this is what it was because these events include all cultural fishing for the grammys. just 10 pm this thursday night here in moscow good evening in the headlines former army intelligence analyst and whistleblower chelsea manning in hospital tonight after attempting suicide in jail she's been refusing to testify further in the u.s. wiki leaks government telling all about the latest with elsewhere it's no idea leaders allow president donald trump's decision to suspend all air travel to the u.s. from 26 european countries stressing that the coronavirus pandemic requires a coordinated international response. and europe struggles to find a common approach to tackle the virus outbreak with italy now confirming over 15000 people infected we speak to an emergency room doctor about the challenges on the

very front line of the. committed to differ community doesn't follow the restrictions on the numbers continue to rise at a certain point our ability to help people reach its limit. hi there very good a very warm welcome for me kevin i knew what she thought international life for the next hour from our world newsroom here is take you through the headlines as reported from russia tonight and 1st off news about imprisoned u.s. chelsea manning recovering in hospital after attempting suicide in jail she was due to appear in court this coming friday morning has been in prison since may for a few zing to testify against wiki leaks before a grand jury saskia taylor earlier got more on the developments from our correspondent. but it was allegedly a very very close run thing because the gods when they found her she was hanging by

a sheet in her cell unresponsive unconscious and blue already blue they got their entire unfortunately the they took her down administer 1st aid she was still breathing they rushed her to the hospital and everything is now 5 there is no danger to her health she she's responsive she's talking to her lawyers and unfortunately for jews who appear in court tomorrow a day after you know a near death experience ms manning is still scheduled to appear on friday for a previously calendared hearing she remains unwavering in her refusal to participate in a secret grand jury process that she sees as highly susceptible to abuse her actions today evidence the strength of her convictions as well as the profound harm she continues to suffer as a result of her civil confinement simmered just talk us through what's happened what's led to this moment as sentence initially which is many years over a decade was commuted by barack obama said 7 years so chelsea manning was jailed

back in 2010 for providing we can leaks for leaking to wiki leaks thousands hundreds of thousands of classified documents from the pentagon. give us a bit of backstory i mean what has landed manning behind bars again well over the

last she has been a seesaw for chelsea manning a very unpleasant one so last year she was ordered to testify before a grand jury a grand jury is a panel of citizens who have been called by the state to investigate whether a crime has been committed and what to do about it whether to prosecute or whether the let it go and the court ordered chelsea manning to testify before this parable about her ties to julian assange and wiki leaks about the documents that she had handed over in 2010 something that she says she has already done so she said to the judge no i won't do it this is you know this is the government abusing the law in order to go after whistle blows to go after journalists to muzzle them to shut them up which is something that chelsea manning doesn't want to do she further says that

this is a she has already testified she has said what she had to say earlier on attempting to corus me with a grand jury subpoena is just not going to work. i will not cooperate with this or any other grand jury the questions are the same questions that i was asked before the court martial in my you know in 78 years ago it there's nothing new there's not they're not asking anything new they're out there there's no new information that they're trying to get from me in fact that the questions are very much the the same things that i've gone over the judge didn't like that at all so he ordered her to be indefinitely detained incarcerated behind bars until she talked she was let go for a few months then ordered back to prison until she talked furthermore 5 as well progressively larger fired every day at this point she's been fined a $1000.00 for standing by her principles censured and you talk there about how

it's been a kind of tough few years for us probably an understatement i mean we know she spent such a long time in jail 7 years before then back again in march 29th i mean have human rights reacted to their son and what what has been the reaction of those there's been all sorts of reaction from from of variety of organizations from rights groups from journalists unions and many organizations have come out and said what is happening is simply unacceptable the u.n. says that what the united states is doing keeping her president till she says what's the what they want to hear is essentially torture continued detention of manning is not a lawful sanction but an open ended progressively severe coercive mentira amounting to torture and should be discontinued and abolished without delay the practice of coercive depreciation of liberty for civil contempt involves the intentional infliction of progressively severe mental and emotional suffering for the purposes of coercion and intimidation and the order of judicial authorities obviously she

tried to kill herself so the pressure must be getting to and you know no matter how no matter how strong someone these how how how set by their principles they are incarceration in these huge winds and the pressure it all builds up. they have more gassed if their well we spoke to 2 lawyer not to his kevin zeese who believes the whistleblower was never going to give in to pressure from u.s. officials here. on this whole case is an injustice and a violation of her basic human rights the secret grand jury system in the united states is very unfair it only allows the prosecutor in the room with the jurors no defense lawyer no defendant only hear one side of the story that's what manning is protesting so i know her and she's a very strong person but obviously it's a lot of pressure but i think she's more likely go out of that gel dead then testifying she is not going to change your opinion she's made that clear and that's

