thank. you. but i am asked kaiser this is the kaiser report let's start off with a quote from our board einstein here who once said that compound interest is the 8th wonder of the world he who understands it earns it he who doesn't pays it this is a remarkable quote from my study and it has so much to do with today's stock market volatility and the coronavirus all working at the same time and showing what compound interest is all about or what exponential. algorithmic expediency is up yet stacey what's up max we're thinking exponentially in this

episode a kaiser report during the exponential spread of the pandemic coronavirus we're looking at the 2nd half of the chessboard as it is called and i want might want to add that today is my birthday so turning one year older in the midst of an exponential pandemic which is hitting the mortality rates go exponential as you get older is not fun to turn a year older in the middle of a pandemic but before we get into the exponential growth of the pandemic let's look at the result of the exponential growth in debt over the past few decades chis report of course has been reporting on this non stop for the past 10 years and i want to look at these 2 charge is the 30 year treasury and the price of oil if you turn it upside down you see the exponential it's going exponential down 30 year

treasury yield is well below a one percent oil price obviously we collapsed 30 percent on the opening on monday of this week the price of money whether it's cash 2 year note 5 year no 10 year note 30 or no is approaching 0 so money has no value whatsoever gold 'd is hitting new all time highs in currencies everywhere in the world that will soon be having a new all time high against the u.s. dollar because it is holding steady it's all the great it started out at $1.00 it's now you know hovering between $7.00 and $9000.00 per because. you know this is the store of value the safe havens that people are going to run to when money becomes worthless and negative rates become the norm so money is worth less than nothing that's worth less than the toilet paper people are hoarding as a matter of fact toilet paper percy is now worth more than a dollar per. sheets in some instances people are paying $67080.00

a roll for toilet paper that is an exponential growth in the price of a sheet of toilet paper paper that is indeed correct and of course i do want to remind you we are in the middle of a bit of a pandemic in which you're supposed to wash your hands all the time and not touch your face so please max do not touch your face otherwise that clip will go viral you know everybody who touches their face goes viral i want to add because it's my birthday max got me something even rarer than the gold ring you got its hands on the ties are that is also in short supply so again that is tied to our hyper exponential growth in sort of globalization that happened for example it was in just one year that 95 percent of the capacity to produce facemasks medical masks met and personal protection equipment was exported to china it happened one year in the last 10 years so that was an exponential growth in the export of our jobs but

now we are left helpless and that's so on top of that we have this exponential growth and debt that has left us very fragile the opposite of what nassim taleb would say is anti-fragile had we had the capacity for example to produce our own medical equipment our own medical supplies our own pharmaceuticals we don't have that so what we have is essentially controlled unplanned central bank run economy and that is where everybody is looking for answers to a pandemic which is just bizarre in the past week before as this crisis was unfolding we saw the st louis fed president bollard says credibility of central banks seems to be eroding so comparing it again to 2008 and the 2008 crisis when we saw gold sell off by 30 percent over the course of 6 months i don't think we're going to see that this time because as he points out rightly so i believe that the fed has lost credibility and. and there is nothing but faith in the sense of

a fee up currency world so i think central banks have been the biggest buyers of gold since 2008 so you have strong hands holding gold at the moment rather than those we can's of the hedge funds that had to sell off gold in order to meet margin positions back in 2008 so this is my instinct i could be wrong but this is what my instinct is telling me people are losing faith in central banks so central banks replaced every institution and society they replace the church they replace the schools they place the markets with no price discovery and so it's very this is part of the transformation of the global economy in particular the american economy into what's called the american market fundamentalism where it's pure theocratic fanaticism believing in the sanctity of the central bank and now that disappear and now prices are finding a level that reflects the true supply and demand of

a genuine economy and those prices are going to be a lot different than what we've seen in the last 30 years it's just bizarre to be in america and watch that this is a genuine fundamentalism everybody from the president to senators to congress to legislators everybody's expecting the fed to rescue the entire like to stop somehow a biological event a viral event that is spreading and killing people and i want to bring this back to because we have always been talking about the pandemic of money printing and the nonstop it's exponential growth and that there's been an exponential growth in debt since 2008 mostly from china but also in the corporate sector in the united states especially the fracking and the energy sector. i suppose that's going to blow up rapidly but other sectors are going to blow up as well and whether or not we can print our way out of that i don't think so i think. you'll see intervention by the state with fiscal policies instead of monetary policies because no choice but in

