world's gets a call to ok so it's too late to do that ok yeah exactly i want. this truth concerning the united states where the united states never has a job to do. the rest or the world. quite cold. it goes to chinese because they are producing everything practically but you know what if it

was. another information which you have put the words widely circulated in american media that google was on microsoft and others. propose their employees to home to work from the home you know not at 1st i want. to come back to. the this idea here you can have gated communities but gated gated communities can survive without supply or food or you know some other kind of service that is but who is going to provide it and that's why this is a very important point that state must be strong and state my story arc to this kind of hit me but it could use me in the american context is that the the the american medical establishment there they're not they have the interested national

security they're interested in shopping that don't get one minute finish it up going well i think that we can summarize it by recording the situation from a jew well normal other war all the worlds you remember the martians have basically invaded all of the world and in the end they die from a virus that they have that is basically causing people sneeze you know so the globalization was so huge and there was so much destruction so many wars done and nowhere seen it been done by a small wire us probably of the one that discouraged the martians you need to know it's going alex i mean here is the last 20 seconds go to you. i think that we learn a lot from the corona. outbreak and i think that this recall is a radical change in our economic models and that's not about china it's

a proud us in the west in places like greece and that we have to start looking at our own ways of doing things and we need to change them and that means building back already industries and not blaming the chinese that we don't have them anymore when we just saw everybody everybody write that down on a little post dated put it on your refrigerator because it's worth hearing that again from alexander mackerras all the time we have gentlemen many thanks my guest here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time remember across the us. they're not ones out. on the flu is often not done one might have seen a time the definition is enough i'm back. south. taking the night you could see the south

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creating these problems it's a huge epidemic of problems all of them i believe can be linked to very simple problem of diet and some dog owners so heartbreaking stories about their pets last treats the larger corporations are not very interested in proving or disproving the value of their food because they're already making a $1000000000.00 on it and there's no reason to do that research. ah. ah.

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