why this friday the judge should end this injustice and release or this is a violation of u.s. law by laser international law and needs to come to an end really signals where the trouble is going when it comes to julian a songe wiki leaks they already have an indictment against julius onj they are not supposed to use the grand jury for the purpose of gathering evidence to prove that indictment but it shows to me that the government is not very confident about the evidence they have or about that indictment they want more. arrest the program dedicated to corona virus 1st the e.u. shop he criticized president trump's decision to suspend most ad travel from europe to 30 days in the sponsor the worsening virus crisis the block's leaders on thursday defended the measure is that they've taken they say to tackle the pandemic and stressed the need for international coordination reporting from belin. but with

the world split over the best way to try and deal with the coronavirus that continues to spread what we're seeing is a spotter merging between your leadership and the u.s. president donald trump this is after the president announced a ban on travel for foreign nationals from within the zone in europe to the united states apparently in a move he made well without consulting his allies on this side of the atlantic the president though says it was necessary to keep new creations from entering her sure's we will be suspending all travel from europe to the united states for the next 30 days the new rules will go into effect friday at midnight need to coronavirus is a global crisis not limited to any continent and it requires cooperation rather than unilateral action the european union disapproves of the fact that the u.s.

decision to impose a travel ban was taken unilaterally and without consultation with donald trump by an comes after the world health organization declared coronavirus to be a global pandemic but the more you look at it the more it seems well pretty arbitrary really those nations that involves of the 26 that make up the shame game so it doesn't include the united kingdom it doesn't include ireland there's absolutely nothing to stop somebody say flying from here where i am in berlin over to london and then on to the united states saying somebody can fly from paris to dublin then on to the united states then when you look at exactly who it involves it only involves foreign nationals so u.s. citizens and those with permanent residence can still travel from these countries also those married to u.s. citizens or permanent residents the parents or guardians of u.s. citizens of permanent residence under the age of $21.00 the same goes for siblings of those that fit that criteria plane crews all. ship crews as well arriving in the

us they're not covered nor on members of foreign governments it does seem incredibly convoluted it does seem like it's going to be a bit of a nightmare to enforce if it's actually even enforceable putting news that it was announced that's hit the european economy pretty hard we've seen the markets tumble with stocks fall to their lowest in the last 4 years but while leaders are increasingly unhappy with the actions taken by the u.s. president there's also infighting within the e.u. over the best way to handle coronavirus and also how to handle those member states hardest hit by this virus concern over the coronavirus is running at fever pitch in the year right now it's now caught up in the corona virus panic sweeping the globe major concepts and sports events could well be canceled in an effort to stop the spread of the corona virus so i think it's a very impactful business down productivity but also limiting travel tourism and

large public events as new cases reported in europe huge by good cases italy italy on lockdown sweeping quarantine back to order of the population italy could be justified in promoting a lack of unity from their neighbors earlier this week the italians pleaded with brussels for more help rome should not be left to handle this crisis alone this is a crisis that requires a global 1st and foremost a european response we are thankful to the european commission for its positive engagement but it's time now for the e.u. to go beyond engagement and consultations with emergency actions that are quick concrete and effective while the european commission announced a multi 1000000000 euro aid package for member states to help them deal with the crisis there was no specific date for italy announced leaving the hardest hit in europe to rely on the hardest hit in the world for the aid they say. sorely need.

after get that italy supported china during the most difficult times of fighting the potomac now we also want to stand by the italian people although china still has a large demand for medical supplies we will step up our efforts to export urgently needed materials and equipment to eataly literally tons of protective clothing facemasks globes and all important lifesaving ventilators from china are expected to be in italy by the weekend meanwhile the e.u. nations can't decide what to do with italy with some fencing themselves off from their beleaguered neighbor if we switch to i should focus is what we don't want things to get out of proportion as you fly because it needs to be useful and because this is only the beginning of the epidemic and if we take disproportionate measures they will be unsustainable in the long run and there's counterproductive i sincerely believe that these out there decisions european carbonation is much more

efficient efforts that can farm and post votes are more efficient measures requiring patients to be responsible and stay home quarantine measures are much more efficient. and if you're expecting that powerhouse of european politics uncle or merkel to bring some calm to the current situation you'd be disappointed the german chancellor is expecting things to get worse before they get better but a muslim 1st in the us if you will start we have to understand that the population have no need to the virus there is no vaccine so far now treatment experts say about 60 to 70 percent of people in germany are likely to be in fact it if the virus continues spreading. the cost more people will die here too perhaps recognising the disjointed response from the european union the chancellor also called for solidarity and unity between the member states but all the e.u. members were left only impressed i don't want to comment on the city. in germany

although i believe that such statements rather cause panic in any case we have adopted strong measures for such worst case scenarios to be out of the question with the coronavirus and trenching itself in europe so it seems is division in how to tackle it peter all of r.t. . is using from italy to tell you about as the coronavirus crisis deepens there over 15000 have now been diagnosed with covert 19 with the death toll now this evening put it over 1000 r.t. met an emergency room doctor on the very front line of all this to try to learn more about the difficulties they're facing them to deal with it.