terms of the way markets can predict things we have this spooky event which was last summer june july when we interviewed royce a bog here and you know negative interest rates broke all laws of the physics of finance so we were asking him and he's a great thinker he runs full money i'm in a dot com and what he said that could possibly be the case is that. negative rates were predicting a mass decline in population a mass extinction sort of event he didn't know whether it was going to be by choice people would just stop having children because it was too much debt for example or some sort of pandemic and it's interesting that the markets the hive mind of the markets saw this coming like no matter how much humans think were above all other creatures on earth whether they're insects that or the amazon rain forest or the

creatures the 95 percent of species that we wiped off the face of the earth the fact is we're still connected to them and we see we see this coming and we see that we have this 1000000000 year old instinct for survival and for what's coming so i think like where that herd stampeding across the serengeti there is the hierarchy there's only guy and guy is mother earth and it's all one we are all one all one living organism and humans started to behave as a cancer and so a guy is trying to push them out of the ecosystem and they can do this in 2 ways the one they introduce because which kills off the money and i believe the problem with money and central banks today is the presence of because which is the apex predator or in the universal cosmic economy and then coronaviruses just other obvious example of gaia depopulating planet earth the. intuited this you

know with negative interest rates and it brings us to the 3 d.s. remember look at the economy using your 3 d. goggles diggle is a sion dollars ation depopulation i don't think it necessarily had to be that situation i don't think that was the obvious outcome of this but i think it was because of the exponential growth in debt that we had no choice in the us and we also were unfortunate have trump as president at a time where he only believes in the price of the stock market whatever that is and it must go up exponentially. at all costs the fed seems to believe that as well as do all of the bankers that they serve because we there wasn't any time the market started to correct even a little bit they had to intervene and you know all that exponential debt is also playing out in the you know the political sector because what exponential that is is not only did we have negative rates in which time had no value but exponential debt was stealing from the future and we got so far into the future now they're

trying to issue a 100 year bonds and that's like stealing generations that haven't been born but at the moment where they're the boomers are definitely klyde ing with generation z. and millennial is and you see that in the political space you know the choice between neoliberal status quo biden continue as it is and bernie sanders who wants to tear it out down and bring in you know it's basically redistribute the wealth or redistribute at least some of the risk and all of that debt put it back on the balance sheet of the boomers from which it came but i think this is also that collision and in terms of political events you know hyper inflation is the most political event of all remember in 20082000 i report we covered everybody in the gold and money sector work saying well is it going to be inflation or deflation with all this money printing some a said it might be hyperinflation but there was never that doubt as bollard says you know that there's doubt now there's

a lack of faith in the central banks looks as a fed has lost control 10 year u.s. yields collapsed after fed 50 basis point emergency cut and it's fed has ramped up balance sheet there you see when they tried to taper the ponzi scheme last year now they're having to expand the balance sheet but at the same time again the hive mind the bond investors never believed that that was like if you turn it upside down that was exponential growth and basically the 10 year yield of the central banks of the cassar you know they approach it like a citadel and so they're taking all that stuff into into. the citadel and are not yet at the point where we're declaring that victory over central banks because they have the ability to expand their citadel exponentially and the boomer play the coronavirus it targets 6070 and 80 year olds that's a way to pass on some hope to the younger generation also the boomers tend to hate bitcoin so here we have

a pandemic of the corona virus and the pandemic of bitcoin all targeting the 607080 year olds that's trying to pass the baton on to younger more enlightened generation i might add that nassim taleb i mentioned his organization system risk they say he says for a new 50 year olds they should all not go outside at all that's gaia floria of course he's 60 or so anyway stay tuned much more coming your way don't go away. we have to realize we are all living on a small fragile spaceship together and it's really no different than a bunch of people in a harsh environment trying to rely on each other to survive we we are interconnected on this planet we rely on each other or do around the world to survive as a species. descriptions

sound up to tell using even for the owners. how to choose pet food industry is telling us what to feed our pets really more based on what they want to sell us than was necessarily good for the pet. food may not be the people believe we have the animals that have you know diabetes in arthritis they have auto immune disorders these allergies we are actually creating these problems it's a huge have a demo. the problems in all of them i believe can be linked to very simple problem of diet and some dog owners so heartbreaking stories about their pets last treats the larger corporations are not very interested in proving or disproving the value of their food because they're already making a $1000000000.00 on it and there's no reason to do that research.

shows seemed wrong what i'll call just all. the old beliefs yet to shape our disdain become educated and in gains from it because of the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart. just a look for common ground. welcome back to the kaiser report imax keyser time now to turn to steve keen he's the author of the bunking economics he's got an amazing patriotic page at profess or profit steve kean where you can basically become a student for much cheaper than going to any university away on the universities are no good steve welcome back good to him actually i like the resume that i do

like to share now let's talk coronavirus you recently wrote that we need to start thinking exponentially in order to can tain the coronavirus elaborate on this what does thinking exponentially look like steve well it's it's actually a great old analogy max that there's 2 of them want to do is imagine you go. willy growing on a pond and it dials and saws every day and it gets to be coming out are sent on it will kill off off if you get to the stage that it's 50 percent of the on how much longer if you've got one mode so if you do a lie it you know it's not big enough it will end with it without a loss for that is it will increase by the factor of 6 am and you'll be oh well and i want everybody on knows that the king who has a mathematician who helps him win a battle and he says i'll give you anything you want and the law says well i want these one liners cross on the 1st where the chess board 2 on the 2nd 4 on the

eccentric cetera and by this time if you go so that this thing's square what do you think she has a bogen he realizes discuss going to go the entire kingdom so he hasn't kills that's what's going on with her head of ours it doubles at the moment by the looks of things about every 5 to 7 days which means that they only every way there are fossils many guises so if there's they say if you get to the size we're off the world is infected let's say 25 weeks with 26 everybody's got. and therefore you really have to move as early as you can just lie down and if you. decide i'm going to stay wife mother will you by doing that you increase the doubling talk or you might say one way to which and that has an enormous difference on how long we have to react and we really have to increase doubling by some or the order to wait 2 months if we do that we might actually go do it what was that saying before everybody gets this interesting they say people have difficulty in conceptualizing

in a exponential way problem like this you know particularly interesting when you consider that for the past 25 years the entire global economy of the entire global stock market has been driven by social media companies that are driven by the so-called network effect which is the exponential bureau of the network of the social media they refer to these things as growing like viruses and this is really defines our world is the network effect virus effect like growth of social media so then we get a biological virus and suddenly people get stupid they're like i don't get it how can it double and how going to double in size every few days is i don't understand this seems to be a massive disconnect but anyway you have a plan steve keen to basically give everybody. a some money to stay home and stop the spread of the disease i believe this is already being done in

places like china tell us more this is one case where the capitalist system which works brilliantly when you try to get as i want to study the bios will break down because this simply know why the market system will function this through a period where you have to offload everybody to something like amounts and it's particularly bad now because we have so many people on precarious contracts who have the lucky to have. 2 weeks of income like qana for it not to be connected so for wakes we have people paying mortgages with a load of mortgage that household debt compared to what it was back at the time of the loss and then which was back in the spanish flu in not tonight saying we have 4 times the level of household debt that at that stage so if we went says the total freedom act that none of this government and all since what would happen is the huge proportions of population to rent would file the pay their rent they would

face eviction which would make the infection worse because they'd be on the straights and possibly that those around you have a mortgage it might be most days they'd be evicted from their houses the people who are the most withdraws would find that their debts are no longer worthwhile so they draw down their assets ought we can have a financial intelligence that makes the coronavirus us and in that situation a policy that i have put forward about a decade ago to say we usually run as of the 2000 that financial crisis what are called a moment to aaa that i think is now i never thought that nature has this thing in a minute but i think now because we have this intentional one month right which we need to start with are simply play that one month reich would have to be cut by government giving money to everybody to say is enough cash to pay you rent by. immobile. small businesses not just all when that when they go i just miss the

restaurants bring in obvious example and. created money injected never got it back asked what francis well coles people spot is had a saying that's what we need to get over this process if we don't do it then the financial effects may be as devastating as it is itself right now you make an instant point there we are witnessing central bankers and leaders of the i.m.f. and financier's and people associated with wall street go on television and talk about ways to curb the coronavirus by printing money for them by bailing them out by giving them more quantitative easing by lowering interest rates around the world as we saw at the fed the fed statement at the treasury the united states says we're going to fight coronavirus by job owning jay powell 'd at the federal reserve to cut interest rates by 500 basis points and to your point. that

money could go toward. having people stay at home which would actually curb the virus by giving bankers more money and by the way during these press conferences they're touching their face they're blowing their nose they're spreading the virus during the press conference asked begging for more of a bell out money when they could just give money to people and stop the spread of coronavirus you know this is like 2008 as you said back then there could have been a quantitative easing for the people bell out the debtors instead of the creditors and here we are again in 2020 instead of bailing out the people that are sick by keeping them home the response by the kleptocrats is going to big hey let's give more money to jamie diamond again isn't there a connection can't you say that the malfeasance and poor judgment of bailing out the banks in 2008 actually led to the rise of coronavirus by.