turn up the rest of the night was very exhausting just like all night so over the past 2 weeks around here we saw dozens and dozens of people of varying ages that arrive in our emergency room with coronavirus like. ringback it's clear that if the community doesn't fall of the restrictions the numbers continue to rise at a certain point our ability to help people reach its limit. ringback and the approximately 40 patients that are waiting to be admitted will be the same problem which is coronavirus like. so what to do that about all this will tech companies be looking to step up their role of holding the spread of cope with various ups have been developed to

highlight increasing risk but the critics are out over whether or not it crosses the line on privacy here is some of the examples in the spotlight the one application asks for your postcode but goes as far as asking about your personal hygiene to including how often you wash your hands others get people to publish their virus like symptoms and from that data then a maps created showing supposed high risk infection areas and all that use the personal data could of course fall foul of the law companies in the you are facing a number of obstacles to take tough action against the pandemic firstly it's illegal to use location data in any way to track someone who's sick employees also can't take raw. and the temperature readings for this stuff. have their hands tied to in gathering other data unless medical professionals are involved in the process so good plan and not in these difficult times less talk to a bill muse and also list talk to martin summers martin summers independent journalist bill mew. is

a previously activist know only come to you 1st of all bill you for against this i think your position is it's a time of necessity so you know you would probably normally agree with this that this up or getting this information in these very difficult times is a good thing i don't put words in your mouth where do you stand. but in talking to this question submittals we're going to build 1st search. courier we already have something like google maps which is actually able to take where we have google maps and things like that that are able to take our location on an anonymized basis and actually provide us an idea of how traffic is operating if it can be made to work in that way where data is anonymous and we can have a service that provides some form of utility to the general population then there is real potential here to to provide a service that would be absolutely necessary in this kind of occasion the concerns

here are privacy and well actually the technology and these apps are sophisticated enough to do something in that particular manner it took an enormous amount of time so development to refine the google maps service and i don't think we've probably had that much refinement about some of the apps we're talking about here yeah i was going to say who puts these people online are they for other they got a commercial benefit they're not put there for the by the governments generally other the private enterprises you know with some elements of profit making it no. i think they'll probably have an answer on the last model is going to come back you know 2nd went out we're talking here and there are various different options martin over. you there yeah your grants not jones and some will have different funding finding ways to be a bit low on the liability come in the market what do you think about this them. well the legal position is private companies all of definitely prevented from using this data in the way that you've described but i find it rather odd

because we know for a fact that states or engaging in lots of covert surveillance of the population. anonymized surveillance and surveillance which is allows them to identify individuals and of course they've got no such restrictions in china which have led which some would argue has led them to have a much more robust response than more open societies. i think this debate about privacy in the use of information is a wider debate than this particular crisis i think the doesn't need to be defenses against states legal defenses but i have to say as a cynic i don't believe that the states in the west of of the of a bound by these rules anyway so in a sense it's all a bit of a debate about nothing they can and do for military and political reasons surveyed the population as we know from the river revelation it would snowden overs. but so

at the same time were agonizing over whether they should use this information and in this emergency which i found rather old who's policing marks in these are suppose they've got some small print with you when you sign up to it to tell you about 3rd parties who could be 3rd parties bait taking the information. all information as we know is basically hackable as we see in the past for example when iranians of hacked into israeli drones and shown that they're actually capable of getting inside the system and look at snowden a lonely sob employee of the of the national security agency. who walks away with all of the information that they that they've been gathering this is the problem with these total surveillance systems is that all it takes is one more hacking and all the information that you've carefully gathered about everybody is taken by somebody else anyway as we all know proper terrorists just don't go online and stay out of sight out of the view but i would argue that we do need laws to protect the

citizens but the laws us to be rational and realistic than in the situation like this you could have were basically people being asked to volunteer information about where they've been and what they've done and the shouldn't be any problem in offering the phone to you know legitimate medical personnel so that they can use it to help them fight this crisis and we build this kind of thing was tried in china we don't quite know what's going on behind closed doors there but it looks like it's help work keep a lid on it things are slowing down the infection rate but you know the question here people going to be signing up to these ups for the greater good people you know in italy for instance i was talking to a friend over there they're really taking this on board they're doing it for their neighbors for their friends for their family for their country people are going to want to sign up to these for the greater good to try and keep a lid on this pandemic but what is the what's the assurance to anyone signing up to it end of the day that their data is going to be scrapped after this is all gone