instituting malinvestment around the world and now we have the result of that they've gained i wouldn't blame us on q. and a i wouldn't blame it on global warming and climate change a that want to blame it on the scene that coastline and shine and that's that human pressure putting on the environment because that is like a para locals to us given this global warming now with the same recent studies saying that the the the mass of animals on the planet all that mass 90 percent of them are either humans or animals that humans very upset h. and o. use it in a lot of oceans so with might associate because they pose for a pathogen by putting too much of a strain on the planet there's no read that it is know why that of ours is going to survive and prosper by infecting toggles because we're watching them that they're dying out of us dying out on the status of the us a place for a host of the vote is humanity now it isn't again we want to see into a as

a spin practice as yet another ineffective policy people who are in shock and awe to send a system that runs and that was it was just an accent because the money from chile which is about a trillion dollars e.a.m. drilled in terms of a real economy maybe about $100000000000.00 a year through into the salaries and bonuses the finance sector so the plan will gain is that just a claim as i got to play in the mental game is it cetera et cetera so it was a trivial and analysts trivial amount of a lodger amount if it inderal economy guy to some growth but massively inflated asset process but that set us up for a problem now because they balance sheets of banks into the interest of companies late on the value of the stock market which if this keeps on going the profit of ours it will plunge that may banks might go that route because that bounce a copy of the fed reserve enable so you really have to side throughout the infected

by. the seats give money to the people directly which is what they need to get through the one month which are not oss marcion that has. allowed companies to go bankrupt and still function because we caught in forcing all rules of the market right now and directly by ship is the same why the japanese central bank has been doing for some time by those who support the market rather than giving the money to the finance sector in the hope that she is because at some point they want help with the money and run and they're going to have a lot without an engine and the japanese central banks on 70 percent of the stock market that's it a situation of having a stock market crash a financial sally got the payment system writing down and i see that we end up not in max foster territory we end up in mad max territory just to follow up on my comment about 2008 because it plays into later talking about environmental pressures lead to coronavirus going back to 2008 the bailout of the creditors that destroyed market signals that destroyed the ability for the market to communicate

through price signals where net effectively allocate funds in that case the would have bent toward fighting environmental pressures but that never happened hence we had to run a virus but let me ask you about the supply chain just in time globalization has left us helpless in the face of shortages of things like face masks what should be the response there steve this is a real problem of modern capitalism the last time we had this process which are spanish flu that in the end of this the end of the 1st world war back in those days their imports and their exports but you didn't have to buy in a lot of massive imports to produce what you're producing in most countries the supply chain was very sure the manufacturing system was just off to the invention of get it off the invention of the model say for that and the beginning of the production line and back in those days where you have an enormous stocks at saw the factory which we wish all use for the manufacturing so you have huge profit. now

with gone with the deming brought in the unit remarkable i different proving manufacturing quality go to the just in time system but what it means is you're incredibly bendable on precisely time deliveries but you don't hold any stocks and on top of that american capitalism since the not a nice has been taking advantage of shape the chifley in shiner of course and really cutting production to world countries so they are going to thing lobby i have a lot of fun i'm going to be off i'm an american products is made in about 30 countries most of which is china now if you can no longer transport goods because very sensible reasons same and will refuse to board ships where they're going to be stuck in confined spaces with 5000 people want to get in line and have the virus well it's time to get to the other side they're all going to have the virus some of them could deal with it is ship it out and out there on a drastic pop and crashing into the into the wall on the line because that happens

dead in that situation the supply chain breaks down completely and manufacturing concise it isn't just that china et will start manufacturing because it's corn joining us on people that will face or to the american production system and make was out be produced as well so this is a classic indication of what they're saying to late coles the fragility of modern society with design a society which was going to be working smoothly and therefore it's file system of any for jodi and we're going to see the impact of that and i don't really think there's any way around that we are going to see it right down to the supply chain steve cain thanks so much for being on the kaiser report thank you max tried to talk misses that it's a terrible topic but let's get what out and well that's going to do it for this episode of the kaiser report with me max kaiser and stacy herbert want to thank our guests dave came check out his patron at page 3 on dot com for profit steve keen homeschool yourself. get smart and so next time max kaiser stacy

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