away what they've put in there is going to be disposed of there's no resources there. i think we can put in place certain restrictions on the privacy and on the security i think actually if you take a really security 1st approach that there's no reason why you can't keep the data secure and there's no reason why you can't abide by g.d.p. our dispose of the date data once the virus is over and therefore i don't think those are necessarily the real issues here i think before more serious than that is actually some of the more why the practicalities how you going to oversee the system where you get people to register. accurately at the moment we've only actually had about 600 positive tests for a current of us virus in this country there are many many people still waiting to be tested and suspected that the actual rates of infection is far higher possibly as high as 10000 always going to be registering of tracking the 600 are we going to

be trying to reach that 10000 how we can register and how we can have an application single application where everyone can use because if everyone isn't using the same application it's actually fairly meaningless i mean the technology exists the google map shows us that we can do this and it helps us spot traffic jams all the time i mean can keep that information secure so actually if we give them time to do this sort of thing and we're actually able to focus on a single application and make it work yes this is feasible but i just think it's all a bit hurried we don't have a single focus on a single up we don't actually have the permissions structure we're not able to identify accurately the people who we actually need to track and actually some of the security in the privacy provisions haven't been put in and minded about and if we're going to rush this then the chance of it being secure and everything working accurately is very unlikely to be a sufficient he this should be a government kind of site an official site yet not some scatter gun thing put out there amongst a number of others by making you know commercial operation if you like it should be

an official is that what you say. if the n.s.a. if the n.h.s. was running it in this country there would be a high level of trust actually if they'd approached it some time ago long before this crisis that occurred giving some a level of crisis preparedness then maybe we've been a position where we'd have something workable where were the security would have been built in from the word go where the some of the privacy applications and. implications would have been mapped out a long time ago and actually it would be ready to switch on to run and maybe this is a lesson that we need to learn for crisis preparedness in the future facing not only future. pandemics but future environmental crises any don't think type of things like this maybe we need to be a little bit better prepared marty we've missed a trick here in the u.k. at least we're hearing people criticizing boris johnson's response the government sponsors per thetic in some quarters even if the n.h.s. word put out like this on the official one it's too late anyway what's the point of

it. well i mean boris johnson famously said let's take it on the chin which seems absolutely extraordinary although he now seems to switch his position 180 degrees but then that's the sort of thing he does all the time i think there are real issues which are being forced by this crisis about what we do with data who gets access to it and why and also it is potentially a very a useful tool for dealing with a pandemic like this because we've got all of this communications infrastructure which was not liking during the black death for example which was allow us to act collectively to protect ourselves i will not use the technology. we're not using in 2020 the technology to it to its best effect is saying we've and the horse has bolted got a point is too late now yeah. well that's what i that's what i said earlier an actual fact of people are worried about being surveyed by the state then that's too

late the state is surveying everybody and so are private corporations embedded in the states and that's why i'm not that concerned about that in one way but it is not the way i am because of course behind all of this is a movement towards a surveillance society control boy doc forces which we don't really thoroughly understand the nuts definitely a danger and we've got to be aware of it let's talk about employers should employers have greater rights bill for you in this one should employers have greater rights to scan their employees as they come in should special measures be brought into force now and quickly to let's talk about the u.k. where you are. well of. their own marketing and business of the release. i think what we need here is one of our own lives employees repairing us we will act we we liked crisis preparedness when it came to

the financial crisis some time ago where we simply didn't have a mechanism in place to prevent that happening to realize what the risks and the risk landscape was there we're facing a pandemic now where we simply weren't preferred prepared for this particular type of crisis the crises ahead they may be environmental they may be a sleeper crisis which will directly impact our data we possibly need to use this as a lesson that we learn from that we need to have the level of crisis preparedness and we possibly need to have applications of this calling which are there to support us in some type of future crises that are adaptable so that they can be applied to a medical crisis a server crisis an environmental crisis or whatever but possibly the thinking needs to be done well in advance so that we can put in place the security measures that we can put in the in place the privacy provisions so that we can test things that let you know there's a lot of wood issues are good and there is no doubt appropriately given the actually thought out the approach given the world crisis at the moment given the

figures come up with britain are expected to rise exponentially over the next couple of weeks again as we go through the main drag of this who should have been in charge of this and if we're going to do that would have should have could. martin who should have sorted this out by now than. well it's funny you should mention the financial crisis because we've had 12 years since 2008 and actual fact nothing has been done to control the operations of financial markets and we can see we can see that very clearly no in the situation where this crisis of medical crisis is perceived surge a crisis in the markets that all should have been sorted out but it wasn't that doesn't lead to confidence on the. all of the old repopulation go any bodies are actually in a sufficient position to manage this we're going to have to leave it there we're going to break out into thanks ever so much with us tonight much appreciated have a good night thank you gentlemen. and thank you for watching too so much more on the coronavirus thing what's going on there at r.t. dot com a social media i'm kevin on but with more in half an hour meantime great programs

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